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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 30, 2014 20:50:14 GMT -5
I'm surprised nobody else has raised this. Some Ravens fans really should be ashamed of themselves. Is a standing O for wife beaters the new standard these days?
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Post by flyoverhoya on Sept 8, 2014 13:35:10 GMT -5
Apparently just got cut.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 8, 2014 20:34:01 GMT -5
You should see the punch!
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 8, 2014 20:52:49 GMT -5
Quite honestly, I'm a little confused here. Isn't it a bit late for the Ravens to be attempting a CYA? What did this new tape reveal that wann't already known? Didn't we already know that Rice dragged his fiance unconscious from the elevator? Did they think that she suffered from some sort of soft skull syndrome, and that he had just flicked his finger at her head and she collapsed in a heap?
Come on all you Ravens fans, let's all get together now and boo the team for cutting your hero!
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 8, 2014 23:16:56 GMT -5
Man, Dilfer and Berman have got to be the worst. In addition to the fact that Berman sounds like a drunk, he and Dilfer actually praised the Ravens' and the NFL's response to Rice going all Mayweather on his lady. I know they get paid to defend the shield, but they sounded like fools.
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Post by This Just In on Sept 11, 2014 9:28:18 GMT -5
I believe that if the NFL knows what is good for itself then going further they should let the punishment be dealt out by the criminal justice system and stay out of it. The uneven handedness of the punishments is appalling. You have people that have killed people getting 10 games. killing dogs getting 6 gms or more, smoking weed getting a year, and apparently knocking your wife out can get you indefinite while other players have been found guilty of domestic violence (i.e Greg Hardy who chocked and then threatened to kill his then GF on more than one occassion) in the judicial system and are still playing. You cannot please everyone and once you open Pandora's Box and try to deal out punishment for issues that you do not understand you are opening yourself to tons of criticism.
This whole situation will cost Roger Goodell his job.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 12, 2014 13:08:53 GMT -5
Tweet of the week from James Harrison:
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 12, 2014 13:39:57 GMT -5
Goodell deserves the heat. The NFL has played this 100% wrong from Day 1. He screwed Sean Payton. Let's see him apply the same standard to himself.
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Post by Boz on Sept 12, 2014 13:59:51 GMT -5
Tweet of the week from James Harrison: Hmmmm, if you were also once charged with assault and domestic abuse, and similarly escaped criminal punishment through an anger management program, and received NO punishment from the NFL or your team, maybe you might want to shut up and put your megaphone down. EDIT: Not saying Goodell doesn't deserve heat, just that Harrison might not be the best spokesman here.
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Post by jgalt on Sept 16, 2014 20:09:28 GMT -5
I believe that if the NFL knows what is good for itself then going further they should let the punishment be dealt out by the criminal justice system and stay out of it. The uneven handedness of the punishments is appalling. You have people that have killed people getting 10 games. killing dogs getting 6 gms or more, smoking weed getting a year, and apparently knocking your wife out can get you indefinite while other players have been found guilty of domestic violence (i.e Greg Hardy who chocked and then threatened to kill his then GF on more than one occassion) in the judicial system and are still playing. You cannot please everyone and once you open Pandora's Box and try to deal out punishment for issues that you do not understand you are opening yourself to tons of criticism. This whole situation will cost Roger Goodell his job. As you say "have been found guilty of domestic violence in the judicial system and are still playing", so why is the justice system any better than the NFL handing out equally uneven punishments? The NFL's punishments are moral, not legal. They reflect the ethics of the league. Has the NFL shown good moral judgement? Hell no, but that is easy to change (and I hope the public out cry from this will change things). Ray Rice got out of the Criminal justice system by entering a deferment program, that his celebrity stature surely helped him get into. How is that better than what the NFL did? I would argue its worse!
