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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 26, 2014 11:49:57 GMT -5
Absolutely right. And earlier in the thread, someone was asking about the right-granting agreements, and whether these truly would prevent further movement from schools in conferences that have executed them. The answer is that it's really not clear. These sorts of things have never to my knowledge been litigated. And they would be subject to the same sort of defense (punitive vs. compensatory). While you're generally free to contract however you see fit, you can't contract in a way that completely prevents someone from moving to another businees opportunity unreasonably. And the right-granting agreements might be analogized to fit that exception. A school probably wouldn't have the same "I didn't vote for it" argument available to it, but I'm not sure that helps much legally anyway. As to how this resolves, I think a lot of this depends on just how bad the ESPN documents are. I'm sure they're smart enough to cloak a lot of the bad stuff in attorney-client privilege anyway, and I don't think they'd much care about documents that simply show what everyone knows already: that ESPN and the ACC were working together to maximize their joint venture's worth. I think they would care if there specifically were documents that spoke ill of another league, like the Big East. So they may not care about a doc that says "if you get Louisville to join that would be terrific for all of us," but they might care about one that says "if you get Louisville to join, that will cripple the Big East and allow us to not pay them anything going forward." I'm sure they'll require a protective order that will make it hard for any of these to be made public. Leaks sometimes occur anyway, but more often than not, they don't. msn.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/myth-of-the-big-12s-grant-of-rights.phpYup. Agree completely. This is high-stakes stuff for all concerned. Anyone who thinks all of this reallignment has resolved itself in even the short-term is delusional. Even aside from these issues, there is so much going on with NCAA governance/law suits/etc. that could well affect how individual schools align themselves.
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Post by Filo on Mar 26, 2014 11:57:33 GMT -5
I agree with dungeonball, though. However this winds up, I really doubt that it results in the airing of ESPN's dirty laundry. Too bad. One can hope...
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Post by bkhoya on Mar 26, 2014 12:04:54 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter whether ESPN airs their dirty laundry. I seriously doubt there is a smoking gun there anyway and they wouldn't report on it if there were. What matter is whether Maryland walks with paying less than $52 million and my money says they do. If the settlement amount is for about half, then you're back to opening the flood gates again.
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Post by biggmanu on Mar 26, 2014 12:59:18 GMT -5
All I want to see is ESPN and Syracuse suffer. Boeheim get fed up and leave. And Cuse falling into a down-cycle in recruiting making them the pits of the ACC or whatever is left when Clemson and FSU get poached. Still love us going back to the catholic basketball schools. Screw football.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 26, 2014 17:31:25 GMT -5
Somehow I feel like this all ends with a whimper, without the fireworks we're all hoping for, kind of like Syracuse violations. Nothing will come to light, UMD will settle for some amount that's less than exit fee, but not low enough to entice other ACC members to jump. Here is why this may not end in a whimper: Maryland (although I prefer calling it LIU College Park) is a state university. Any settlement will require formal public approvals from the UM Board of Trustees and, potentially, state agencies. Those public actions will be recorded, and will be reported. We had the same thing here in New Jersey happen when Rutgers settled its suit with the old Big East; the terms of settlement became public before they were finalized.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 26, 2014 18:22:23 GMT -5
espn and acc DIRT coming we will see VERY interesting.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 26, 2014 20:35:44 GMT -5
I never, never, never, never, ever, ever thought I would write this about anything, but go Twerps.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 27, 2014 9:57:25 GMT -5
Somehow I feel like this all ends with a whimper, without the fireworks we're all hoping for, kind of like Syracuse violations. Nothing will come to light, UMD will settle for some amount that's less than exit fee, but not low enough to entice other ACC members to jump. Here is why this may not end in a whimper: Maryland (although I prefer calling it LIU College Park) is a state university. Any settlement will require formal public approvals from the UM Board of Trustees and, potentially, state agencies. Those public actions will be recorded, and will be reported. We had the same thing here in New Jersey happen when Rutgers settled its suit with the old Big East; the terms of settlement became public before they were finalized. Valid point. I live in NJ too and the Rutgers settlement was big news up here for a while.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 27, 2014 16:57:29 GMT -5
