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Post by Filo on Feb 22, 2014 23:20:51 GMT -5
That was a good game and I am really looking forward to the rubber match between Cuse and Duke at the Garden. What's that? Not at the garden but in some godforsaken place like Greensboro or something like that? Oh, that's right, Cuse sold their football-playing soul so that could have a second-fiddle rivalry with Duke and get to endure the usual ACC BS calls and home cooking while playing their tournament games in the South.
Can't wait for Jimmy B to retire and see Cuse sink into BC levels of obscurity in the ACC. Dbags deserve everything they get. Yeah, I feel real bad for them...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 23:39:34 GMT -5
That was a good game and I am really looking forward to the rubber match between Cuse and Duke at the Garden. What's that? Not at the garden but in some godforsaken place like Greensboro or something like that? Oh, that's right, Cuse sold their football-playing soul so that could have a second-fiddle rivalry with Duke and get to endure the usual ACC BS calls and home cooking while playing their tournament games in the South. Can't wait for Jimmy B to retire and see Cuse sink into BC levels of obscurity in the ACC. Dbags deserve everything they get. Yeah, I feel real bad for them... It's almost comical how little regard ESPN has for the intellect of its audience with all this propagandistic shoving of "rivalry" down our throats. It's like some Orwellian world where if they just say it enough times the dumb masses will have absorbed it and believed it. The brainwashing isn't even subtle. But I gotta give ESPN "analysts and commentators" credit: Like some shill constantly bringing up a brand that he's been paid to do product placement for, these commentators have all got their talking points, and they stay on message. The sad thing is that Boeheim and Coach K themselves buy into the hype and have their fair share of phony promoting.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 23, 2014 0:13:32 GMT -5
Filo's post made me feel warm and fuzzy. Better than a pajamagram!
Denny, the saddest part is that it works. They're the "worldwide leader" for a reason. It's nearly impossible to watch a Dookie V game with the sound on as the sound of butt kissing is really tedious. Heck, even the Jimmy V stuff every year. Not to speak ill of the dead but the man is spoken of on ESPN as some sort of hero. Never a mention of the many allegations of his conduct as a basketball professional. Not that it wasn't tragic that he died so young or that his foundation hasn't done a great job raising money. But the hero worship is over the top. Similar deal with Calipari. He's a "great coach" and "cares about his kids" but every interview you see is him throwing his kids under the bus. You'll even hear about his record in the Final Four when his teams make it and it's a footnote that they were vacated as if that was some sort of mistake or clerical error. ESPN tacitly endorses that sort of conduct by promoting these programs and not presenting the complete picture. That's fine I guess. The respective fanbases don't seem to care about allegations and the NCAA is inept because it would hurt the bottom line. It's not that dissimilar from the ratings agencies in finance. I'm not meaning to be all conspiratorial. It's just Mickey Mouse putting a happy face on a lot of shady crap and people eat it up and it's profitable. Which leads to more shady crap. There's nothing wrong with making money. But the kids should be a top priority in it all and they're not. If coaches can go to another school and coach right away, kids should be able to transfer and do the same. That said, if a kid is academically ineligible at one school, they shouldn't be all of a sudden eligible/admitted to another school. I get that there's a point where idealism is being purely naive but there should also be a point where idealism meets realistic expectations. For instance, I get why Whitt has offers from other schools. But, along with those offers, should be a very specific plan for him in terms of what is required of him to earn that spot at another school. Allowing him to squander opportunities is doing him no favor. Anyway, sorry for the rant.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Feb 23, 2014 2:11:14 GMT -5
Absolutely grounds for being banned from HoyaTalk forever. Only thing better than a Hoyas win today was to see the way that Cuse lost. I couldn't wish for more horrible things to happen to that program. I can't wait for them to lose in the first round of the tournament.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 23, 2014 6:05:01 GMT -5
Schadenfreude (/ˈʃɑːdənfrɔɪdə/; German: [ˈʃaːdənˌfʁɔʏdə] ( listen)) is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others. This word is a loanword from German. The literal English translation is 'Harm-Joy'. It is the feeling of joy or pleasure when one sees another fail or suffer misfortune.
There should be video clip of the foul and Boeheim's reaction in the Hoya Dictionary. And Bilas was absolutely right. Boeheim cost his team at least chance, albeit small, to extend the game by drawing the T.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 23, 2014 8:43:34 GMT -5
The call was borderline. It is no shock that someone got homed at Cameron.
