deacon
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Post by deacon on Apr 3, 2015 17:41:22 GMT -5
Is apparently visiting on an unofficial after Oak Hill is done in the High School Nationals this weekend.
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Post by CaliHoya on Apr 3, 2015 21:46:51 GMT -5
I watched Hampton versus Jessie and he was impressive. His body is big enough where he even managed to be effective defending Jessie, pushing him from a comfortable area. And man, what a stroke from 3! Yes, his skills are similar is some ways to Marcus, but come on - we need more versatile big men who can be effective even against zones!
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Post by Problem of Dog on Apr 3, 2015 22:55:34 GMT -5
Don't need him.
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Post by hoyapac on Apr 3, 2015 23:35:52 GMT -5
Agreed. 3 stars according to ESPN, watched him against Govan and wasn't that impressed. Additionally, we are loaded at that position for years to come. We need guards in 2016!
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Post by tullamore2 on Apr 4, 2015 5:42:15 GMT -5
Yes we need another 6'5" - 6'9" forward.
Agua, White, Cameron, Derrickson, Copeland, Mourning, Peak & K. Johnson isn't enough. We need more!!!
It's amazing how this coaching staff doesn't value guards. They need guards desperately the next two years. They need to add 3-4 guards and a center in 2015/2016. Yet they are looking to add a 9th forward.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 4, 2015 6:20:18 GMT -5
Peak is a guard IMO. As a frosh Peak's handle is more assured than Jesse Sapp (overrated by far too many people on HT) or even Austin Freeman's (who in his first season did very little driving by comparison). Sure he needs to pass more and shoot better, but the guy has guard skills. This is not to say the Hoyas don't need more guards of course, but at the same time let's stop acting as if Peak's skills are as limited as Boubacar Aw's.
Also White and from all reports Johnson too have some guard skills. I trusted White bringing up the ball and delivering the pass as I did anyone else this season. It is up to III to put the ball in his hands more.
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Post by vv83 on Apr 4, 2015 8:36:04 GMT -5
After watching Hampton's last two games - he appears to be strong and pretty skilled, but not much of an athlete. If he got into much better shape, he would certainly be quicker. But on the whole, he looked like a shorter, heavier, less athletic, less skilled version of Derrickson. I can see why he might be attractive to JTIII with his solid skill level and a good understanding of how to play, and he seems like an enthusiastic, energetic kid. But on the whole, Hampton seems like a redundant, lesser version of what we already have on the roster.
I do think Hampton can be a solid college player, but I don't think he is a good fit for us given the makeup of the roster. Of course, copeland could be in the NBA by the time Hampton would arrive on campus. And I have a sneaky feeling that Derrickson might really come on as a college player, and might end up being only a 3 year player for us. So even though the roster seems loaded with 3/4 players right now, that might thin out pretty quickly. Still, we seem to be heading in a more athletic direction with our recruiting - and hampton does not match up with that direction.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 4, 2015 9:16:29 GMT -5
Yes we need another 6'5" - 6'9" forward. Agua, White, Cameron, Derrickson, Copeland, Mourning, Peak & K. Johnson isn't enough. We need more!!! It's amazing how this coaching staff doesn't value guards. They need guards desperately the next two years. They need to add 3-4 guards and a center in 2015/2016. Yet they are looking to add a 9th forward. They don't value guards because some old geezers want to talk about Joe Hampton? Okay.
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 4, 2015 9:27:20 GMT -5
Yes we need another 6'5" - 6'9" forward. Agua, White, Cameron, Derrickson, Copeland, Mourning, Peak & K. Johnson isn't enough. We need more!!! It's amazing how this coaching staff doesn't value guards. They need guards desperately the next two years. They need to add 3-4 guards and a center in 2015/2016. Yet they are looking to add a 9th forward. If you look through this recruiting board you can see how many guards we've gone after. And those are just the ones with buzz. Who knows how many other guards the staff has watched play while scouting other players. Come on, aren't you tired of this false narrative? The kid came for an unofficial, on his dime, while the staff is here anyway.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Apr 4, 2015 10:04:54 GMT -5
Yes we need another 6'5" - 6'9" forward. Agua, White, Cameron, Derrickson, Copeland, Mourning, Peak & K. Johnson isn't enough. We need more!!! It's amazing how this coaching staff doesn't value guards. They need guards desperately the next two years. They need to add 3-4 guards and a center in 2015/2016. Yet they are looking to add a 9th forward. Huh? Deacon posts that Hampton, a local area kid, is apparently making an unofficial visit -- something dozens of other players who will never see the Hilltop again do -- and you twist that into the staff not valuing guards and is intent on adding another frontcourt player? Surely you jest.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2015 10:31:43 GMT -5
Yes we need another 6'5" - 6'9" forward. Agua, White, Cameron, Derrickson, Copeland, Mourning, Peak & K. Johnson isn't enough. We need more!!! It's amazing how this coaching staff doesn't value guards. They need guards desperately the next two years. They need to add 3-4 guards and a center in 2015/2016. Yet they are looking to add a 9th forward. If you look through this recruiting board you can see how many guards we've gone after. And those are just the ones with buzz. Who knows how many other guards the staff has watched play while scouting other players. Come on, aren't you tired of this false narrative? The kid came for an unofficial, on his dime, while the staff is here anyway. Since Dozier chose SC in November how many 2015 lead guards have we heard the staff was interested in? How many have visited? The facts are the staff has landed one PG/lead guard(Campbell) in 5 straight classes, that's the issue.. The argument could be made that if they don't get the guard(s) they want in a year, they just push it out to the next class.. Doing this enough can make the narrative of "not valuing" pg's more believable to some..
