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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 14:14:11 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Jul 14, 2014 14:40:09 GMT -5
I really want a player of this type in the 15 class.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 14, 2014 14:43:53 GMT -5
Do we need another Wing in the '15 class? I guess someone to replace Bowen
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 17:28:45 GMT -5
From Oladipo Camp this past weekend TyLawson VO5 AAcamp @tylawvo5aacamp Jul 10 UNC defeats Georgetown 108-103. Jalen Poyser finished with 25pts 4rebs. Chris Clarke 20pts 6rebs Rob Harrington Rob_Harrington Jul 10 Chris Clarke has been monster at camp so far. Having a huge game just now. #lawsonoladipo Josh Stirn @josh_Stirn Jul 9 Chris Clarke is the leading rebounder after Day 1 of the @tylawvo5aacamp. In other news, the sky is still blue. TyLawson VO5 AAcamp @tylawvo5aacamp Jul 9 Chris Clarke finished with 16pts 10rebs 3asts. Alex Owens with 13pts 9rebs 3asts Josh Stirn @josh_Stirn Jul 9 Team "UNC"'s trio of Chris Clarke, Ahmad Wagner and Alex Owens can control the boards. Energy level not wavering for those three. DevonTe Brooks @dbrookssbn Jul 9 Chris Clarke has been attacking and been creating his own shot. Just had a beautiful move to finish around the rim DevonTe Brooks @dbrookssbn Jul 9 2015 Chris Clarke has been battling on the boards so far on both offense and defense At Camp he mentioned he would like to visit Gtown after the Live Period ... |
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Post by dense on Jul 14, 2014 18:30:58 GMT -5
Nice I really like the 2 vids of this kid. He is very aggressive and doesn't back down for anyone. I really like even though it was called a foul, he almost blocked Tako Falls dunk attempt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 11:34:31 GMT -5
Corey Pegram @coreypegram 31m
Chris Clarke. 22 points on 8-11 shooting (2-2 from 3, 4-7 free throws), 9 rebounds, 7 assists. Anyone could use that dude. #PeachJam
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Post by Talos on Jul 20, 2014 15:30:32 GMT -5
Watched Clarke today on ESPN, and reminds me a lot of Peak. He's very athletic, aggressive, physical, and drives hard to the basket any chance he gets. On the other hand, his handle isn't as good as Peak's and neither is his outside shot. He played most of the game as an undersized 4, but should be a 3 at the next level. I think Clarke would excel on a team that runs every chance they get, and presses on D. On the surface, doesn't seem a fit for JTIII's system...
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 20, 2014 16:25:25 GMT -5
If you think a player is raw but still pretty good, does a lot of the needed all-around things that lead to success, has tremendous athleticism and upside and is killing it in national competition but then worry that he isn't right for a certain "system" then perhaps it is the system that is at fault and needs to be done away with. Great coaches adapt to the players they have and come up with plans to best take advantage of such players rather than have them totally conform to the style of play the coach is most used to. That's my take at least. Some folks don't think Peak is a great fit for III's system either. I pray III is a smarter man than those folks who doubt him because if he has Peak play the same style of ball that some of his previous wings did then, well, he will be wasting a terrific resource.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jul 20, 2014 16:30:35 GMT -5
Watched Clarke today on ESPN, and reminds me a lot of Peak. He's very athletic, aggressive, physical, and drives hard to the basket any chance he gets. On the other hand, his handle isn't as good as Peak's and neither is his outside shot. He played most of the game as an undersized 4, but should be a 3 at the next level. I think Clarke would excel on a team that runs every chance they get, and presses on D. On the surface, doesn't seem a fit for JTIII's system... to be fair, I think JTIII's system is predicated on personnel. Put him on a team with LJ, Tre, etc. - JTIII will run. on a side note, would love to have this guy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 17:27:45 GMT -5
If you think a player is raw but still pretty good, does a lot of the needed all-around things that lead to success, has tremendous athleticism and upside and is killing it in national competition but then worry that he isn't right for a certain "system" then perhaps it is the system that is at fault and needs to be done away with. Great coaches adapt to the players they have and come up with plans to best take advantage of such players rather than have them totally conform to the style of play the coach is most used to. That's my take at least. Some folks don't think Peak is a great fit for III's system either. I pray III is a smarter man than those folks who doubt him because if he has Peak play the same style of ball that some of his previous wings did then, well, he will be wasting a terrific resource. Ok but what about the "Triangle”? You hear all the time about this player being a good fit for the triangle and this player not. Also seems like the Spurs have a particular type of player they target. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 20, 2014 18:10:23 GMT -5
