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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Sept 19, 2014 13:51:04 GMT -5
I finally got around to watching this...JESUS. YES PLEASE. Looks like he could have a 7'10" wingspan too. Honestly, with this kid's size, if he has 1 decent year in CBB the NBA is going to come knocking on potential alone. I'm also quoting this video so all of you can see it. He actually had some moves too by the end of it, not just dunking from 2ft away and pulling down entire baskets. I remember reading that his wingspan is 8' plus.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 19, 2014 13:52:08 GMT -5
Given that Fall seems like he has a lot of developing to do, you would think Georgetown would be a great fit for him. While we say the same about people like Ivan Rabb, the truth is that Rabb is likely so talented that no matter where he goes, he will do well and probably get into the NBA draft (and picked relatively high). But for guys like Fall, having the support staff to work with you and develop you seems like it would be crucially important.
That's not to say other programs could not do that, but I would think this is one circumstance where we might truly stand out from the crowd.
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Post by dreamhoya on Sept 19, 2014 13:53:28 GMT -5
True, but consider these variables: does he struggle up and down the floor? No. Is he a total liability? Not on offense at least. Can he pass? Yes. Not there, but decent. Is he stiff? No. Can he move his feet? Yes. Can he shoot a short jumper? I've see video where he has.
So, you take him on that and work on him. BUT i agree, I wouldn't be crazy excited, but i'd recruit him.
There was a video that showed him blocking a few shots. He'll be like Manut (R.I.P.) in that regard.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Sept 19, 2014 14:21:41 GMT -5
He's worth the scholarship in my opinion. If we grab both Crawford and Dozier to finish out the year the back court will be stacked with ball handlers that should prevent our big's from getting into foul trouble.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Sept 19, 2014 14:23:54 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 19, 2014 14:25:10 GMT -5
Too many people evaluate high school players on what they can't do. You should evaluate players on what they can do just as much, if not more. Weaknesses can be improved upon and hidden, especially things like "strength" and "conditioning."
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Post by prhoya on Sept 19, 2014 14:51:31 GMT -5
Given that Fall seems like he has a lot of developing to do, you would think Georgetown would be a great fit for him. While we say the same about people like Ivan Rabb, the truth is that Rabb is likely so talented that no matter where he goes, he will do well and probably get into the NBA draft (and picked relatively high). But for guys like Fall, having the support staff to work with you and develop you seems like it would be crucially important. That's not to say other programs could not do that, but I would think this is one circumstance where we might truly stand out from the crowd. Given our BigMan alums who come back to train/play in the off-season, it's the best situation for a big to develop and learn the ropes. Plus, we have a developing seven -footer in Hayes and they'll both benefit from the practice against each other. You take him without expecting a contribution right away.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 19, 2014 14:55:21 GMT -5
How much would you pay to see him as a Hoya do that vs. Syracuse?!
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Post by TC on Sept 19, 2014 15:11:45 GMT -5
Too many people evaluate high school players on what they can't do. You should evaluate players on what they can do just as much, if not more. Weaknesses can be improved upon and hidden, especially things like "strength" and "conditioning." Okay - what exactly can he do, other than dunk close to the basket?
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 19, 2014 15:18:57 GMT -5
Too many people evaluate high school players on what they can't do. You should evaluate players on what they can do just as much, if not more. Weaknesses can be improved upon and hidden, especially things like "strength" and "conditioning." Okay - what exactly can he do, other than dunk close to the basket? Move from not close to the basket to close to the basket
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Post by prhoya on Sept 19, 2014 16:19:59 GMT -5
Too many people evaluate high school players on what they can't do. You should evaluate players on what they can do just as much, if not more. Weaknesses can be improved upon and hidden, especially things like "strength" and "conditioning." Okay - what exactly can he do, other than dunk close to the basket? Block shots with his armpits...
