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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 30, 2014 7:57:48 GMT -5
I'm happy that he's going to the D-League and not Rutgers, now if he becomes something, we can get credit for it.
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Post by rockhoya on May 30, 2014 8:07:06 GMT -5
I'm happy that he's going to the D-League and not Rutgers, now if he becomes something, we can get credit for it. Yup. Plus he gets to focus on developing 24/7, since class clearly isn't his one of his priorities.
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Post by BleedBlueHoya on May 30, 2014 8:09:44 GMT -5
HoyaSinceBirth - It's good to know I'm not the only person who thinks like that. Good luck to Greg.
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Post by DoctorHoya on May 30, 2014 8:38:51 GMT -5
The question for me is whether his not completing the transfer counts against our student athlete graduation requirements...
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Post by lancasterhoyafan on May 30, 2014 9:21:31 GMT -5
Best wishes to Greg! Love the kids game.
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Post by tashoya on May 30, 2014 9:23:50 GMT -5
Good luck to Greg. And, rockhoya, what was the reason? Because, while some people on here like to dismiss his value, other people actually appreciate his abilities and realize that he has a set of unique tools that may enable him to become a player one day. I mean, to be surprised that people still keep tabs on him is to not realize what he can bring to the court. I've barely ever seen anyone with his size and length move so gracefully laterally and his defensive tools alone are a reason for him to get looks as a professional. If he improves/d his jumper at an Otto-like rate or anything similar, and tightens up his handle (which he did a lot of during his first year off), the sky may be the limit. If he consistently continues to work hard and keeps his priorities in order and accepts advice from the right people there is no reason he can't at least a Thabo-like impact. All I know is I appreciate the updates because he still has the potential to right the ship, despite all the naysayers. I guess I'm reading things differently than you. Pretty much everyone recognizes his abilities as far as I can tell. They just seem less than hopeful that he'll put in the necessary work due to lack of discipline. I think that's fair. That said, school isn't for everyone. Hopefully that's all it is with Greg and the D League is a better fit than college.
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Post by rockhoya on May 30, 2014 12:38:25 GMT -5
Because, while some people on here like to dismiss his value, other people actually appreciate his abilities and realize that he has a set of unique tools that may enable him to become a player one day. I mean, to be surprised that people still keep tabs on him is to not realize what he can bring to the court. I've barely ever seen anyone with his size and length move so gracefully laterally and his defensive tools alone are a reason for him to get looks as a professional. If he improves/d his jumper at an Otto-like rate or anything similar, and tightens up his handle (which he did a lot of during his first year off), the sky may be the limit. If he consistently continues to work hard and keeps his priorities in order and accepts advice from the right people there is no reason he can't at least a Thabo-like impact. All I know is I appreciate the updates because he still has the potential to right the ship, despite all the naysayers. I guess I'm reading things differently than you. Pretty much everyone recognizes his abilities as far as I can tell. They just seem less than hopeful that he'll put in the necessary work due to lack of discipline. I think that's fair. That said, school isn't for everyone. Hopefully that's all it is with Greg and the D League is a better fit than college. Yeah I agree, I just meant more in terms of why and how Jeff Goodman sees him in the basketball realm relative to the casual basketball fan. I'm not sure everyone on this board values him similarly, tbh, I feel like it's pretty spread out across the spectrum. If he had Paul Goerge's work effort he probably would've already been a lottery pick. I'm just glad he's put himself in a position to keep his career going. But I agree, time will tell. He won't have any excuses anymore. He can either rise to the occasion due to increased discipline, or just fall off completely. Either way, it's probably a better route than Rutgers at this point.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 30, 2014 12:44:17 GMT -5
Rumor was that Paul George work ethic stunk in college. I think he learned the ropes from true pros like Granger and being around Bird. The light can come on late, the question is if it clicks in time and the opportunity is still there.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 30, 2014 16:21:03 GMT -5
Good luck GW. Your Hoya career was a disappointment, but he is still a Hoya. Really hope he can make a solid career.
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Post by tashoya on May 30, 2014 18:46:03 GMT -5
I don't know the kid but I wish him well. I wasn't a fan of him letting his team down but people do stupid things at times. Whereas people are on you in college, encouraging you to do the right things to improve and to put yourself in the best shape to succeed, that's less true after school ends. I'm sure Greg is aware of that and it's all on him now. No one cares the reasoning behind "missing an exam" from now on. Get grinding Greg and best of luck.
