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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 23, 2014 11:09:33 GMT -5
he should go to the winner- THE CARDINAL, not the golden cub bears At this point I suspect that his priority is the place where he will have the best chance to play significant minutes in a major conference. Cal may fit that bill.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 23, 2014 12:29:56 GMT -5
he should go to the winner- THE CARDINAL, not the golden cub bears At this point I suspect that his priority is the place where he will have the best chance to play significant minutes in a major conference. Cal may fit that bill. So would Cal Poly who made the dance this year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 23, 2014 16:32:02 GMT -5
At this point I suspect that his priority is the place where he will have the best chance to play significant minutes in a major conference. Cal may fit that bill. So would Cal Poly who made the dance this year. I must have missed Cal Poly joining a major conference - this realignment stuff is so hard to keep up with!
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 24, 2014 4:33:14 GMT -5
So would Cal Poly who made the dance this year. I must have missed Cal Poly joining a major conference - this realignment stuff is so hard to keep up with! -Some people don't consider the new Big East as a Major conference, just a good Mid Major. I thought you understood that. Therefore it would ne a lateral move.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 24, 2014 11:07:15 GMT -5
Trying to equate the Big West with the Big East in its current form is a joke. So no one would consider it a lateral move. But then you knew that.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 24, 2014 12:58:55 GMT -5
Trying to equate the Big West with the Big East in its current form is a joke. So no one would consider it a lateral move. But then you knew that. I wouldn't be too sure about what sky does and doesn't know.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 25, 2014 14:26:56 GMT -5
I still have connections at Stanford, even though it has been 12 years since I taught there. Frazier, are you seeing and hearing challenged,? the new Big East0 has fallen on it's own sword. ESPN is trying hard to ruin the brand, FS1 can get enough eyeballs on this league. How many SWEET 16 wins were there this years for the BE?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 25, 2014 14:44:58 GMT -5
I still have connections at Stanford, even though it has been 12 years since I taught there. Frazier, are you seeing and hearing challenged,? the new Big East0 has fallen on it's own sword. ESPN is trying hard to ruin the brand, FS1 can get enough eyeballs on this league. How many SWEET 16 wins were there this years for the BE? Ah, where to start. We all recognize that the current Big East is less than the original Big East, and lost some huge schools. We all recognize that FS1 is significantly less than ESPN. Hopefully the conference and FS1 can grow together, and both will strengthen their brands to be more competitive with the "big boys". But if you will actually read my original post on this issue, I never identified the Big East as a "major" conference. I said that Domingo may very well want to go somewhere he can get minutes in a major conference, which might be more likely at Cal than Stanford - both in a major conference, but Cal clearly the lesser program, therefore more likely to have minutes available. It was your typically snarky (or maybe intellectually challenged?)comment that Cal Poly would be a lateral move from Georgetown to which I then responded. I can assure you that at this point, any real basketball analyst would acknowledge that the Big East is closer to a "major" conference than the Big West is to the Big East.
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Post by Filo on Apr 25, 2014 16:13:15 GMT -5
I still have connections at Stanford, even though it has been 12 years since I taught there. Frazier, are you seeing and hearing challenged,? the new Big East0 has fallen on it's own sword. ESPN is trying hard to ruin the brand, FS1 can get enough eyeballs on this league. How many SWEET 16 wins were there this years for the BE? Ah, where to start. We all recognize that the current Big East is less than the original Big East, and lost some huge schools. We all recognize that FS1 is significantly less than ESPN. Hopefully the conference and FS1 can grow together, and both will strengthen their brands to be more competitive with the "big boys". But if you will actually read my original post on this issue, I never identified the Big East as a "major" conference. I said that Domingo may very well want to go somewhere he can get minutes in a major conference, which might be more likely at Cal than Stanford - both in a major conference, but Cal clearly the lesser program, therefore more likely to have minutes available. It was your typically snarky (or maybe intellectually challenged?)comment that Cal Poly would be a lateral move from Georgetown to which I then responded. I can assure you that at this point, any real basketball analyst would acknowledge that the Big East is closer to a "major" conference than the Big West is to the Big East. When are you going to learn? Ignore is your friend. Almost like being on a mood elevating drug when checking out Hoyatalk. And if you people stop responding then my ignore attempts will be bulletproof!!