All I want to see is ESPN and Syracuse suffer. Boeheim get fed up and leave. And Cuse falling into a down-cycle in recruiting making them the pits of the ACC or whatever is left when Clemson and FSU get poached. Still love us going back to the catholic basketball schools. Screw football. Careful what you wish for. If 2 schools leave the ACC, you better believe they have candidates lined up. The first would be Uconn. What if Villanova was on that list? Sh*t rolls downhill, and unfortunately the BE is looking up at the ACC right now. Destabilization will not make us any better off (unless the ACC called us instead), and could likely hurt us badly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 17:10:33 GMT -5
All I want to see is ESPN and Syracuse suffer. Boeheim get fed up and leave. And Cuse falling into a down-cycle in recruiting making them the pits of the ACC or whatever is left when Clemson and FSU get poached. Still love us going back to the catholic basketball schools. Screw football. Careful what you wish for. If 2 schools leave the ACC, you better believe they have candidates lined up. The first would be Uconn. What if Villanova was on that list? Sh*t rolls downhill, and unfortunately the BE is looking up at the ACC right now. Destabilization will not make us any better off (unless the ACC called us instead), and could likely hurt us badly. Nova isn’t on that list… Heck GTown would prob be on that list before Nova… Syracuse isn’t leaving though so nothing to worry about
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Post by biggmanu on Mar 27, 2014 18:15:12 GMT -5
The ACC and Big East are toast. They are going to need each other in the end. In the meantime, I want ESPN and ACC (namely Cuse) to suffer because they ruined some of the best basketball rivalries for the sake of a couple years of somewhat meaningful football. What goes around comes around, I firmly believe that.
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Post by deacon on Mar 27, 2014 18:50:00 GMT -5
All I want to see is ESPN and Syracuse suffer. Boeheim get fed up and leave. And Cuse falling into a down-cycle in recruiting making them the pits of the ACC or whatever is left when Clemson and FSU get poached. Still love us going back to the catholic basketball schools. Screw football. Careful what you wish for. If 2 schools leave the ACC, you better believe they have candidates lined up. The first would be Uconn. What if Villanova was on that list? Sh*t rolls downhill, and unfortunately the BE is looking up at the ACC right now. Destabilization will not make us any better off (unless the ACC called us instead), and could likely hurt us badly. UConn and Cincinnati would be the first two schools the ACC called. The ACC would have to be gasping for air to send an invite to any school currently in the Big East.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 27, 2014 21:08:24 GMT -5
The ACC and Big East are toast. They are going to need each other in the end. In the meantime, I want ESPN and ACC (namely Cuse) to suffer because they ruined some of the best basketball rivalries for the sake of a couple years of somewhat meaningful football. What goes around comes around, I firmly believe that. +1
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Post by hoya95 on Aug 8, 2014 13:01:36 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 8, 2014 13:08:52 GMT -5
Too bad. I was hoping this thing would go on for years and bring out all of the dirty laundry. I am sure that there are huge confidentiality provisions in place as well here. Rats.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 8, 2014 17:57:25 GMT -5
It still puts a $31 million settlement value expectation on anybody that would want to leave the ACC. Since that's a significant sum, I don't think it will cause a re-ignition of realignment, which might have been likely if Maryland won outright.
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Post by jorand on Aug 8, 2014 20:16:41 GMT -5
In a sense MD won. The B1G gave them 20m for "travel expenses" which if rumors are correct, will be applied towards that exit fee. Basically, MD's getting out of that conference for 11m Can't beat that.
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Post by capcenterhoya on Aug 9, 2014 4:41:55 GMT -5
ESPN drew some blood. But the Big 10 is already, and will increasingly continue to be, a FOX property.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 9, 2014 7:52:35 GMT -5
ESPN drew some blood. But the Big 10 is already, and will increasingly continue to be, a FOX property. The thought of ESPN attorneys facing discovery was enough for Bristol to make the call to Swofford and tell them to cut their losses. It kicks the can down the road on the issue of "grant of rights", but someone will test it. The Big Ten isn't done.
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Post by daymondmyles on Aug 9, 2014 12:32:50 GMT -5
Completely agree with DFW. The Big Ten expects that each member stands to earn $45mm a year starting in 2017 due to a new TV contract. That would cover the exit fee in one year. It may be a matter of time for the ACC if other leagues want to make a run at their schools. They are definitely the odd man out.
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