SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 23, 2014 14:22:33 GMT -5
Well, the good news is he's definitely academically eligible for at least this semester. The bad news is the head coach doesn't have any idea what kind of shape he's in. I do find it a bit odd the staff wouldn't keep tabs on him during the summer, since he's the only player on the roster who didn't stay in DC and play Kenner. On the other hand, maybe JTIII knows more than he's saying and it's just your typical secretive and cryptic G'town basketball answers. It sounds like they have been checking in, but they haven't physically seen him.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Aug 23, 2014 15:09:42 GMT -5
Any sightings from campus?
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Aug 23, 2014 15:26:38 GMT -5
Well, the good news is he's definitely academically eligible for at least this semester. The bad news is the head coach doesn't have any idea what kind of shape he's in. I do find it a bit odd the staff wouldn't keep tabs on him during the summer, since he's the only player on the roster who didn't stay in DC and play Kenner. On the other hand, maybe JTIII knows more than he's saying and it's just your typical secretive and cryptic G'town basketball answers. Man, how I hope you are right.
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Post by Thomas on Aug 23, 2014 15:27:45 GMT -5
How often do out-of-town players leave D.C. for the entire summer and not take any summer classes?? The only guy I can think of who did that was Brandon Bowman after his freshman or sophomore year. I actually remember that someone found a website that listed the box scores of B.Bowman's summer league games in California and posted them on this site. I assume Josh Smith is very close to having enough credits to graduate(or maybe he has graduated) and didn't need to take any summer school classes, so he decided to go back home to California.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 23, 2014 16:55:44 GMT -5
How often do out-of-town players leave D.C. for the entire summer and not take any summer classes?? The only guy I can think of who did that was Brandon Bowman after his freshman or sophomore year. I actually remember that someone found a website that listed the box scores of B.Bowman's summer league games in California and posted them on this site. I assume Josh Smith is very close to having enough credits to graduate(or maybe he has graduated) and didn't need to take any summer school classes, so he decided to go back home to California. Didn't Nate work in NYC last summer?
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Post by prhoya on Aug 23, 2014 17:03:25 GMT -5
How often do out-of-town players leave D.C. for the entire summer and not take any summer classes?? The only guy I can think of who did that was Brandon Bowman after his freshman or sophomore year. I actually remember that someone found a website that listed the box scores of B.Bowman's summer league games in California and posted them on this site. I assume Josh Smith is very close to having enough credits to graduate(or maybe he has graduated) and didn't need to take any summer school classes, so he decided to go back home to California. Didn't Nate work in NYC last summer? You are correct, sir! He made 56% of his used coffee cup throws from 5 ft out from the waste basket. Not the best stroke...
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 23, 2014 17:45:59 GMT -5
How often do out-of-town players leave D.C. for the entire summer and not take any summer classes?? The only guy I can think of who did that was Brandon Bowman after his freshman or sophomore year. I actually remember that someone found a website that listed the box scores of B.Bowman's summer league games in California and posted them on this site. I assume Josh Smith is very close to having enough credits to graduate(or maybe he has graduated) and didn't need to take any summer school classes, so he decided to go back home to California. Tried to make the case weeks ago that Josh going into his fifth year in college may already be ahead in terms of graduation, regardless of last season's academic suspension. He may not have needed to take any summer classes. The same may be said for Bowen too even though he went ahead and did so anyway. In fact does anyone know if Bowen actually graduated back in May and is now taking graduate studies?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 23, 2014 17:46:14 GMT -5
Didn't Nate work in NYC last summer? You are correct, sir! He made 56% of his used coffee cup throws from 5 ft out from the waste basket. Not the best stroke... I'm surprised he shot from that far out!!
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 23, 2014 17:47:14 GMT -5
How often do out-of-town players leave D.C. for the entire summer and not take any summer classes?? The only guy I can think of who did that was Brandon Bowman after his freshman or sophomore year. I actually remember that someone found a website that listed the box scores of B.Bowman's summer league games in California and posted them on this site. I assume Josh Smith is very close to having enough credits to graduate(or maybe he has graduated) and didn't need to take any summer school classes, so he decided to go back home to California. Didn't Nate work in NYC last summer? He did but that only meant he missed one or two weeks of the KL before making his first appearance. He wasn't absent from campus for an entire summer like Josh.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 23, 2014 17:49:05 GMT -5
Well, the good news is he's definitely academically eligible for at least this semester. The bad news is the head coach doesn't have any idea what kind of shape he's in. I do find it a bit odd the staff wouldn't keep tabs on him during the summer, since he's the only player on the roster who didn't stay in DC and play Kenner. On the other hand, maybe JTIII knows more than he's saying and it's just your typical secretive and cryptic G'town basketball answers. I mean he did say "reported shape" is different than actual shape when he comes in. Sounds like they've been monitoring but short of seeing it themselves....we will see This. The staff may be cautiously optimistic based on word-of-mouth but nonetheless are waiting for in-person confirmation.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Aug 23, 2014 17:52:49 GMT -5
I guess Josh wasn't sending JT3 selfies. There's zero chance the staff didn't keep in contact and get updates on what Josh was up to.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 23, 2014 19:00:52 GMT -5
I think it's important to not jump to conclusions. Does anybody think that John Thompson III is being totally forthcoming about Josh Smith in that article? I would be very surprised if John Thompson was not involved in Smith's decision to go home this summer and if he did not stay in touch with him over the summer. Keep in mind that this is Georgetown - not a program that advertises facts about its players, especially in sensitive situations like this one.
