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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 10:28:35 GMT -5
At least Otto doesn’t play for the Clippers…
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 26, 2014 12:37:13 GMT -5
At least Otto doesn’t play for the Clippers… Sterling needs to be suspended for at least a yr., a la Marge Schott. |
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Post by tashoya on Apr 26, 2014 19:54:09 GMT -5
At least Otto doesn’t play for the Clippers… Speechless. |
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 27, 2014 2:26:41 GMT -5
At least Otto doesn’t play for the Clippers… Speechless. this guy has been known to be a jackass since years ago, openly discriminating against minorities. what makes me sad is that it's not some ignorant teenager saying these stuffs, but an old man who thinks money can justify everything. i can only hope he gets beat up by his security guards who also happen to be minorities  |
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 28, 2014 8:43:21 GMT -5
Sterling should be banned permanently from the NBA.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 29, 2014 4:50:55 GMT -5
Kareem hit the nail right on the head with regard to Sterling. The righteous indignation here is as disgusting as Sterling's words. When he got sued for fair housing violations and had to pay millions for excluding minorities from his properties nobody said a word. The joke that is the local NAACP was ready to give this guy his second lifetime achievement award for God's sake.
But wait. His idiotic words get aired on tabloid TV so now he has to go. He insulted Magic Johnson so now we get to take away his property.
This is just another form over substance public flogging designed to make people feel good about themselves.
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Post by Boz on Apr 29, 2014 9:15:50 GMT -5
Kareem hit the nail right on the head with regard to Sterling. The righteous indignation here is as disgusting as Sterling's words. When he got sued for fair housing violations and had to pay millions for excluding minorities from his properties nobody said a word. The joke that is the local NAACP was ready to give this guy his second lifetime achievement award for God's sake. But wait. His idiotic words get aired on tabloid TV so now he has to go. He insulted Magic Johnson so now we get to take away his property. This is just another form over substance public flogging designed to make people feel good about themselves. I am not going to begrudge anyone's justified anger or offense at the vileness that is Donald Sterling, certainly not the players themselves, but yeah, Kareem made some pretty good points and there are a LOT of people and organizations with egg (or worse) all over their faces on this one. And that includes David Stern, the NAACP, and many members of the sports media who rarely, if ever, showed any indignation prior to this episode (though, granted, there were some who've been on him, and the league, for years). And, of course, we can't forget the professional bilge snipe in the political media who were all rushing to claim that Sterling is a supporter of the OTHER party. (In fairness, I think the Republicans started it, but its equally vile -- not to mention irrelevant -- on both sides). I would expect a Steinbrenner-like punishment to come forth. Not sure if much more than that is possible (or legal). |
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Post by flyoverhoya on Apr 29, 2014 13:42:46 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 29, 2014 14:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by Buckets on Apr 29, 2014 15:19:17 GMT -5
Kareem hit the nail right on the head with regard to Sterling. The righteous indignation here is as disgusting as Sterling's words. When he got sued for fair housing violations and had to pay millions for excluding minorities from his properties nobody said a word. The joke that is the local NAACP was ready to give this guy his second lifetime achievement award for God's sake. But wait. His idiotic words get aired on tabloid TV so now he has to go. He insulted Magic Johnson so now we get to take away his property. This is just another form over substance public flogging designed to make people feel good about themselves. I am not going to begrudge anyone's justified anger or offense at the vileness that is Donald Sterling, certainly not the players themselves, but yeah, Kareem made some pretty good points and there are a LOT of people and organizations with egg (or worse) all over their faces on this one. And that includes David Stern, the NAACP, and many members of the sports media who rarely, if ever, showed any indignation prior to this episode (though, granted, there were some who've been on him, and the league, for years). And, of course, we can't forget the professional bilge snipe in the political media who were all rushing to claim that Sterling is a supporter of the OTHER party. (In fairness, I think the Republicans started it, but its equally vile -- not to mention irrelevant -- on both sides). I would expect a Steinbrenner-like punishment to come forth. Not sure if much more than that is possible (or legal). Now I'm just really curious what exactly is in this NBA constitution. Based on what's being reported, this Paragraph 13 that Silver expects Sterling to qualify under is not even close to applicable (IMO). If Sterling wants to be a dickhead (note: he is), he's going to fight this and I don't see how any reasonable interpretation of Paragraph 13 applies. Nothing in his NBA business conduct has been unreasonable on unethical. He's unreasonable and unethical in his dealings as a discriminative slumlord and keeping a mistress, but not in his NBA dealings as far as I know. You'd think that if just three-fourths was good enough for the US Constitution it could have been good enough for the NBA without any further conditions, but alas, hindsight is 20/20. |
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Post by Elvado on Apr 29, 2014 15:30:59 GMT -5
As loathsome as Sterling's comments are, the punishment of speech is nothing to cheer |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 29, 2014 15:54:09 GMT -5
For a racist rant...?
