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Post by triplehoya09 on Mar 6, 2014 13:46:37 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I think the Big East is getting screwed because of the fact that so many of the middle teams are good but not great. As a result, there is a fair amount of parity, which is why some brackets have us with 3 bids, and the A-10 with six. Even if you look at the AAC, it's similar. Teams like Connecticut do not have terribly impressive conference records when you consider that they had multiple games and wins against the likes of USF, UCF, Houston, and Temple. If Georgetown was playing in that league, we'd probably have more wins, too. But that's not the way the bracketologists always look at things. According to KenPom rankings (still the best I know of), the Big East and A-10 are fairly comparable in terms of tournament teams, with the Big East having the better teams at the top and then very comparable teams down to 6th place. There is no reason the A-10 should get twice as many bids. The breakdown is: Big East: Nova (7), Creighton (9), St. John's (40), Xavier (43), Georgetown (49), Providence (54), Marquette (58), then Seton Hall is 79 and DePaul and Butler are the only teams below 100 A-10: VCU (17), St. Louis (37), GW (42), UMass (46), St. Joseph's (55), Dayton (56), then St. Bonaventure (86) and Richmond (88) before dropping off below 100. By contrast, the AAC has a very clear haves and have-nots structure that should get them 5 bids to the NCAA and probably 0 bids to the NIT. AAC: Louisville (4), Cincinnati (18), SMU (24), UCon (27), Memphis (38) - the next best team is Houston (126), then the rest of the conference is below 160 Thanks for the breakdown Jack. Very helpful. Seems to be hard evidence that the Big East is being undervalued. We are a better league top to bottom than the A-10 so it baffles me that they could receive twice as many tournament bids.
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Post by jester on Mar 6, 2014 15:14:53 GMT -5
Despite our bad losses, still like this Hoya team compared to the bubble teams bc they have won some hard games. Even teams like Kentucky have not (in and ranked 17th RPI, but 1 win vs top 50, zero vs top 25, and their second best win all season is bubble team Providence at home). That doesnt mean we are close to in, but we have shown good things.
One thing I will point to this year as to why we should not make despite some big wins is we really havent been good on the road (not neutral games). I would weight this heavier if I was the committee - so far we haven't done it, and good teams do. And we lost against some non tourney teams on the road, much less on our own home court. Clearly we could have had that mArquette game, but getting sweeped by Seton Hall and most recently by double digits is not good. Our backs were against the wall against Creighton and in typical Gtown fashion we came through, but we really needed to win the much "easier" (*maybe we just match up bad against SH) games earlier.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 6, 2014 15:17:41 GMT -5
i'll reserve my thoughts for saturday evening, but let's just say that I think it'll be a good game.
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Post by jester on Mar 6, 2014 15:20:00 GMT -5
edit: Seton Hall may have a bad RPI, but they have more top 50 wins than Kentucky - they swept Xavier. Again, good pt that Big East beating itself up hasnt helped.
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Post by guru on Mar 6, 2014 16:01:34 GMT -5
Judging by Lunardi's bracket and how markedly different it seems to be regarding number of BE teams (just 3), it appears ESPN's anti-NBE mandate has been strongly communicated to their bracketologist.
"Requiem for the Big East" indeed.
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Post by hoyas1995 on Mar 6, 2014 20:19:38 GMT -5
Judging by Lunardi's bracket and how markedly different it seems to be regarding number of BE teams (just 3), it appears ESPN's anti-NBE mandate has been strongly communicated to their bracketologist. "Requiem for the Big East" indeed. Funny because Austin Croshere on FS1 thinks we are in even with a loss at Villanova and a win over Butler in the BET
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 6, 2014 20:39:42 GMT -5
Judging by Lunardi's bracket and how markedly different it seems to be regarding number of BE teams (just 3), it appears ESPN's anti-NBE mandate has been strongly communicated to their bracketologist. "Requiem for the Big East" indeed. Funny because Austin Croshere on FS1 thinks we are in even with a loss at Villanova and a win over Butler in the BET I guess we could call this the flip side of the coin...
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 6, 2014 20:46:58 GMT -5
Judging by Lunardi's bracket and how markedly different it seems to be regarding number of BE teams (just 3), it appears ESPN's anti-NBE mandate has been strongly communicated to their bracketologist. "Requiem for the Big East" indeed. Funny because Austin Croshere on FS1 thinks we are in even with a loss at Villanova and a win over Butler in the BET I think that will get us in though we will be sweating it out till it's announced. However, if we lose to Villanova we will probably have to win the BET. Providence fans seem to think they have to beat Creighton or win the BET if they lose to Creighton.