The other incorrect assumption people have been making is that because Josh Smith went home that it automatically means he didn't work out this summer. Nobody knows that (people did the same to Lubick - just because he interned in NY didn't mean he couldn't have worked out, yet people assume he didn't when nobody here really knows). For all we know, Smith could have been in an intense boot camp type program that whipped him into shape. If so, I would not expect JT3 to advertise that to anybody.
Let's stop jumping to conclusions when we really have no idea what Josh Smith did this summer. Until he shows up on campus and people see him, we really will have no idea what type of shape he's in. And until he gets on the Court, we won't know if that translates into better performance on court.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 23, 2014 19:36:36 GMT -5
I think it's important to not jump to conclusions. Does anybody think that John Thompson III is being totally forthcoming about Josh Smith in that article? I would be very surprised if John Thompson was not involved in Smith's decision to go home this summer and if he did not stay in touch with him over the summer. Keep in mind that this is Georgetown - not a program that advertises facts about its players, especially in sensitive situations like this one. The other incorrect assumption people have been making is that because Josh Smith went home that it automatically means he didn't work out this summer. Nobody knows that (people did the same to Lubick - just because he interned in NY didn't mean he couldn't have worked out, yet people assume he didn't when nobody here really knows). For all we know, Smith could have been in an intense boot camp type program that whipped him into shape. If so, I would not expect JT3 to advertise that to anybody. Let's stop jumping to conclusions when we really have no idea what Josh Smith did this summer. Until he shows up on campus and people see him, we really will have no idea what type of shape he's in. And until he gets on the Court, we won't know if that translates into better performance on court. I may have missed a post here or there but I didn't see where people were assuming he didn't work out. I think everyone just finds it a bit odd that a guy that had fitness and academic issues last year was nowhere near campus all summer. Even with coaches and staff around him, he had those academic and fitness issues. People aren't saying he didn't work out. They're just wondering what sort of shape he is in and why he wouldn't be busting his butt all summer in the gym playing with the guys he let down last year at every opportunity. This is, after all, his last chance to impress people at this level and make his case for a future at the next level.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 23, 2014 19:45:01 GMT -5
I may have missed a post here or there but I didn't see where people were assuming he didn't work out. I think everyone just finds it a bit odd that a guy that had fitness and academic issues last year was nowhere near campus all summer. Even with coaches and staff around him, he had those academic and fitness issues. People aren't saying he didn't work out. They're just wondering what sort of shape he is in and why he wouldn't be busting his butt all summer in the gym playing with the guys he let down last year at every opportunity. This is, after all, his last chance to impress people at this level and make his case for a future at the next level. There are just a lot of baseless assumptions in this thread. A sample from the last few days: beenaround: "Wow. Interesting article. Guess I had been hoping Josh was on a strict workout regime back home, that was at least monitored by the staff." Talos: "The bad news is the head coach doesn't have any idea what kind of shape he's in. I do find it a bit odd the staff wouldn't keep tabs on him during the summer, since he's the only player on the roster who didn't stay in DC and play Kenner." Thomas: "I assume Josh Smith is very close to having enough credits to graduate(or maybe he has graduated) and didn't need to take any summer school classes, so he decided to go back home to California." The first one seems to indicate Josh wasn't on a strict workout regime that wasn't monitored by the staff. Again, it could be true, but I'm very doubtful the staff did not have regular contact with Smith over the summer, even if they haven't physically seen him. The second one assumes John Thompson III has no idea what type of shape Smith is in, and the staff was not checking on him. Again, there is no reason to think this is true. I realize JT3's recent comments in that article are vague, but JT3 rarely reveals any information to the press, so if you are going to make these assumptions from that interview, that's a mistake. Lastly, we have no idea why Josh Smith was in California. I have a feeling academics were not the reason. If Josh needed to work on academics, what better place than Georgetown? I think it's more likely he was in California to (a) be with his family, (b) work out in a more structured environment away from outside influences, or (c) to participate in some sort of camp to improve his fitness. The point is we have no idea why he was there. It's fine to speculate (after all this is a message board), but we really have no idea.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 23, 2014 19:55:54 GMT -5