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Post by jld on Apr 4, 2015 10:46:27 GMT -5
The staff recruited Dozier, Bacon, Cheatham, Trier, Kenny Williams, and Crawford -- they all went elsewhere. Perhaps they looked at a projected backcourt next year of DSR, Tre and Peak and decided they could get more time elsewhere. The staff decided that lesser guards were not worth a scholarship and focused on 2016. This class has very good local guards and the apparent plan was to focus there. Without DSR's unexpected move we would have been fine next year with him, Tre and Peak, and perhaps Caleb Johnson picking up a few minutes at guard.
Hindsight is always 20-20 and I am sure that the staff would have taken a lower priority guard such a Hardnett if they suspected DSR would leave. There is still a reasonable shot at a good 2015 G who breaks free due to a coaching change, or a post-grad transfer. We are an attractive option with ready minutes for such a player next year. If we make such a pick up we will be OK for next year and after.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 4, 2015 11:08:28 GMT -5
Yes we need another 6'5" - 6'9" forward. Agua, White, Cameron, Derrickson, Copeland, Mourning, Peak & K. Johnson isn't enough. We need more!!! It's amazing how this coaching staff doesn't value guards. They need guards desperately the next two years. They need to add 3-4 guards and a center in 2015/2016. Yet they are looking to add a 9th forward. 1) Peak is a two guard. Not a small forward 2) Johnson and White both handle the ball well enough to play guard But it's cool. continue to lump them all together like they have the same skillset and do the same things. The agenda gets pushed better that way
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 4, 2015 11:15:38 GMT -5
And regarding Joe Hampton, I'd take him. The kid can flat out shoot the ball, and stretch power forwards create spacing. He's not the same as Derrickson, because he's a little more ball in hand than Derrickson is. If he slims down 20 pounds, he can probably play the three. Derrickson's game is a little more rooted on the block than Hampton's is. The two aren't mutually exclusive. We need more shooting in more spots. Hampton has the chance to be an elite shooter. I'd absolutely take him
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Post by ksf42001 on Apr 4, 2015 11:21:42 GMT -5
Follow him, and stay in contact in case a forward spot opens up, either through transfer to early departure
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 4, 2015 11:47:22 GMT -5
And regarding Joe Hampton, I'd take him. The kid can flat out shoot the ball, and stretch power forwards create spacing. He's not the same as Derrickson, because he's a little more ball in hand than Derrickson is. If he slims down 20 pounds, he can probably play the three. Derrickson's game is a little more rooted on the block than Hampton's is. The two aren't mutually exclusive. We need more shooting in more spots. Hampton has the chance to be an elite shooter. I'd absolutely take him Absolutely and totally agree with Daytona. DEPTHWe should ALWAYS be looking for DEPTH RELATIONSHIPSAre you kidding me? A guy gets serious minutes for OAK HILL? Plays for Steve Smith. Wants to visit at no cost to us? And some here think we should turn him down from even visiting? Meanwhile, Chris Mullin is reaching out to anyone and everyone in NY, NJ and beyond as he seeks to make and build relationships with key HS and AAU coaches. But some Hoya fans think we should shut the door on a 2016, 4 star recruit from a basketball POWERHOUSE in VA -- you know, our backyard? Where DSR came from? How do you think Steve Smith would look at that? Heck, he may even be the guy who called JT3 to set up this visit. Some posters on this board are just not employing common sense. -- OK, nothing new there BTW, Hampton already has an offer from Xavier -- anyone remember the team that beat us three times this year? Also, Virginia Tech, Depaul, Penn State and RI And interest from VA, KU, UMD, ND, FSU, Miami and.... 'Cuse. But we shouldn't even talk to the kid? Get Real. Yes, we still need guards too. And yes, we have open schollies. And yes, front court players ALSO leave unexpectedly, not just guards. Coach and Staff should ALWAYS be looking for talent at all 5 positions.
