tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jul 21, 2014 19:54:56 GMT -5
And speaking of Mr. Peak what does it say about Hoya fandom that there is very little buzz or online activity/discussion regarding what Peak is doing? Maybe we've all finally matured and have learned to temper our expectations? Oh, and I fully expect LJ to average 30 and 10.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 22, 2014 8:16:44 GMT -5
Dont know about all of this just know HE IS VERY VERY VERY good.. I havent seen anyone as dominant in kenner since AI remember him? just saying we will see.. it IS kenner but wooowwowowowowowowowoowowooww go hoyas
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 22, 2014 10:18:44 GMT -5
I am not worried about the Freshman class being able to contribute in games. The key is keeping them academically engaged, so that they remain eligible each season. Whittington and Smith have killed us.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 22, 2014 10:43:46 GMT -5
I am not worried about the Freshman class being able to contribute in games. The key is keeping them academically engaged, so that they remain eligible each season. Whittington and Smith have killed us. I do not see that as a large-scale problem with the program, but rather a problem with a few players.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 22, 2014 13:23:55 GMT -5
Yeah I think it's just the lack of people being able to attend. I used to go every year, but now I'm in Philly and with a busy summer I won't be able to see any Kenner League this year. FLHoya not doing his recaps obviously hurts discussion on this site. When I used to do recaps there was like six or more other guys regularly going to KL games and posting info that were longer than the maximum characters allowed by one tweet. I guess what I'm saying was that HT alone didn't just rely on one or two people to provide extensive details. We had a bunch more and the activity of the KL threads seemed to be greater too. And my posting started during the Esh era for God's sakes when our big newcomers were the likes of DJ Owens and Harvey Thomas. And a couple of years later during the early days of Hoya Report we were getting sizable writeups and posts of KL action from that site while the HT Kenner League breakdowns were still going strong. Even when I stopped doing them and new guys like FLHoya came on the scene you still had multiple folks taking the time to fill in on all the details to better give us readers a sense of how the games played out and who stood out. Now even with three or four Hoya sites out there the amount of posting has died down considerably. Just an observation on my part, not a complaint. After all it isn't as if folks who attend KL are getting paid to do reports for those of us unable to attend. Although some of the info and opinions of the guy doing that seem a bit off at times (why take the time and space in a KL report to claim that a top 40 recruit like Jessie Govan won't be good enough to start for the Hoyas his freshman season even though we have about 16 months before the kid suits up for the Hoyas?), I do appreciate his taking the time to provide his insight. Still this is something the Casual Hoya site has been doing on the regular for a few years. The difference is the number of responses and comments to those writeups keep decreasing. Apparently during the off-season at Casual responses are only going to be large in quantity if the subject is documenting your lunch or which soccer team will win the cup. I suppose you're right. Enthusiasm has been on the wane for awhile now.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 22, 2014 13:29:14 GMT -5
Honestly, no clue. Maybe it's the lack of an abundance of recaps? Maybe our re-cappers are being too responsible in their praise? Nothing in this Kenner League has made me think this class is going to be anything but amazing, and I'm relying entirely on what's just been written and relayed. But what questions did we really have, coming in? There were really no questions about Isaac Copeland and Paul White that needed to be answered -- it's only a question of whether they would be further along than expected. Both have hit my expectations from reports -- neither dominating but still showing the skills that will make them Hoya stars sooner rather than later. For Peak, there were two possible questions: was he just tearing up weak competition in South Carolina; and will his up and down game there truly translate to the college game, and the college game specifically at Georgetown. I'm confident that neither is a real issue, but the latter would never be answered definitely at Kenner anyway. But yeah, it's clear that it wasn't the weak South Carolina competition. Kenner ain't the best defense, but he's playing at the college level, and sometimes up to pros. These are at minimum his peers and sometimes grown men with years of experience on him. No one is accidentally dropping 37. He belongs -- and while that doesn't mean he's winning a scoring title right out, the idea that he's not going to be a contributor freshman year should be gone from people's heads. Period. I also think the reports have been clear enough that he's not just scoring on cherry-picking and weak defensive plays. His shot is streaky, but he's creating in the half-court as well as creating points on the break. People should be excited. Not sure why they aren't. And the Tre(y)s! I had almost reserved in my mind that Campbell would be less of a freshman contributor than Markel was (who was not good as a frosh; passable, but not a positive). He's playing a much larger role in Kenner than I expected, and while people are giving the huge caveats here, I actually think his Kenner performance seems like he's further ahead than his tape, high school play and ranking might have hinted. We're thin at PG -- I get that Kenner lends itself to his game, that he's a streaky shooter and has made some bad decisions... but again, it seems like he can play. Same with Trey. I thought Mourning was a good sign, but many folks didn't think he could play D-I. Doesn't everyone feel a little better now? Sure, he's obviously not starting as a freshman, etc., but we've had our share of complete project big men in Kenner who didn't show what Mourning showed in his first few games. I too share your confidence in this freshman class and all I've read about them this summer merely confirms my view of what they can bring to the team. And like you I'm pleasantly surprised in what I'm reading regarding Tre Campbel. He was the recruit I was least excited about, even less then Mourning, but he appears to be doing quite well for himself this summer.
