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Post by hoyaloya on May 20, 2014 11:31:45 GMT -5
Very funny movie co-produced by pro-life Patricia Heaton and generally savaged by the critics.
The site RottenTomatoes reported only 14% of critics liked the movie as opposed to 87% of the public. That says it all – the incredible disconnect between the agenda-driven mass media and us.
What a pity that the public does not have an easy way to see that that the mass media’s version of what is happening politically in our country is also agenda driven and not the truth.
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Post by TC on May 20, 2014 12:18:04 GMT -5
Is this a joke?
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Post by Boz on May 20, 2014 12:36:57 GMT -5
While I kind of agree, TC, in that I don't look to movies in any way shape or form for any type of guidance or reflection of "what America is," you kind of have to admit, some of the criticism of this movie has been pretty ridiculous.
Calling it "borderline dangerous," and "worthy of damnation" are just a couple. Go online and you can find more.
I have no plans to see this movie. Because Godzilla. And X-Men. And, well, anything else that's big and blowuppy.*
But, seriously? It's a harmless family comedy. Soon to be forgotten, I am sure. I certainly wouldn't make a very big case about it, like loya. I certainly wouldn't start a whole new thread about it. But in this case, I kind of think it's the overreaction by critics that's been the joke.
(*Actually, I probably won't go see these either. Just steal them online. That's right, MPAA, who is in league with the NSA. I said it! Do your worst!)
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Post by TC on May 20, 2014 13:01:30 GMT -5
While I kind of agree, TC, in that I don't look to movies in any way shape or form for any type of guidance or reflection of "what America is," you kind of have to admit, some of the criticism of this movie has been pretty ridiculous. Calling it "borderline dangerous," and "worthy of damnation" are just a couple. Go online and you can find more. My mind just exploded. I've never heard of this movie before this post, but after your post Boz, I googled it and checked Drudge - this is really a flashpoint of conservative outrage - that a possibly poorly written comedy is subject to some snarky and/or feminist reviews? And yes, X-Men. And I'm in on Guardians of the Galaxy too.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 20, 2014 13:30:27 GMT -5
I have no comment on the movie or the reviews because I will never see it. But I think it's a bit disingenuous to pretend that the "public" rating on this movie is somewhat representative of society at large, especially now that the disparity here is a "thing" out there about it.
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Post by TC on May 20, 2014 13:40:53 GMT -5
If we're going to go politically crazy about a movie, how about at least make it fun?
Which 2016 Presidential Candidates would support a Sentinel Project?
Are unmanned drones a precursor to a Sentinel Project?
Is X-Men : Days of Future Past a liberal movie which attacks President Nixon's and Reagan's well intentioned defense efforts, or is it a libertarian movie which shows the slippery slope of the defense-industrial complex and erosions of civil liberties?
Is Magneto a conservative?
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Post by Boz on May 20, 2014 13:55:32 GMT -5
Which 2016 Presidential Candidates would support a Sentinel Project? All of them except Rand Paul.
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Post by TBird41 on May 20, 2014 14:39:22 GMT -5
If we're going to go politically crazy about a movie, how about at least make it fun? Which 2016 Presidential Candidates would support a Sentinel Project? Are unmanned drones a precursor to a Sentinel Project? Is X-Men : Days of Future Past a liberal movie which attacks President Nixon's and Reagan's well intentioned defense efforts, or is it a libertarian movie which shows the slippery slope of the defense-industrial complex and erosions of civil liberties? Is Magneto a conservative? I am Groot
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 20, 2014 15:20:48 GMT -5
Very funny movie co-produced by pro-life Patricia Heaton and generally savaged by the critics. The site RottenTomatoes reported only 14% of critics liked the movie as opposed to 87% of the public. That says it all – the incredible disconnect between the agenda-driven mass media and us. What a pity that the public does not have an easy way to see that that the mass media’s version of what is happening politically in our country is also agenda driven and not the truth. You take this paranoia thing too seriously. I suggest you leave it at Hoya basketball.