I may have missed a post here or there but I didn't see where people were assuming he didn't work out. I think everyone just finds it a bit odd that a guy that had fitness and academic issues last year was nowhere near campus all summer. Even with coaches and staff around him, he had those academic and fitness issues. People aren't saying he didn't work out. They're just wondering what sort of shape he is in and why he wouldn't be busting his butt all summer in the gym playing with the guys he let down last year at every opportunity. This is, after all, his last chance to impress people at this level and make his case for a future at the next level. There are just a lot of baseless assumptions in this thread. A sample from the last few days: beenaround: "Wow. Interesting article. Guess I had been hoping Josh was on a strict workout regime back home, that was at least monitored by the staff." Talos: "The bad news is the head coach doesn't have any idea what kind of shape he's in. I do find it a bit odd the staff wouldn't keep tabs on him during the summer, since he's the only player on the roster who didn't stay in DC and play Kenner." Thomas: "I assume Josh Smith is very close to having enough credits to graduate(or maybe he has graduated) and didn't need to take any summer school classes, so he decided to go back home to California." The first one seems to indicate Josh wasn't on a strict workout regime that wasn't monitored by the staff. Again, it could be true, but I'm very doubtful the staff did not have regular contact with Smith over the summer, even if they haven't physically seen him. The second one assumes John Thompson III has no idea what type of shape Smith is in, and the staff was not checking on him. Again, there is no reason to think this is true. I realize JT3's recent comments in that article are vague, but JT3 rarely reveals any information to the press, so if you are going to make these assumptions from that interview, that's a mistake. Lastly, we have no idea why Josh Smith was in California. I have a feeling academics were not the reason. If Josh needed to work on academics, what better place than Georgetown? I think it's more likely he was in California to (a) be with his family, (b) work out in a more structured environment away from outside influences, or (c) to participate in some sort of camp to improve his fitness. The point is we have no idea why he was there. It's fine to speculate (after all this is a message board), but we really have no idea. I agree that we have no idea but the only real crazy assumption there in my mind is that the staff hasn't been in contact and isn't monitoring him. That's still pretty different than the assumption that he hasn't been working out. I do find it odd that he wasn't back early for at least part of Kenner but I don't know why he wasn't. I don't much care that he wasn't outside of the message it could send to his teammates. But I don't know if they care either. He's an adult and it's on him to do what he needs to do. In the exit interview, I'm quite certain the staff offered their opinions as to what they thought those things were. It is (and always will be) up to Joshua to do those things. If he doesn't do them, or if he does, he'll have to live with the consequences and results either way. I think we're all just curious. And, being that it's Georgetown, we won't ever get an answer so if he shows up in shape, there will be speculation about how and why and his reasons for going home. And if he shows up not so ready to go, it'll be stuff about the staff not doing the right thing and not keeping a better eye on him and yada yada. I'm not happy that summer is ending but I really have no use for October anyway. Can we skip it this year?
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Post by IDenj on Aug 23, 2014 20:41:27 GMT -5
Guess we will find out how committed he was when he shows up.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 23, 2014 21:01:03 GMT -5
Guess we will find out how committed he was when he shows up. Dead on. Much more succinct.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Aug 23, 2014 21:20:21 GMT -5
Where are all of the sleuths that hang around this board? Can't someone track him down and get a pic?
PS--pm me when it happens. Good night! I am going to bed.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 23, 2014 21:59:38 GMT -5
Please no stalker photos of Joshua. That's just really weird and intrusive. As JT3 said, it's not so much a number on a scale and more what kind of game shape he's in. None of us will know that until we see him play.
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Post by Thomas on Aug 23, 2014 23:33:56 GMT -5
How often do out-of-town players leave D.C. for the entire summer and not take any summer classes?? The only guy I can think of who did that was Brandon Bowman after his freshman or sophomore year. I actually remember that someone found a website that listed the box scores of B.Bowman's summer league games in California and posted them on this site. I assume Josh Smith is very close to having enough credits to graduate(or maybe he has graduated) and didn't need to take any summer school classes, so he decided to go back home to California. Tried to make the case weeks ago that Josh going into his fifth year in college may already be ahead in terms of graduation, regardless of last season's academic suspension. He may not have needed to take any summer classes. The same may be said for Bowen too even though he went ahead and did so anyway. In fact does anyone know if Bowen actually graduated back in May and is now taking graduate studies? Yeah, I asked that question because Josh is in a unique situation being that he is entering his 5th year of college and may not need to take any summer classes. Also, I assumed that the coaching staff made it mandatory that the entire team stay for both summer sessions because it always seemed as if the entire team was at Georgetown for the Kenner League, unless a player had an internship like Nate Lubick or was selected to play in international competition or a camp for the top college players(Sweetney, Hibbert??). Maybe it's always been voluntary and the out-of-town players just wanted to stay at Georgetown. Aren't classes starting(or at least students coming back) sometime this week?? We should get our answers about Josh Smith soon like some of you indicated. He's got to be the only college athlete who doesn't have a twitter account. HA!
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