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 6, 2014 21:44:42 GMT -5
I guess we could call this the flip side of the coin... The flip side of the coin's HD has been screwed up all night season.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 6, 2014 22:10:24 GMT -5
Funny because Austin Croshere on FS1 thinks we are in even with a loss at Villanova and a win over Butler in the BET I think that will get us in though we will be sweating it out till it's announced. However, if we lose to Villanova we will probably have to win the BET. Providence fans seem to think they have to beat Creighton or win the BET if they lose to Creighton. If we lose to nova we can win 3 in the BET and get in without winning the whole thing.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 6, 2014 22:31:22 GMT -5
Not that I remotely agree with the BE only warranting 3 teams in and, even though Croshere seems like a pretty knowledgeable guy as far as knowing about the other conferences, at the end of the day, he is likely a little partial to his old conference. That said, he seems very fair in his analysis. Much more so than the Disney sports network guys.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 6, 2014 23:06:29 GMT -5
Given that Dick Vitale has mentioned that MSU is a legit contender when healthy about 300 times tonight, I can forgive Austin Croshere for his transgressions....
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Post by tashoya on Mar 6, 2014 23:40:49 GMT -5
edit: Seton Hall may have a bad RPI, but they have more top 50 wins than Kentucky - they swept Xavier. Again, good pt that Big East beating itself up hasnt helped. But Seton Hall doesn't have the Kentucky name or a coach that will, at every opportunity, throw his players under the bus. That, apparently, helps with rankings and perceptions.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 7, 2014 7:36:09 GMT -5
Very good result with VCU winning at Richmond. Lost chance for Richmond, and as crazy as it sounds, I think VCU is now #14 in the RPI. It's going to be hard to deny our neutral court wins as long as we take care of business in the next week.
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 7, 2014 9:22:19 GMT -5
we just need to win on Saturday an d one game next week and we will be dancing.
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Post by adlai on Mar 7, 2014 9:57:59 GMT -5
There has been a ton of ink spilled over Sparty's spate of injuries this year in an attempt to downplay their losses for seeding purposes. If nothing else, the talking heads continue to discount our win against them because they were not at full strength. Yet, during our five game losing streak we were down a starter who has since returned (ok, so he played sparingly in the last of the five games). I wonder to what degree -- if any -- the committee might take this loss into account. A couple of wins when Jabril was out/limited and it's hard to believe we would not be on the right side of the bubble.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 7, 2014 10:14:48 GMT -5
We are definitely going to be one of the most talked about teams, especially if we get in. I can see ESPN going nuts over it. We have a really odd profile and two major in-season injuries/suspensions.
As others have pointed out, no one on the bubble has even close to 5 top 50 RPI wins, 6, if we beat Nova. The key will be, like you said, how we are judged for some bad losses.
The committee really values non-conference wins, though. And, we have 3 very good ones.
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Post by biggmanu on Mar 7, 2014 10:24:07 GMT -5
Tiny boost with wins from VCU and MSU last night now we need to route for KSU to beat Baylor tomorrow at 1:30pm as we are getting ready for Gtown/Nova game at 2pm and obviously Prov/SJU losses. Sadly routing for an RPI boost from Northeastern winning the CAA championship with wins over Drexel>Blue Hens>Benimonsters. I think the MSU injury excuses cancel with GTown injury excuses. Our big up will be that not only do we have a nice handful of good wins but they are mostly neutral site and that we did what the committee asked for us to do with a tough SOS that should be top ten-ish by tomorrow (really hard for the committee to overlook SOS).
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Post by guru on Mar 7, 2014 10:28:03 GMT -5
If we get in without winning the BET, the fury out of Bristol will be deafening, if unjustified. The network promotes its own properties, and denigrates the properties of its perceived competitors. There will be a unified front that we are undeserving. Be prepared.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 7, 2014 10:35:10 GMT -5
If we get in without winning the BET, the fury out of Bristol will be deafening, if unjustified. The network promotes its own properties, and denigrates the properties of its perceived competitors. There will be a unified front that we are undeserving. Be prepared. And I'd be shocked if JT3 is given the Seth Greenberg Memorial "It's a Travesty We Weren't Selected for the Tournament" Platform if we aren't selected
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