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Post by tashoya on May 20, 2014 19:57:18 GMT -5
Um... not sure what to say other than that from the reviews on RT, it doesn't sound like a media issue. It sounds like a movie sucking issue. For the record, the issue most viewers seem to have is with the writing, not the production. Not sure anyone gives much of a thought to co-producers. What was Ms. Heaton's role as a co-producer anyway? Those credits can be insanely easy to get (ask Vince McMahon). Sounds like her time would have better been spent in the writing room.
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Post by TC on May 21, 2014 0:01:15 GMT -5
I am disappointed! Is Superman a serial killer gets three pages and the greatest comics story of all time (sit down Watchmen, you were overrated) gets two posts?
For shame, Hoyatalk, for shame.
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Post by Boz on May 21, 2014 8:03:50 GMT -5
Uhhh, I believe the correct phrase on the Interwebs is "I am disappoint." Der!
As for me, well, at the risk of having to turn in my nerd card, I don't know a whole lot about Guardians. It was never one I collected or followed very much.
I will almost certainly go see (or at least steal) the movie, because Marvel is on a roll right now and they really haven't done anything bad in a long time. At least not in the theaters (we can have a lengthy discussion about the missed opportunity that was Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. at another time, but at least the show redeemed itself a fair bit in the post-Winter Soldier episodes).
But I am not an expert on any of the characters and don't know their story lines all that well. Actually, I think it might be kind of refreshing to go in to an MCU movie with such a blank slate. Probably the only time that will happen. At least until Marvel finally bows to the Internet and decides to make Luke Cage.
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Post by TBird41 on May 21, 2014 9:36:26 GMT -5
Uhhh, I believe the correct phrase on the Interwebs is "I am disappoint." Der! As for me, well, at the risk of having to turn in my nerd card, I don't know a whole lot about Guardians. It was never one I collected or followed very much. I will almost certainly go see (or at least steal) the movie, because Marvel is on a roll right now and they really haven't done anything bad in a long time. At least not in the theaters (we can have a lengthy discussion about the missed opportunity that was Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. at another time, but at least the show redeemed itself a fair bit in the post-Winter Soldier episodes). But I am not an expert on any of the characters and don't know their story lines all that well. Actually, I think it might be kind of refreshing to go in to an MCU movie with such a blank slate. Probably the only time that will happen. At least until Marvel finally bows to the Internet and decides to make Luke Cage. I'm in the same boat, re: knowledge of Guardians. That being said, Chris Pratt + a talking raccoon voiced by a Hoya + what looks to be an awesome sci-fi universe has me really excited for it, not necessarily as a Marvel movie, but as an awesome Sci-fi movie. The Marvel piece makes me think its going to be really good, but then again, so do the trailers. The Marvel tie in is almost secondary--I'd want to see this movie if it wasn't a Marvel movie.
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Post by Boz on May 21, 2014 17:50:25 GMT -5
In the interest of keeping thread going, can we please discuss the two opposing trajectories that DC (or at least Warner Pictures) and Marvel (or at least Marvel Pictures, and maybe, maybe Fox...certainly not Sony) are taking for their cinematic future?
Now that Christopher Nolan is gone, does anyone have ANY confidence in the future of DC-based films?
(And forget about Bat-fleck for a moment; he'll actually probably be OK. But Jessie Eisenberg as Lex Luthor? What, Michael Cera wasn't available?)
I mean David Goyer has been a big part of comic book movies in the past. I get that. And he worked with Nolan a lot. But he is now basically openly scornful and disdainful of all comic book characters as well as their fans. And they are putting pretty much their whole future in his hands.
I was always a much bigger Marvel fan anyway, so it doesn't really bother me. But it does kind of suck to have nothing promising coming up from the other side. Not even Sandman, if that ever happens.
Feel free to disagree and/or discuss....
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Post by flyoverhoya on May 21, 2014 17:57:55 GMT -5
But if you do, please rename the thread.