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 19, 2014 19:02:03 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Sept 19, 2014 22:29:40 GMT -5
I don't really follow football but it's hard to miss the inconsistency in the treatment of those brought up on charges in the NFL. From a casual observer's perspective, it seems Goodell is remarkably consistent in seeming not to give a rip about off-field actions and similarly remarkably inconsistent in terms of punishments. What's so different about this case other than the video footage? My uninformed impression is that he has made the owners a boatload of money and that the owners, in all likelihood, wouldn't want to see that disappear. As such, is his job really in jeopardy is it just a juicy story for all of the sports media outlets? The owners seemingly don't really care about the actions of players off the field either unless it drastically hurts attendance or ad revenue. But aren't the advertisers much more dependent on the NFL than the NFL is on them? Granted, they try to spin it like there's outrage but I don't think anyone believes that. I even saw an article somewhere about NFL wives talking about how they understand why his wife stayed and that it's hurting their family as a result of the negative press and lost income. I know that if I hit my wife (if I had one), I'd be arrested and charged and would lose my job. Before being charged, I don't really understand a suspension. I agree with the poster(s) that said that the legal system should handle it. The posturing is fake and annoying and doesn't address any real issue. Between the apathy and the powerlessness of the advertisers, what reason is there to fire Goodell? Do the owners really want to play the fake morality card and risk reaping the financial rewards that Goodell has provided as commissioner? The NFL is huge business and Goodell helps with that. The NFL is horrendous at morality. Why are they trying to play the role model after the fact? Isn't that the same league that has been screwing the older vets over for years with regard to health benefits? It really is disgusting. Which is not to say that the NFL is the only league that has those elements. Only that the NFL, as far as I can tell, is the worst in that regard. Even though they have the ability to be an example of professionalism and can afford to take care of the men that gave so much to make the NFL what it is now, they choose not to at, seemingly, every turn. It's detestable. And, again, I don't even really follow football. For those of you that do, does any of this really upset you or is it more just sort of par for the course and a business is business sort of thing?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 20, 2014 19:02:59 GMT -5
The Ravens, especially their owner, look as bad, if not worse, than the league in this mess.
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Post by This Just In on Sept 23, 2014 9:51:24 GMT -5
I believe that if the NFL knows what is good for itself then going further they should let the punishment be dealt out by the criminal justice system and stay out of it. The uneven handedness of the punishments is appalling. You have people that have killed people getting 10 games. killing dogs getting 6 gms or more, smoking weed getting a year, and apparently knocking your wife out can get you indefinite while other players have been found guilty of domestic violence (i.e Greg Hardy who chocked and then threatened to kill his then GF on more than one occassion) in the judicial system and are still playing. You cannot please everyone and once you open Pandora's Box and try to deal out punishment for issues that you do not understand you are opening yourself to tons of criticism. This whole situation will cost Roger Goodell his job. As you say "have been found guilty of domestic violence in the judicial system and are still playing", so why is the justice system any better than the NFL handing out equally uneven punishments? The NFL's punishments are moral, not legal. They reflect the ethics of the league. Has the NFL shown good moral judgement? Hell no, but that is easy to change (and I hope the public out cry from this will change things). Ray Rice got out of the Criminal justice system by entering a deferment program, that his celebrity stature surely helped him get into. How is that better than what the NFL did? I would argue its worse! In Ray Rice's case, CNN, Fox and ESPN have unjustifiably proclaimed "Celebrity Jusitce", but this is untrue. For first time offenders of domestic violence in this county of NJ, and especially in cases where the gf or spouse refuses to testify against the defendant, an offender is given the Diversion Program. For these news organizations to proclaim "Celebrity Justice" as if this is not the norm of the legal system in Atlantic City, NJ is lazy journalism.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 23, 2014 10:42:15 GMT -5
As you say "have been found guilty of domestic violence in the judicial system and are still playing", so why is the justice system any better than the NFL handing out equally uneven punishments? The NFL's punishments are moral, not legal. They reflect the ethics of the league. Has the NFL shown good moral judgement? Hell no, but that is easy to change (and I hope the public out cry from this will change things). Ray Rice got out of the Criminal justice system by entering a deferment program, that his celebrity stature surely helped him get into. How is that better than what the NFL did? I would argue its worse! In Ray Rice's case, CNN, Fox and ESPN have unjustifiably proclaimed "Celebrity Jusitce", but this is untrue. For first time offenders of domestic violence in this county of NJ, and especially in cases where the gf or spouse refuses to testify against the defendant, an offender is given the Diversion Program. For these news organizations to proclaim "Celebrity Justice" as if this is not the norm of the legal system in Atlantic City, NJ is lazy journalism. Actually, that pretrial intervention program in New Jersey is for first-time offenders charged with nonviolent crimes. Rice was charged with felony aggravated assault in the third degree. According to that ESPN article linked above, less than one percent of all assault and aggravated assault cases in New Jersey are resolved by pretrial intervention.