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Post by azarin on Apr 29, 2014 16:06:48 GMT -5
As loathsome as Sterling's comments are, the punishment of speech is nothing to cheer I'm just going to leave this right here: www.xkcd.com/1357/The First Amendment protects you from the government censoring you, not from the consequences of your speech. I don't think we have a right to have others tolerate our hateful behavior, and it would seem a positive thing that the NBA agrees there's no place for racism. |
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Post by calhoya on Apr 29, 2014 16:09:25 GMT -5
Hypocrisy remains a constant in sports. Now it is the NBA bringing the "hammer" down on a closet racist because his angry mistress secretly taped his conversations and revealed his bigotry to the unknowing world. What is wrong with this picture? For one, it is apparent that we live in a tabloid society now and what you think or do is less critical than how you act in public. Image is most important and a good public relations campaign can mask even the most incredible bigotry and stupidity. Not certain what is more alarming-- the fact that this highly successful businessman believed that he had a "relationship" with someone more than 4 decades his junior or the fact that the NBA was shocked to discover that Sterling was a racist.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 29, 2014 16:17:35 GMT -5
My problem with all of this is so many of the great crusaders of the NBA did nothing while Sterling acted badly but felt compelled to jump in with both feet when he spoke offensively.
I support neither his speech nor his housing practices but I defy anyone to tell me the former is worse than the latter which was not only ignored but somehow did not prevent the LA chapter of the NAACP from teeing up a second lifetime achievement award for this cretin.
One other point. I never invoked any First Amendment protection for this bigot, only my concern when we react more to speech than action.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 29, 2014 16:23:02 GMT -5
As loathsome as Sterling's comments are, the punishment of speech is nothing to cheer I'm just going to leave this right here: www.xkcd.com/1357/The First Amendment protects you from the government censoring you, not from the consequences of your speech. I don't think we have a right to have others tolerate our hateful behavior, and it would seem a positive thing that the NBA agrees there's no place for racism. You can understand the First Amendment and still be a little uncomfortable with people getting punished for unpopular speech, even if it is constitutional to do so. However, I think this was clearly not just about Sterling's rants--that was just the straw the broke the camel's back (or the excuse the owners needed). Combined with the housing discrimination suit, the Elgin Baylor lawsuit and, I'm sure, other owners' experiences with him / reports on him, it was time to get rid of Sterling (acknowledging the fact that they should have done so earlier). If he had otherwise had a clean slate, I suspect he would not have been forced to sell his team. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 29, 2014 16:32:43 GMT -5
As loathsome as Sterling's comments are, the punishment of speech is nothing to cheer Rather than the punishment of speech, I believe the actions taken say that not only is racist speech not okay, but that standing silently aside while racism happens isn't okay either. It was a private conversation. Too bad for Sterling that it got out. He deserves what he's getting, though. |
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Post by Elvado on Apr 29, 2014 16:57:13 GMT -5
I have no issue with the actions taken against this bigot. But why did the NBA not act when he was breaking the law as regards Fair Housing?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 29, 2014 17:08:47 GMT -5
Great question. I hope we get an answer.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 29, 2014 18:34:38 GMT -5
I have no issue with the actions taken against this bigot. But why did the NBA not act when he was breaking the law as regards Fair Housing? $$$$$$ Sterling bought off potential detractors then. Could not do so now. We learned much about the NAACP in all of this. |
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