If you think a player is raw but still pretty good, does a lot of the needed all-around things that lead to success, has tremendous athleticism and upside and is killing it in national competition but then worry that he isn't right for a certain "system" then perhaps it is the system that is at fault and needs to be done away with. Great coaches adapt to the players they have and come up with plans to best take advantage of such players rather than have them totally conform to the style of play the coach is most used to. That's my take at least. Some folks don't think Peak is a great fit for III's system either. I pray III is a smarter man than those folks who doubt him because if he has Peak play the same style of ball that some of his previous wings did then, well, he will be wasting a terrific resource. Ok but what about the "Triangle”? You hear all the time about this player being a good fit for the triangle and this player not. Also seems like the Spurs have a particular type of player they target. The so-called "Triangle" was adjusted for each team, sometimes to the chagrin of Tex Winters. The triangle used for the Bulls was tweaked a lot for the ones used for the Lakers which had a dominant big man in Shaq that the Bulls lacked. Besides as much as Phil loved to cling to the triangle it has been reported by those who covered the Bulls that there were plenty of times in which the players seemed to toss it out the window when MJ didn't think it was working. As for the Spurs their play over the last decade or so may just prove why Popvich is the best coach in the game He ADAPTS to talent, adapts to age, adapts to other teams. One sure way to get him to adapt is when his team has early exits in the post season. Anyway just look at his teams. About a decade ago his Spurs were a boring but fantastic defensive squad that played at a slow pace and typically wasn't that high scoring. It used that style to beat the Pistons in arguably the most unwatchable seven game NBA championship series in history. A few years later that team won another championship against the Cavs by playing that same style. But then the Spurs started going down earlier than expected in the playoffs. And Tim Duncan looked as if he was no longer a guaranteed 24 and 12 whenever the Spurs needed it. No problem. Popovich tweaked the team and turned it into a run-and-gun squad even though Duncan kept getting older. So even with that same core of Duncan, Parker and Ginobli, Pops changed the style of play in a way that would both take advantage of new pieces added as well as cover up some of the weaknesses of the big three core while simultaneously emphasizing their strengths. The Spurs of the last three or four seasons have been a fat pace squad who put on some of the most beautiful displays of passing that I have witnessed in a long time. |
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Post by dense on Jul 20, 2014 18:28:27 GMT -5
The Spurs now basically play a Euro style of baaketball.
To keep it Clarke related I really love this kids game and want him badly for us.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 20, 2014 21:56:23 GMT -5
If you think a player is raw but still pretty good, does a lot of the needed all-around things that lead to success, has tremendous athleticism and upside and is killing it in national competition but then worry that he isn't right for a certain "system" then perhaps it is the system that is at fault and needs to be done away with. Great coaches adapt to the players they have and come up with plans to best take advantage of such players rather than have them totally conform to the style of play the coach is most used to. That's my take at least. Some folks don't think Peak is a great fit for III's system either. I pray III is a smarter man than those folks who doubt him because if he has Peak play the same style of ball that some of his previous wings did then, well, he will be wasting a terrific resource. Ok but what about the "Triangle”? You hear all the time about this player being a good fit for the triangle and this player not. Also seems like the Spurs have a particular type of player they target. Dude, putting together teams that make sense together just wins titles. Don't you know the point of basketball is to run up and down the court and run and jump a lot? Jeez. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 20, 2014 22:27:16 GMT -5
Ok but what about the "Triangle”? You hear all the time about this player being a good fit for the triangle and this player not. Also seems like the Spurs have a particular type of player they target. Dude, putting together teams that make sense together just wins titles. Don't you know the point of basketball is to run up and down the court and run and jump a lot? Jeez. Yeah, I'm sure you were watching countless NBA basketball during that period and thus very capable of having an intelligent discussion on the topic of the triangle.  By the way the Triangle didn't keep anyone from running up and down the court. Certainly the first three-peat Bulls team was deadly on the break and all the coaches wanted to take advantage of that factor. Instead the Triangle dictated what the teams should do in the halfcourt. The Triangle wanted to put severe limits on one-on-one play and individual improvisation. At times it worked wonderfully for the Bulls and MJ played along. But at times MJ and others on the team decided to ditch the scheme and go one-on-one when they felt they had to. But the point is during Jackson and Winters' run with the Bulls and Lakers they brought in various types of guys, other than the stars, to fill their rosters. Even though they wanted players to adhere to the Triangle you never came across them saying they wanted only certain type of players. They didn't limit themselves to the kind of ballers they would bring in to fit their system and yet there are Hoya fans who keep making the argument that III should limit his options in that way. So it wasn't as if I was bashing III and his system (which you love to defend at a moment's notice). Rather I was defending the idea of III pursuing Clarke which apparently he is doing. That's being a "smart" coach. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 20, 2014 22:36:57 GMT -5
I actually did watch plenty of NBA basketball in the 90s and continue to do so now. I know you like to paint yourself as the only NBA expert alive, but you're not.
