hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 19, 2017 9:14:47 GMT -5
It's always nice to see what catholics really believe. This helps accelerate the slide into irrelevance.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 22, 2017 9:22:49 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Sept 22, 2017 11:55:10 GMT -5
Martin's article would be better without the "who's attacking me now" and if he could stick to his thesis. Ross Douthat, same. He had a column on it this week - www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/opinion/catholic-church-pope-francis.html, which was mostly about himself (Faggioli attacking me! I barely attacked him! they should invite me to debate at Villanova!). I do enjoy reading about these strange Catholic subcultures though - the young hipster trads who apparently can't get enough of the latin mass that Douthat linked to, Weird Catholic Left Twitter, etc.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 22, 2017 13:16:21 GMT -5
Martin's article would be better without the "who's attacking me now" and if he could stick to his thesis. Ross Douthat, same. He had a column on it this week - www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/opinion/catholic-church-pope-francis.html, which was mostly about himself (Faggioli attacking me! I barely attacked him! they should invite me to debate at Villanova!). I do enjoy reading about these strange Catholic subcultures though - the young hipster trads who apparently can't get enough of the latin mass that Douthat linked to, Weird Catholic Left Twitter, etc. As a non-Catholic who has degrees from Georgetown and The Catholic University of America I also find it interesting.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 22, 2017 13:40:14 GMT -5
Seems to me Fr. Martin's Post article is so strong in his denunciation of those who oppose him as to be the pot calling the kettle black. Catholics don't oppose his view we should reach out to the gay community. They/I oppose his belief we should reverence gay unions. He completely ignores this in his article.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 22, 2017 19:51:13 GMT -5
Why is it that some Catholics get all worked up over two people of the same sex having the ability to be legally married? I still think it's odd that they serve wine to children on Sundays but, just because it's wine, I don't confuse receiving Communion with the laws governing the drinking age.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 22, 2017 20:03:10 GMT -5
Why is it that some Catholics get all worked up over two people of the same sex having the ability to be legally married? Probably the same reason why it's an issue in Judaism, Islam, LDS, Orthodox and, until 10 or 15 years ago, nearly every Protestant denomination. Marriage is a function of natural law and the societal order that was required to raise a family. Now that's this has been judged passe by the contemporary culture, "almost" anything goes. (Almost, as in the "if it's consenting adults, it's OK" argument hasn't been extended to bigamy. Maybe Hollywood doesn't want to go down that road yet.)
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Sept 22, 2017 20:57:31 GMT -5
I guess that's true if we're going by the sex only for procreation interpretation of natural law. Do many people really live by that one or even agree with that in the West? It seems that that one went out the window quite a bit longer than 10 or 15 years ago which makes the argument against same sex marriage pretty weak.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 23, 2017 12:48:21 GMT -5
Why is it that some Catholics get all worked up over two people of the same sex having the ability to be legally married? I still think it's odd that they serve wine to children on Sundays but, just because it's wine, I don't confuse receiving Communion with the laws governing the drinking age. If you don't understand it, or choose not to understand it, we have little ground for discussing it. Catholics believe it is wrong. The Catechism explains why. You may disagree with it but it is there for the reading.
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Post by aristides on Sept 24, 2017 6:20:14 GMT -5
The church used to argue for slaves to submit to their masters (1 Peter 2:18) and for women to be submissive to men (Ephesians 5:22, 1 Timothy 2:12). And let's not forget a long history of "death to heretics!" and all that... In my eyes at least, the Catholic Church has a long history of changing their dogma in reaction to the times. A shift that seems to be happening with Pope Francis's recent comments on lgbtq issues, such as, "Who am I to judge" and this quote that I lifted from the National Catholic Reporter: "I will repeat the same thing I said on the first trip," Francis said today, referencing the press conference he held on a return flight from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 2013. "I will also repeat what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: that [gay people] should not be discriminated against, that they have to be respected, pastorally accompanied." "The matter is a person that has that condition [and] that has good will because they search for God," said the pontiff. "Who are we to judge them?" he asked, reframing his famous phrase from 2013 into the plural. "We must accompany well -- what the Catechism says. The Catechism is clear." (NCR, 2016, www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-christians-must-apologize-gay-people-marginalizing-them)
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 24, 2017 9:40:34 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 24, 2017 10:01:23 GMT -5
Religion of all types can't go away fast enough.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 24, 2017 19:19:07 GMT -5
Why is it that some Catholics get all worked up over two people of the same sex having the ability to be legally married? I still think it's odd that they serve wine to children on Sundays but, just because it's wine, I don't confuse receiving Communion with the laws governing the drinking age. If you don't understand it, or choose not to understand it, we have little ground for discussing it. Catholics believe it is wrong. The Catechism explains why. You may disagree with it but it is there for the reading. Ironically, in this very rare case, I don't think it's a question of "understanding" on my part.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 20, 2017 7:51:03 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Aug 14, 2018 21:22:48 GMT -5
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Post by SaxaCD on Aug 15, 2018 3:55:10 GMT -5
Personally, I do know lots of us who fill up the pews. None of us support the criminals, though. But, thanks for playing.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 15, 2018 7:15:28 GMT -5
Funny how you are perfectly happy to bash all Catholics for the actions of these criminals but seem to give to give other groups a pass for the actions of their criminals... Selective hatred?
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Aug 15, 2018 7:33:49 GMT -5
Personally, I do know lots of us who fill up the pews. None of us support the criminals, though. But, thanks for playing. If you keep showing up and making donations, you are supporting these criminals. You are just like the trump supporters who insist they aren’t racist and are disgusted by racism. Your words are meaningless and your actions say it all. If you really cared about these crimes, you’d be running away from the organization that facilitated them as quickly as possible. But, you care more about some weird mythology than you do the sexual assault of children. Odd.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 15, 2018 8:26:05 GMT -5
Agree with Elvado - 9797 has an animus against the Church, which is regrettable.
The Church isn't just those behind the altar, but those in front of it.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Aug 15, 2018 8:57:20 GMT -5
Right, and all of you, in front and behind, are more interested in protecting the institution than children which is, to put it mildly, regrettable.
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