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 4, 2015 12:13:32 GMT -5
If you look through this recruiting board you can see how many guards we've gone after. And those are just the ones with buzz. Who knows how many other guards the staff has watched play while scouting other players. Come on, aren't you tired of this false narrative? The kid came for an unofficial, on his dime, while the staff is here anyway. Since Dozier chose SC in November how many 2015 lead guards have we heard the staff was interested in? How many have visited? The facts are the staff has landed one PG/lead guard(Campbell) in 5 straight classes, that's the issue.. The argument could be made that if they don't get the guard(s) they want in a year, they just push it out to the next class.. Doing this enough can make the narrative of "not valuing" pg's more believable to some.. How many high major guards were available at that point? Going back to our recruitment of Tyler Dorsey after he decommited from Arizona, the number of guards in this class was thin so everyone and their mother was after him. We went after Hardnett who most on this board didn't even want, but from what I gather from B&G we held off because he wasn't an instant impact player behind DSR and Tre and would get very few if any minutes. Sure, at some point the staff is gonna have to take some guards outside the top 100-200 if we can't land a top tier guard, but those guys are gonna have deficiencies. And then everyone will argue why we game a scholarship to this guy or that, when we should've been recruiting someone else.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2015 13:19:07 GMT -5
Since Dozier chose SC in November how many 2015 lead guards have we heard the staff was interested in? How many have visited? The facts are the staff has landed one PG/lead guard(Campbell) in 5 straight classes, that's the issue.. The argument could be made that if they don't get the guard(s) they want in a year, they just push it out to the next class.. Doing this enough can make the narrative of "not valuing" pg's more believable to some.. How many high major guards were available at that point? Going back to our recruitment of Tyler Dorsey after he decommited from Arizona, the number of guards in this class was thin so everyone and their mother was after him. We went after Hardnett who most on this board didn't even want, but from what I gather from B&G we held off because he wasn't an instant impact player behind DSR and Tre and would get very few if any minutes. Sure, at some point the staff is gonna have to take some guards outside the top 100-200 if we can't land a top tier guard, but those guys are gonna have deficiencies. And then everyone will argue why we game a scholarship to this guy or that, when we should've been recruiting someone else. I would have given Terrence Phillips who's playing PG right now for Oak Hill a look.. He's going to Mizzou but his offers were not overwhelming.. Traci Carter from Philly can play, he was pretty open too but he went off the board to Marquette in February.. They pulled him after losing a good player in Nick Noskwiak to de-commitment in January.. Marquette also pulled a kid named Sacar Anim a 6-5 SG for 2015 in late February.. He was just named Minny player of the year.. Marcus Lovette from Chicago, Nych Smith from Memphis, Craig Randall from AZ are all still available now.. I'm not sure of time lines but PG's have have been choosing schools all during the HS season.. The way the staff handled Galen Robinson was great in my view.. Went to see him practice and brought him in for an official visit.. Probably had him play with the team and decided to not to offer.. The staff should have done more of this through out this last season.. Scrambling late in the spring is very poor planning.. Many of the kids above have been mentioned in the prospects thread on this board too, so this isn't hindsight.. Also, G'town lost 30 minutes of PT in Jabril.. Tre will get a chunk of that but there's still at least 10+ minutes available in the back-court, an easier way to put it is Tre's role this year is now available.. I don't buy this "little time" available this coming season excuse.. Personally I don't mind the staff taking shots at kids who are undervalued.. Whitt, Jabril & Tre are in that mold, there are a lot of kids out there who can play HM ball that aren't on rankings lists..
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Post by Problem of Dog on Apr 4, 2015 13:53:46 GMT -5
And regarding Joe Hampton, I'd take him. The kid can flat out shoot the ball, and stretch power forwards create spacing. He's not the same as Derrickson, because he's a little more ball in hand than Derrickson is. If he slims down 20 pounds, he can probably play the three. Derrickson's game is a little more rooted on the block than Hampton's is. The two aren't mutually exclusive. We need more shooting in more spots. Hampton has the chance to be an elite shooter. I'd absolutely take him Would we want Kris Jenkins if he offered to transfer right now? No? Okay, then you don't want Joe Hampton.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 4, 2015 14:45:35 GMT -5
And regarding Joe Hampton, I'd take him. The kid can flat out shoot the ball, and stretch power forwards create spacing. He's not the same as Derrickson, because he's a little more ball in hand than Derrickson is. If he slims down 20 pounds, he can probably play the three. Derrickson's game is a little more rooted on the block than Hampton's is. The two aren't mutually exclusive. We need more shooting in more spots. Hampton has the chance to be an elite shooter. I'd absolutely take him Would we want Kris Jenkins if he offered to transfer right now? No? Okay, then you don't want Joe Hampton. Jenkins and Hampton aren't the same player. Not in the least. Just because two guys have the same body type doesn't mean they have the same skillset. And having said that, I'd love Kris Jenkins. He's a winner
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