Magoo's reaction was not only ridiculous, it did not even seem genuine. Looked fake, like most of his players' transcripts.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 23, 2014 9:58:18 GMT -5
Though not to the extent that Pitt will, I suspect Cuse is going to have a rude awakening across many sports in the ACC. Case in point: the #1 ranked Orange men's lacrosse team got blitzed 16-8 in the Carrier Dome. Spending your college years on Hoth might be worthwhile when you're winning conference titles left and right. When that becomes rarer and rarer...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 23, 2014 12:54:41 GMT -5
Honestly, that's a charge.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Feb 23, 2014 13:47:59 GMT -5
someone at casual also has a screen grab that shows Fair out of bounds when he caught the pass, so the play should have never happened anyway.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 23, 2014 13:50:15 GMT -5
Honestly, that's a charge. It's really close, ain't it? I have to be honest...live viewing: thought it was a charge, replay: ehhhhh, was that a blocking foul??? So who knows. Dana O'Neil's article today speaks to this: espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10506018/referees-made-right-call-end-syracuse-orange-duke-blue-devils-game-official-saysThe "veteran person in officiating management" (*) says they're honestly not sure, but thinks it was the right call based on watching it frame by frame four times. Three other officials gave three different interpretations. I read the thread on officiating.com and the general consensus there is the call was correct (I'll spare everyone the rulebook nitty gritty). One good observation from that thread: Tony Greene was rotating--running up the baseline--as the play happened. He hadn't finished his rotation yet, and as CJ Fair was driving he actually ran slightly past the point of contact, so he had to make an already tough call while moving and looking slightly back over his shoulder. It reminds me of our game in Morgantown in 2008, which ended on a similar bang-bang 50/50 call at full speed. I heard the next year from someone who'd talked to Ed Corbett, who was under the basket for Pat Ewing Jr's block (so it wasn't his call), that Ed had watched the play again about 20 times and still had no idea whether it was a block or goaltending. My thought on officiating has always been you want consistency within a game on how fouls are called, and for the refs to get the big calls right. But if the big call is that close? Sometimes life truly is a coin flip. It's like the official said to Dana O'Neil--OF COURSE this call would've happened in the highest profile game of the year. (*If I'm a betting man, Dana talked to John Cahill. Maybe Art Hyland.)
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 23, 2014 13:56:00 GMT -5
Though not to the extent that Pitt will, I suspect Cuse is going to have a rude awakening across many sports in the ACC. Case in point: the #1 ranked Orange men's lacrosse team got blitzed 16-8 in the Carrier Dome. Spending your college years on Hoth might be worthwhile when you're winning conference titles left and right. When that becomes rarer and rarer... IDK if Cuse was exactly a juggernaut in the non-basketball Big East sports, but the ACC is definitely deeper than the BE was in several sports: M/W lax, M/W soccer, football come to mind. Shoot, Cuse soccer took us to PKs two seasons ago in the Sweet 16 and was undefeated going into it's first ACC conference season...they finished 3-7-1 in the ACC, which sent three teams to the Final Four. Football is in the same division as FSU, Clemson, and Louisville, so have fun with that. I'm guessing the same thing happens to Rutgers in the B1G.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 23, 2014 14:42:05 GMT -5
My thought on officiating has always been you want consistency within a game on how fouls are called, and for the refs to get the big calls right. But if the big call is that close? Sometimes life truly is a coin flip. This. I also agree that Magoo did this with the sole intent of influencing future close calls.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 23, 2014 14:49:38 GMT -5
FL Hoya, it isn't a guess as to what will happen to Rutgers in the B1G, it's pretty much an ugly certainty.
RU's physical facilities do not match up well at all against its future competitors; they have a football stadium that has been expanded to seat roughly 45,000 (less than 1/2 of Michigan's Big House), and an outdated RAC that only seats 8000 and is pending renovation without seating expansion. Further, as reported (conveniently) in today's Asbury Park Press, the athletic budget is so far out of whack that student fees have been raised regularly to cover immense annual deficits; RU has used $191 million in direct institutional support and student fees to cover athletic budget shortfalls since 2005, including $28 million in 2012 and an expected $31 million in 2013. The coaching salaries for Rutgers' twenty head coaches increased by 15% this past year, to $4.1 million, which is $1.1 million lower than for Illinois (whose 21 head coaches' total salary, at $5.2 million, is the lowest in the B1G); RU ranks ahead of only Temple ($3.1 million for 20 head coaches) and Houston ($2.2 million for 12 head coaches) in the AAC.
As for football recruiting, RU had numerous decommitals for the incoming football class, and has already had a decommital for the 2015 class; the best example of how far they have to go to compete in the B1G is that they actually poached one of our recruits! It is apparent that RU will be the doormat of all doormats for the revenue generating sports. They have not been very good in the AAC (nor were they in the Big East, for that matter). . .which bodes very poorly for the future.
And I'm not even getting into the dysfunctional operation of the athletic program over the past year, in the aftermath of the Mike Rice debacle.
Bottom line: RU is counting on the money streams from the B1G to staunch the financial bleeding of the past decade. I don't think they really care about the wins and losses, so long as the moneys start flowing into New Brunswick from the B1G.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 24, 2014 3:50:59 GMT -5
I can't begin to describe how much I'm enjoying this thread.
But the true meteor game is coming up next - Sucks U. v UMCP.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 24, 2014 15:14:17 GMT -5
My thought on officiating has always been you want consistency within a game on how fouls are called, and for the refs to get the big calls right. But if the big call is that close? Sometimes life truly is a coin flip. This. I also agree that Magoo did this with the sole intent of influencing future close calls. Boeheim allegedly apologized to his team, telling them that he thought there were only 3 or 4 seconds left in the game. If true, how can he ever get on a player again for not knowing how much time is on the clock/shot clock? Also, given the Pitt ending, 4 seconds would be plenty of time. I think in the end you are right, he wanted to send a message. But the real message was sent to Magoo and Canada's college team Saturday night: you sold out yourselves and the Big East for money, so welcome to your future in the ACC.
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Post by Boz on Feb 24, 2014 21:04:50 GMT -5
How Syracuse has only lost two games this year is beyond me.
Thannks for nothin', UMCP.
Enjoy the B1G. (speaking of programs who sold out and run the risk of oblivion in the not-too-distant future...)
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 24, 2014 21:14:54 GMT -5
I keep thinking they will get their payback in the tourney, but I said that last year, and then I was punished by having to watch them make the final four in our freakin arena, so this year, I will just shut up
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 24, 2014 21:15:31 GMT -5
Terps with 17 TOs and inability to hit FTs.
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