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sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Jul 22, 2014 13:37:47 GMT -5
I am an infrequent poster, but went to Kenner this past weekend, as I have for the past 10 years or so.
I definitely agree that LJ Peak is not necessarily getting the buzz I would expect. His athleticism blew me away, particularly his quick and explosive elevation. He can score in every way imaginable - he is a flat out scoring machine. I was most surprised about his shot - he got hot and was knocking down deep 3s like it was nothing. Couldn't be more excited about this guy.
The great thing is I also loved what I saw from Copeland, Campbell, and White. Campbell in particular surprised me relative to rankings/expectations. Copeland is another long, athletic stud, and White is a very cerebral player who is perfect for our offense. I think they all should be in the rotation immediately. I also saw nice flashes from Mourning, but athletically he still has a ways to go I think.
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sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Jul 22, 2014 13:50:51 GMT -5
Also, if JT3 doesn't press with these guys he's crazy.....I would have a lineup with Bowen at the top of the press, Trawick and Peak just behind them, and Copeland and Hopkins behind. That team would wreck havoc and get after people. And we'd have more highlight reel dunks than Florida Gulf Coast. Then when the other team gets a little frazzled I would bring in Campbell to chase everyone around.
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 22, 2014 13:59:38 GMT -5
Also, if JT3 doesn't press with these guys he's crazy.....I would have a lineup with Bowen at the top of the press, Trawick and Peak just behind them, and Copeland and Hopkins behind. That team would wreck havoc and get after people. And we'd have more highlight reel dunks than Florida Gulf Coast. Then when the other team gets a little frazzled I would bring in Campbell to chase everyone around. And heck, every once in awhile you could put in our leading scorer from last year, just to mix things up.
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sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Jul 22, 2014 14:01:11 GMT -5
I mean DSR may get the most minutes on the team and rightly so - I was referring to the optimal pressing lineup.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 22, 2014 14:04:40 GMT -5
I guess you don't have a place for DSR.