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Post by hoyabinx on Apr 25, 2014 16:19:42 GMT -5
Ah, where to start. We all recognize that the current Big East is less than the original Big East, and lost some huge schools. We all recognize that FS1 is significantly less than ESPN. Hopefully the conference and FS1 can grow together, and both will strengthen their brands to be more competitive with the "big boys". But if you will actually read my original post on this issue, I never identified the Big East as a "major" conference. I said that Domingo may very well want to go somewhere he can get minutes in a major conference, which might be more likely at Cal than Stanford - both in a major conference, but Cal clearly the lesser program, therefore more likely to have minutes available. It was your typically snarky (or maybe intellectually challenged?)comment that Cal Poly would be a lateral move from Georgetown to which I then responded. I can assure you that at this point, any real basketball analyst would acknowledge that the Big East is closer to a "major" conference than the Big West is to the Big East. When are you going to learn? Ignore is your friend. Almost like being on a mood elevating drug when checking out Hoyatalk. And if you people stop responding then my ignore attempts will be bulletproof!! Where is the ignore button? There are about 8 posters I want to ignore.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 25, 2014 16:55:09 GMT -5
C'mon guys, fluctuations in your blood pressure can be good for you!
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Post by cheer48 on Apr 26, 2014 12:51:21 GMT -5
don't know what thread to address but I give a shout-out to Smitty for doing your job in addressing your classroom stuff and apparently significantly improving you conditioning....Good job man....keep it up Bro.....make a MAJOR CONTRIBUTION YOUR LAST YEAR....WE, AND YOU ! ARE GEORGETOWN AND LET US NOT FORGET IT ! Go Big Guy !
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Post by Filo on Apr 26, 2014 17:02:16 GMT -5
When are you going to learn? Ignore is your friend. Almost like being on a mood elevating drug when checking out Hoyatalk. And if you people stop responding then my ignore attempts will be bulletproof!! Where is the ignore button? There are about 8 posters I want to ignore. Click on the member, then click the little gear wheel or whatever that thing-a-jingy is at the right next to "follow" and "send message" then select "block member." Enjoy...
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Post by b52legend on May 2, 2014 14:45:43 GMT -5
I continue to be frustrated by the transfer of our players. I understand that Domingo didn't live up to what we all thought his potential was comming in (although I find it hard to draw conclusions about his ability to shoot the 3 based on 27 shots in total spread out over 2 season of sporadic playing time), but since when was a 2-year put-up or shut-up period imposed on players? Hank didn't blossom until his senior year and now is playing in the NBA. Who saw that coming after his first, second or third year? Both him and Georgetown ended up better for his having stayed. We lost Vee Sanford because he didn't have a spot on our team (apparently), and he then went on to be one of the most valuable players for an elite eight squad. The fact is that we are a team that should be built around 3-4 year type players (we are not going to beat UK and KU for one and done types on a regular basis), yet somehow we are not recruiting guys who are willing to commit to 4-years on the hill(or even worse, pushing out guys if we don't like their status at the half-way point).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 2, 2014 15:22:07 GMT -5
I continue to be frustrated by the transfer of our players. I understand that Domingo didn't live up to what we all thought his potential was comming in (although I find it hard to draw conclusions about his ability to shoot the 3 based on 27 shots in total spread out over 2 season of sporadic playing time), but since when was a 2-year put-up or shut-up period imposed on players? Hank didn't blossom until his senior year and now is playing in the NBA. Who saw that coming after his first, second or third year? Both him and Georgetown ended up better for his having stayed. We lost Vee Sanford because he didn't have a spot on our team (apparently), and he then went on to be one of the most valuable players for an elite eight squad. The fact is that we are a team that should be built around 3-4 year type players (we are not going to beat UK and KU for one and done types on a regular basis), yet somehow we are not recruiting guys who are willing to commit to 4-years on the hill(or even worse, pushing out guys if we don't like their status at the half-way point). Look at the long transfer list on the recruiting page. It is the nature of the game these days, and virtually every major conference (and many mid-major) team goes through it. There are any number of reasons. In Domingo's case I think it was a combination: he did not improve his game, including the defensive end, as much as necessary; he not only lost confidence in his shot, he seemed to lose his mechanics; and maybe most importantly, we were able to recruit players at his position that are just better than him. I tend to doubt he was pushed out the door, but I am sure JTIII makes it clear at the end of the season where he thinks each guy fits onto the plan for the next season. And as for Vee, to take a moment to beat that dead horse (in honor of the Run for the Roses tomorrow) - he had a spot on the team, it was just a ways down the pecking order, and he was not satisfied with it so he left. He became a bench player for a mid-major. He contributed, they had a nice run this year, and he had a moment to remember for a lifetime.