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Post by TC on Sept 19, 2014 16:52:31 GMT -5
Okay - what exactly can he do, other than dunk close to the basket? Block shots with his armpits... I looked at his statistics from last year - 1 block per game. For a 7'5" player, that's troubling. www.maxpreps.com/athlete/tacko-fall/QXRdTSIaEeOZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/basketball-stats.htmIt'd be one thing if this kid were Shawn Bradley. He's not - he's a project that maybe sees time his Sophomore or Junior year. He does not belong in the same sentence as Rabb or Noah.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 19, 2014 16:58:42 GMT -5
If what lucky said was true, he averaged between 6-2 minutes over the summer. It was on a stacked team but 1 block per 6 min is pretty good. He is definitely a project in a class that already has Govan but could had Rabb or Skal. Like everyone has said, you can't teach height and 7'6" is a WHOLE LOT of height.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 19, 2014 17:14:20 GMT -5
I think those stats are from his high school season, not summer or club bball. The question is how many lay-ups were 5'7" guards or 6'4" PFs attempting against him. He's going to scare players from penetrating just from his size. It's like his assists, I bet his coach instructed him to shoot once he got the ball, no passing. Everyone else on the floor is one foot shorter than him. From the highlights, he moves well for such a big kid, keeps the ball high and knows how to dunk(!!!). It's a good starting point for an interesting project and I believe GU will be his best bet to develop. Anyway, since I haven't watched him play (and I'm guessing TC that you haven't), let's TTS.
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 19, 2014 17:53:25 GMT -5
I usually try to avoid speaking negatively about a recruit in his thread, but I have to say that I'm pretty iffy on Tacko too. Our fans are always quick to see Roy in anybody we recruit that's 7' or bigger, but it's important to remember that Roy is very much the exception. For every Roy Hibbert there are several Jakub Kusmieruk, Jordan Omogbehim, John Riek, Sim and Tanveer Bhular, Blaise Mgarbora, John Manning, etc. types, who have careers ranging from decent to completely inconsequential at the college level. We're always quick to say "This guy moves even better than Roy at the same age..." and extrapolate out that that must mean he'll be as good as Roy when all is said and done. But it just doesn't usually work that way. Roy was kind of a special case and while we want to see the next #55 in all of these recruits that come on the radar, most times it doesn't pan out. Guys who are this big always just seem kind of gimmicky to me. They gum up the works on offense because they barely have anything in their arsenal outside of 2 feet from the rim, so you typically end up playing 4-5 on that end. Is it worth it for the defensive benefits? Hard to say, but there's more to being a good defensive player than just being tall. I'd love a rim protector as much as anyone else but I'm envisioning someone more in the Alonzo Morning mold, rather than just an enormous body to plant near the rim and hope for the best. Tacko, to me, looks like a guy who opposing players will want to climb the ladder and dunk on so they can get on sportscenter, rather than somebody who will intimidate guys to keep them out of the paint. You see a lot of mid majors take gambles on guys like this. Again it's kind of a gimmick, with some reasonable upside. Throw him out there in the middle of a 2-3 zone, hope you get some luck on offense and that things click for him. But for a high major program, there are usually better options. It reminds me a little of pro wrestling and throwing a novelty act like Giant Gonzales out there. It's cool for a minute, then you realize the guy stinks and you're ready for something else. Neat little attraction for companies wrestling at carnivals and in high school gyms, but not so good for the big leagues. Just because a guy is the same height or bigger doesn't mean he's the next Andre the Giant
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Post by FLHoya on Sept 19, 2014 18:08:50 GMT -5
It reminds me a little of pro wrestling and throwing a novelty act like Giant Gonzales out there. It's cool for a minute, then you realize the guy stinks and you're ready for something else. Neat little attraction for companies wrestling at carnivals and in high school gyms, but not so good for the big leagues. Just because a guy is the same height or bigger doesn't mean he's the next Andre the Giant I mean, Giant Gonzalez got drafted. #eventhehawks Didn't pan out, which is too bad because a Pac Man logo body suit would've been clutch.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Sept 19, 2014 18:39:06 GMT -5
I hear all your concerns and once felt the same way, but if the staff happens to be right on this one then I'll support their decision to the utmost. In short he could be ours to lose given the fact that he's looking more so into the quality of education rather than just trying to get to the NBA. Sounds a bit like Mutombo when JTII recruited him back in the day, if my memory is correct Mutombo originally wanted to be a doctor.
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Post by beenaround on Sept 19, 2014 18:43:09 GMT -5
Someone compared him to Manute Bol. If so...I take him in a heartbeat.
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