Until proven otherwise not sure we have any real depth in the backcourt and possibly even less at the 5. I would love to see more pressure but just don't see it given the depth situation. Please let the freshman play i don't want to see too much of red shirt seniors unless necessary.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 22, 2014 14:04:46 GMT -5
I mean DSR may get the most minutes on the team and rightly so - I was referring to the optimal pressing lineup. Haha, I figured as much. His absence just loomed so large that I couldn't resist making a comment.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jul 22, 2014 14:07:46 GMT -5
Does his absence loom larger than Smith's? <ducks>
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 22, 2014 14:17:15 GMT -5
Also, if JT3 doesn't press with these guys he's crazy.....I would have a lineup with Bowen at the top of the press, Trawick and Peak just behind them, and Copeland and Hopkins behind. That team would wreck havoc and get after people. And we'd have more highlight reel dunks than Florida Gulf Coast. Then when the other team gets a little frazzled I would bring in Campbell to chase everyone around. DSR and Smith(conditioning?)will log heavy minutes this yr, so I'm not sure those lineups wont see more than spot time on the court. They do appear to have the potential to see time as a pressing rotation, I agree.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 22, 2014 17:20:08 GMT -5
Yeah I think it's just the lack of people being able to attend. I used to go every year, but now I'm in Philly and with a busy summer I won't be able to see any Kenner League this year. FLHoya not doing his recaps obviously hurts discussion on this site. When I used to do recaps there was like six or more other guys regularly going to KL games and posting info that were longer than the maximum characters allowed by one tweet. I guess what I'm saying was that HT alone didn't just rely on one or two people to provide extensive details. We had a bunch more and the activity of the KL threads seemed to be greater too. And my posting started during the Esh era for God's sakes when our big newcomers were the likes of DJ Owens and Harvey Thomas. And a couple of years later during the early days of Hoya Report we were getting sizable writeups and posts of KL action from that site while the HT Kenner League breakdowns were still going strong. Even when I stopped doing them and new guys like FLHoya came on the scene you still had multiple folks taking the time to fill in on all the details to better give us readers a sense of how the games played out and who stood out. Now even with three or four Hoya sites out there the amount of posting has died down considerably. Just an observation on my part, not a complaint. After all it isn't as if folks who attend KL are getting paid to do reports for those of us unable to attend. Although some of the info and opinions of the guy doing that seem a bit off at times (why take the time and space in a KL report to claim that a top 40 recruit like Jessie Govan won't be good enough to start for the Hoyas his freshman season even though we have about 16 months before the kid suits up for the Hoyas?), I do appreciate his taking the time to provide his insight. Still this is something the Casual Hoya site has been doing on the regular for a few years. The difference is the number of responses and comments to those writeups keep decreasing. Apparently during the off-season at Casual responses are only going to be large in quantity if the subject is documenting your lunch or which soccer team will win the cup. I suppose you're right. Enthusiasm has been on the wane for awhile now. I agree with most all of this
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 22, 2014 17:23:34 GMT -5
I guess you don't have a place for DSR. Until proven otherwise not sure we have any real depth in the backcourt and possibly even less at the 5. I would love to see more pressure but just don't see it given the depth situation. Please let the freshman play i don't want to see too much of red shirt seniors unless necessary. DSR, Campell, Trawick, Peak, and one of White/Copeland/Bowen can all potentially see minutes in the backcourt.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 22, 2014 19:38:53 GMT -5
Also, if JT3 doesn't press with these guys he's crazy.....I would have a lineup with Bowen at the top of the press, Trawick and Peak just behind them, and Copeland and Hopkins behind. That team would wreck havoc and get after people. And we'd have more highlight reel dunks than Florida Gulf Coast. Then when the other team gets a little frazzled I would bring in Campbell to chase everyone around. ...and insert White for Hopkins in the press when Hopkins gets into foul trouble after the 16:00 mark of the 1st half...
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Post by Hoya Rich on Jul 22, 2014 20:10:13 GMT -5
This freshman class really does have the potential to be one of our best in a very long time. Be interesting to look back in 2-3 years and see how they performed as a whole. I'm certainly encouraged by everything I've read.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 22, 2014 20:58:01 GMT -5
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Post by dreamhoya on Jul 23, 2014 11:30:34 GMT -5
I am an infrequent poster, but went to Kenner this past weekend, as I have for the past 10 years or so. I definitely agree that LJ Peak is not necessarily getting the buzz I would expect. His athleticism blew me away, particularly his quick and explosive elevation. He can score in every way imaginable - he is a flat out scoring machine. I was most surprised about his shot - he got hot and was knocking down deep 3s like it was nothing. Couldn't be more excited about this guy. The great thing is I also loved what I saw from Copeland, Campbell, and White. Campbell in particular surprised me relative to rankings/expectations. Copeland is another long, athletic stud, and White is a very cerebral player who is perfect for our offense. I think they all should be in the rotation immediately. I also saw nice flashes from Mourning, but athletically he still has a ways to go I think. Thanks. Yeah, Peak can shoot; as mentioned elsewhere, i don't think he's streaky based on the fact that his FG%s were usually pretty good in school. heck, last year DSR was streaky. Maybe streaky at 3pt line, but guy can play.
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