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Post by nychoya3 on May 2, 2014 15:42:17 GMT -5
It's unavoidable. I'd rather recruit kids who want to play and aren't happy with being buried on the bench because we recruited better players who play their position. Let it shake out. Some are inevitably going to transfer for better or worse - there's no avoiding it. Players don't commit for 4 years, like it or not. Transfers are always on the table. I continue to be frustrated by the transfer of our players. I understand that Domingo didn't live up to what we all thought his potential was comming in (although I find it hard to draw conclusions about his ability to shoot the 3 based on 27 shots in total spread out over 2 season of sporadic playing time), but since when was a 2-year put-up or shut-up period imposed on players? Hank didn't blossom until his senior year and now is playing in the NBA. Who saw that coming after his first, second or third year? Both him and Georgetown ended up better for his having stayed. We lost Vee Sanford because he didn't have a spot on our team (apparently), and he then went on to be one of the most valuable players for an elite eight squad. The fact is that we are a team that should be built around 3-4 year type players (we are not going to beat UK and KU for one and done types on a regular basis), yet somehow we are not recruiting guys who are willing to commit to 4-years on the hill(or even worse, pushing out guys if we don't like their status at the half-way point).
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Post by b52legend on May 2, 2014 15:46:11 GMT -5
I continue to be frustrated by the transfer of our players. I understand that Domingo didn't live up to what we all thought his potential was comming in (although I find it hard to draw conclusions about his ability to shoot the 3 based on 27 shots in total spread out over 2 season of sporadic playing time), but since when was a 2-year put-up or shut-up period imposed on players? Hank didn't blossom until his senior year and now is playing in the NBA. Who saw that coming after his first, second or third year? Both him and Georgetown ended up better for his having stayed. We lost Vee Sanford because he didn't have a spot on our team (apparently), and he then went on to be one of the most valuable players for an elite eight squad. The fact is that we are a team that should be built around 3-4 year type players (we are not going to beat UK and KU for one and done types on a regular basis), yet somehow we are not recruiting guys who are willing to commit to 4-years on the hill(or even worse, pushing out guys if we don't like their status at the half-way point). Look at the long transfer list on the recruiting page. It is the nature of the game these days, and virtually every major conference (and many mid-major) team goes through it. There are any number of reasons. In Domingo's case I think it was a combination: he did not improve his game, including the defensive end, as much as necessary; he not only lost confidence in his shot, he seemed to lose his mechanics; and maybe most importantly, we were able to recruit players at his position that are just better than him. I tend to doubt he was pushed out the door, but I am sure JTIII makes it clear at the end of the season where he thinks each guy fits onto the plan for the next season. And as for Vee, to take a moment to beat that dead horse (in honor of the Run for the Roses tomorrow) - he had a spot on the team, it was just a ways down the pecking order, and he was not satisfied with it so he left. He became a bench player for a mid-major. He contributed, they had a nice run this year, and he had a moment to remember for a lifetime. All valid points. As you noted, I think that the issue might be with player expectations/desire to play as much as with Gtown or other programs specifically. I guess the kids just want to play, which I can't necessarily blame them for, but I know that there are kids out there who commit to a program and stay for four years (come what may). The fact is, if you are not good enough to play at Gtown, you are not good enough to make the league. If I were in those shoes, I would work like hell to improve my game, so that maybe I could get more PT, but also enjoy everything else that college has to offer and get my degree. It may be a diminishing number of kids that take this approach, which isn't suprising given the nature of the NCAA today. Basketball is big business, so transferring is like job hopping.