Smart teams mold their systems to their talent, but they also find players willing to work within their system. It's a two way street.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 0:51:02 GMT -5
Ok but what about the "Triangle”? You hear all the time about this player being a good fit for the triangle and this player not. Also seems like the Spurs have a particular type of player they target. The so-called "Triangle" was adjusted for each team, sometimes to the chagrin of Tex Winters. The triangle used for the Bulls was tweaked a lot for the ones used for the Lakers which had a dominant big man in Shaq that the Bulls lacked. Besides as much as Phil loved to cling to the triangle it has been reported by those who covered the Bulls that there were plenty of times in which the players seemed to toss it out the window when MJ didn't think it was working. As for the Spurs their play over the last decade or so may just prove why Popvich is the best coach in the game He ADAPTS to talent, adapts to age, adapts to other teams. One sure way to get him to adapt is when his team has early exits in the post season. Anyway just look at his teams. About a decade ago his Spurs were a boring but fantastic defensive squad that played at a slow pace and typically wasn't that high scoring. It used that style to beat the Pistons in arguably the most unwatchable seven game NBA championship series in history. A few years later that team won another championship against the Cavs by playing that same style. But then the Spurs started going down earlier than expected in the playoffs. And Tim Duncan looked as if he was no longer a guaranteed 24 and 12 whenever the Spurs needed it. No problem. Popovich tweaked the team and turned it into a run-and-gun squad even though Duncan kept getting older. So even with that same core of Duncan, Parker and Ginobli, Pops changed the style of play in a way that would both take advantage of new pieces added as well as cover up some of the weaknesses of the big three core while simultaneously emphasizing their strengths. The Spurs of the last three or four seasons have been a fat pace squad who put on some of the most beautiful displays of passing that I have witnessed in a long time. That’s true but an athletic big man with limited ball skills would be considered a “Bad Fit for the triangle” Or for instance a small PG also not a good fit. I get what you are saying though. I do think 3 adjusts for where his strengths lie however.. |
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Post by Talos on Jul 21, 2014 8:03:14 GMT -5
At the very least, it will be interesting to see how JTIII handles the 4 good athletes we have coming in the 2014 class. We did press occasionally last year, so hopefully with better athletes he'll press and run a little more. I'm not so sure it was JTIII's system that has prevented him from running and pressing more; I think he can be flexible depending on his personnel. I think the reason he hasn't done it much is the players he's had, and the lack of athleticism. You can't really run and press with Smith, Cameron, Lubick, DSR on the floor. But we certainly can with our 2014 class.
As for the 2015 class, we probably will take at least 3 more guys so it remains to be seen. I really like Govan and Derrickson, and I liked Dickerson. However, none are great athletes who can run and press. Perhaps, we'll go with 2 lineups depending on the game situations: one that is long/athletic and will run and press, then bring in another lineup for maximizing the big, skilled half-court players.
As for Clarke, I like him and think he would be a good addition. Hopefully, the staff would be able to teach him the skills to go with his athletic upside and high motor.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jul 21, 2014 8:11:15 GMT -5
At the very least, it will be interesting to see how JTIII handles the 4 good athletes we have coming in the 2014 class. We did press occasionally last year, so hopefully with better athletes he'll press and run a little more. I'm not so sure it was JTIII's system that has prevented him from running and pressing more; I think he can be flexible depending on his personnel. I think the reason he hasn't done it much is the players he's had, and the lack of athleticism. You can't really run and press with Smith, Cameron, Lubick, DSR on the floor. But we certainly can with our 2014 class. As for the 2015 class, we probably will take at least 3 more guys so it remains to be seen. I really like Govan and Derrickson, and I liked Dickerson. However, none are great athletes who can run and press. Perhaps, we'll go with 2 lineups depending on the game situations: one that is long/athletic and will run and press, then bring in another lineup for maximizing the big, skilled half-court players. As for Clarke, I like him and think he would be a good addition. Hopefully, the staff would be able to teach him the skills to go with his athletic upside and high motor. I'll say this, the principles changed when Smith became ineligible and lubick and jabril got injured. jtiii is not a good coach if he doesn't utilize talent the way it expresses itself; i think he does... i just think that his base system does get in the way at times. sometimes, it's the players not knowing what to do at certain times when defenses adjust to what they do best. then they fall into the princeton principles which at times seems plodding. but anyway, i think this team will run more, iso more. i've never gotten the sense that JTiii urges his players to slow it down - unless the team has derailed in a game.... |
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 21, 2014 8:29:38 GMT -5
Jt3 has plans to utilize a full court press a lot this year. It's especially nice to have Bowen back this year for this reason alone.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jul 21, 2014 8:43:38 GMT -5
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