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Post by This Just In on Sept 23, 2014 15:44:25 GMT -5
In Ray Rice's case, CNN, Fox and ESPN have unjustifiably proclaimed "Celebrity Jusitce", but this is untrue. For first time offenders of domestic violence in this county of NJ, and especially in cases where the gf or spouse refuses to testify against the defendant, an offender is given the Diversion Program. For these news organizations to proclaim "Celebrity Justice" as if this is not the norm of the legal system in Atlantic City, NJ is lazy journalism. Actually, that pretrial intervention program in New Jersey is for first-time offenders charged with nonviolent crimes. Rice was charged with felony aggravated assault in the third degree. According to that ESPN article linked above, less than one percent of all assault and aggravated assault cases in New Jersey are resolved by pretrial intervention. I got some numbers from a USA Today article about the Ray Rice situation: Only 70 of the more than 15,000 domestic violence assault cases adjudicated from 2010 to 2013 in New Jersey's Superior Court were admitted into the pretrial intervention program, according to records obtained by The Associated Press. The program, known as PTI, allows suspects to avoid incarceration and keep their records clean if they meet agreed-upon requirements.Excerpt continued below: More than half of the 15,000 total domestic violence cases were dismissed or referred to lower-level municipal courts. Rice's case started out in municipal court, but county prosecutors later took over the case. Rice pleaded not guilty, and prosecutors signed off on his request to be placed into the PTI program, which is available only in state Superior Court.
Cases are often downgraded or dismissed when accusers do not want to go ahead with charges, said Sandy Clark, associate director of the New Jersey Coalition for Battered Women. That is the case with Janay Rice, who married Ray Rice a day after a grand jury indicted him.
Rice's case appears to have been handled more harshly, in fact, because of his fame, said New Jersey defense attorney James Leonard Jr. and John C. Lore III, a professor at Rutgers School of Law in Camden. Two other defense attorneys said that Rice's celebrity could have played a role in the case getting more legal attention.
Leonard said that the case should have remained in a municipal court — where it stood a better chance of being thrown out altogether.
"It's irresponsible for people to suggest that the courts and the prosecutors turn a blind eye," he said. "Those cases are reviewed very, very thoroughly." Of the 15,029 people charged with assault in domestic violence cases from 2010 to 2013, 8,203 had their cases dismissed or downgraded to a lower court, according to the data provided by the state judiciary. Nearly 3,100 pleaded guilty, 13 were found guilty at trial and nine were found not guilty.
Of the 15,029 people charged with assault in domestic violence cases from 2010 to 2013, 8,203 had their cases dismissed or downgraded to a lower court, according to the data provided by the state judiciary. Nearly 3,100 pleaded guilty, 13 were found guilty at trial and nine were found not guilty.
(The data were first reported last week by ESPN. They do not break down the charges by level of offense, so it is not clear how other cases charged as third-degree crimes were handled.)
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 24, 2014 9:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Sept 24, 2014 11:59:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure it has anything to do with Ray Rice, but who the hell came up with that analogy?
You get some bad beef in a stew and keep eating? Who does that?
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Post by Elvado on Sept 24, 2014 12:15:34 GMT -5
Maybe we should ask Magic...
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