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Post by HometownHoya on May 2, 2014 16:15:43 GMT -5
Look at the long transfer list on the recruiting page. It is the nature of the game these days, and virtually every major conference (and many mid-major) team goes through it. There are any number of reasons. In Domingo's case I think it was a combination: he did not improve his game, including the defensive end, as much as necessary; he not only lost confidence in his shot, he seemed to lose his mechanics; and maybe most importantly, we were able to recruit players at his position that are just better than him. I tend to doubt he was pushed out the door, but I am sure JTIII makes it clear at the end of the season where he thinks each guy fits onto the plan for the next season. And as for Vee, to take a moment to beat that dead horse (in honor of the Run for the Roses tomorrow) - he had a spot on the team, it was just a ways down the pecking order, and he was not satisfied with it so he left. He became a bench player for a mid-major. He contributed, they had a nice run this year, and he had a moment to remember for a lifetime. All valid points. As you noted, I think that the issue might be with player expectations/desire to play as much as with Gtown or other programs specifically. I guess the kids just want to play, which I can't necessarily blame them for, but I know that there are kids out there who commit to a program and stay for four years (come what may). The fact is, if you are not good enough to play at Gtown, you are not good enough to make the league. If I were in those shoes, I would work like hell to improve my game, so that maybe I could get more PT, but also enjoy everything else that college has to offer and get my degree. It may be a diminishing number of kids that take this approach, which isn't suprising given the nature of the NCAA today. Basketball is big business, so transferring is like job hopping. These kids have also worked all their life at this goal, I don't fault any of them for not giving up if they still think they can make it. As far as your statement that if you can't play at Gtown you can't make it to the league, I would love to agree but its just not true. There are tons of players on lesser teams and leagues that still have a chance to have a career playing the sport they love. I hate bringing him up but just look at the Bennimonster, everyone (including myself) was sure he made the wrong choice leaving an education like Georgetown just to play at Towson. Instead he proved himself and has a chance to get drafted, if not have a long career overseas. Also, if people want us to stay at the level we are at, we won't have a team made up of all 4 year players. Of course I think we will have a decent number of career college players but to actually have a national level impact, we need to grab up all the 2/3 year players, which we have done a good job of this year. If that causes some of the backups to leave because they want their moment in the sun, then good luck to them.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 2, 2014 16:27:57 GMT -5
Look at the long transfer list on the recruiting page. It is the nature of the game these days, and virtually every major conference (and many mid-major) team goes through it. There are any number of reasons. In Domingo's case I think it was a combination: he did not improve his game, including the defensive end, as much as necessary; he not only lost confidence in his shot, he seemed to lose his mechanics; and maybe most importantly, we were able to recruit players at his position that are just better than him. I tend to doubt he was pushed out the door, but I am sure JTIII makes it clear at the end of the season where he thinks each guy fits onto the plan for the next season. And as for Vee, to take a moment to beat that dead horse (in honor of the Run for the Roses tomorrow) - he had a spot on the team, it was just a ways down the pecking order, and he was not satisfied with it so he left. He became a bench player for a mid-major. He contributed, they had a nice run this year, and he had a moment to remember for a lifetime. All valid points. As you noted, I think that the issue might be with player expectations/desire to play as much as with Gtown or other programs specifically. I guess the kids just want to play, which I can't necessarily blame them for, but I know that there are kids out there who commit to a program and stay for four years (come what may). The fact is, if you are not good enough to play at Gtown, you are not good enough to make the league. If I were in those shoes, I would work like hell to improve my game, so that maybe I could get more PT, but also enjoy everything else that college has to offer and get my degree. It may be a diminishing number of kids that take this approach, which isn't suprising given the nature of the NCAA today. Basketball is big business, so transferring is like job hopping. I hear ya. I greatly respect the kid who works hard for 2-3 years and then gets his chance and makes the most of it.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 2, 2014 17:22:40 GMT -5
It definitely is a diminishing number that stick around. Half the talent we had on the '84 team would have left early in today's times. Charles Smith definitely would have been gone. Being told he likely would never start, he probably would have never even come. It's a totally different world today.
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