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Post by TBird41 on May 21, 2014 21:43:59 GMT -5
In the interest of keeping thread going, can we please discuss the two opposing trajectories that DC (or at least Warner Pictures) and Marvel (or at least Marvel Pictures, and maybe, maybe Fox...certainly not Sony) are taking for their cinematic future? Now that Christopher Nolan is gone, does anyone have ANY confidence in the future of DC-based films? (And forget about Bat-fleck for a moment; he'll actually probably be OK. But Jessie Eisenberg as Lex Luthor? What, Michael Cera wasn't available?) I mean David Goyer has been a big part of comic book movies in the past. I get that. And he worked with Nolan a lot. But he is now basically openly scornful and disdainful of all comic book characters as well as their fans. And they are putting pretty much their whole future in his hands. I was always a much bigger Marvel fan anyway, so it doesn't really bother me. But it does kind of suck to have nothing promising coming up from the other side. Not even Sandman, if that ever happens. Feel free to disagree and/or discuss.... I have no confidence in the DC movies being any good. I don't think Warner gets any of the characters, are just going to attempt to make them all feel like they were in the Dark Knight /are gritty like Batman. Man of Steel was a weird movie, in that it ignored a lot of what is important about Superman--a useful contrast is how Marvel has handled Captain America, a character with a very similar moral code / All-American vibe.
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Post by TC on May 22, 2014 19:09:05 GMT -5
Other than Arrow and maybe The Flash, I have no confidence in the ability of DC to do anything right either, but then again, I was never a fan of anything DC. I do like Arrow though - I feel like they did a pretty good job with that, much better than Marvel has done with Agents of SHIELD.
Agents of SHIELD - I want to love it. I try week after week. On paper it should be a great show and really exciting. And it isn't. I don't even mind it being a walking advertisement for the movies, I just want them to do something interesting with it and also maybe do some cool Marvel villains. Boz is right, it picked up a little bit towards the end, but it still has a long way to go.
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Post by hoyaloya on May 24, 2014 10:30:53 GMT -5
Thanks to all who viewed the message. And thanks to those who went to the movie. Hope you enjoyed it. [BTW, Patricia Heaton is a vocal pro life advocate and supporter of pregnancy help centers – a courageous position for one in her industry.]
In response to the replies rejecting the premise as paranoia, Brent Bozell’s organization website and the Catholic League’s monthly newsletter do a good job of documenting countless instances of the agenda driven bias.
To cite but a few memorable examples:
when gas rose to $2.50 a gallon, not a day went by without repeated newscasts tying it to Bush & promoting the adverse impact on his election chances. Fast forward to gas going to $3.50 & then $4+ a gallon & nary a word tying it Obama;
despite their breaking the law, the lionization of the Occupy Protesters as heroes as contrasted with the demonization of law abiding abortion clinic protesters as terrorists;
the View’s cold and harsh treatment of Anne Romney as contrasted with its warm and fuzzy “questioning” of Michele Obama in 2012 [you can probably still find that on youtube];
if you are sports fans, the scorn heaped on Tim Tebow over his outspoken evangelical Christianity as contrasted with the recent reverence of Michael Sam’s outspoken homosexuality. Here’s another example of fact suppression to support an agenda. I submitted a letter to the editor on the subject of abortion on demand, describing the partial birth abortion procedure. I received a call from one of the editors that my letter would be printed only if I omitted the description. He did not contend that it was inaccurate but that it was “inappropriate for a family newspaper.” Yet that family newspaper had no difficulty editorializing its support for abortion on demand, and no problem with keeping from its readers just what abortion involved.
The facts are there for those willing to look.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 24, 2014 10:48:02 GMT -5
when gas rose to $2.50 a gallon, not a day went by without repeated newscasts tying it to Bush & promoting the adverse impact on his election chances. Fast forward to gas going to $3.50 & then $4+ a gallon & nary a word tying it Obama; Say what? I stopped reading after this turd of B.S. Sorry I wasted 20 seconds of my life getting to that line.
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Post by TC on May 24, 2014 14:22:37 GMT -5
Days of Future Past was really, really good. I was surprised at what an incredible job they did at keeping a post-apocalyptic movie light hearted.
There was a lot of guff on the internets after the Quicksilver pictures came out, but he ended up being one of the best parts of the movie.
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