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Post by IDenj on Jun 1, 2014 10:18:25 GMT -5
Good luck to Greg. And, rockhoya, what was the reason? Because, while some people on here like to dismiss his value, other people actually appreciate his abilities and realize that he has a set of unique tools that may enable him to become a player one day. I mean, to be surprised that people still keep tabs on him is to not realize what he can bring to the court. I've barely ever seen anyone with his size and length move so gracefully laterally and his defensive tools alone are a reason for him to get looks as a professional. If he improves/d his jumper at an Otto-like rate or anything similar, and tightens up his handle (which he did a lot of during his first year off), the sky may be the limit. If he consistently continues to work hard and keeps his priorities in order and accepts advice from the right people there is no reason he can't at least a Thabo-like impact. All I know is I appreciate the updates because he still has the potential to right the ship, despite all the naysayers. I don't think anyone is questioning his ability. His headspace is a different matter. It is what is holding him back. And his schooling issues seemed a distant concern to his behaviour. Hope he has matured for his sake.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 1, 2014 14:41:57 GMT -5
Because, while some people on here like to dismiss his value, other people actually appreciate his abilities and realize that he has a set of unique tools that may enable him to become a player one day. I mean, to be surprised that people still keep tabs on him is to not realize what he can bring to the court. I've barely ever seen anyone with his size and length move so gracefully laterally and his defensive tools alone are a reason for him to get looks as a professional. If he improves/d his jumper at an Otto-like rate or anything similar, and tightens up his handle (which he did a lot of during his first year off), the sky may be the limit. If he consistently continues to work hard and keeps his priorities in order and accepts advice from the right people there is no reason he can't at least a Thabo-like impact. All I know is I appreciate the updates because he still has the potential to right the ship, despite all the naysayers. I don't think anyone is questioning his ability. His headspace is a different matter. It is what is holding him back. And his schooling issues seemed a distant concern to his behaviour. Hope he has matured for his sake. You can't speak for everyone on this board, of course some people question his ability more that others. Talent evaluation skills are not created equal and not everyone on this board has seen him outside of a Hoya uniform. It's completely unreasonable to expect everyone to have the same opinion of him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 17:59:51 GMT -5
I know that I have made this point before, but I can't help repeating this.. I wish he would enroll somewhere and obtain his diploma. If Georgetown or Rutgers is too academically challenging, then he should consider a school where he can be more comfortable. Now if he is able to make the NBA (doubtful), then fine. However, he needs to go to school somewhere and get his degree. It is going to be hard to go back to school several years in the future to get a degree. First of all, he won't qualify for an athletic scholarship and he will have to spend 3 years there. I just hope he thinks this through.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 1, 2014 20:28:56 GMT -5
I know that I have made this point before, but I can't help repeating this.. I wish he would enroll somewhere and obtain his diploma. If Georgetown or Rutgers is too academically challenging, then he should consider a school where he can be more comfortable. Now if he is able to make the NBA (doubtful), then fine. However, he needs to go to school somewhere and get his degree. It is going to be hard to go back to school several years in the future to get a degree. First of all, he won't qualify for an athletic scholarship and he will have to spend 3 years there. I just hope he thinks this through. Whitt was my boy. I thought he was a more fluid player than Porter even. I'm not exactly sure what happened to him, but I always felt he had a lot of potential. I pray that he finds someplace where he can gain traction and get his life/basketball back on track. Man, I wished he had worked out at Georgetown. Could have been the heir to Porter.
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Post by drquigley on Jun 5, 2014 9:19:52 GMT -5
The comments on this thread miss the real tragedy of Whitt, namely that because the NBA and NFL, unlike MLB, have no real minor league system, kids who have no desire to attend college but just want to be pro athletes have to enroll in college and pretend to be students. When they can't pretend anymore they get called head cases or lazy or told they lack a work ethic. Sure it would be great if they could do both but many can't and know they can't or just don't want to. It is a terrible system that hurts the kids and corrupts the colleges that recruit them. Hey, I love Hoya bball and wish every kid who came here to play ball was committed to getting a diploma. And if there was a legitimate NBA minor league system kids could have that choice. I have nephews who chose a minor league baseball contract over college and I know kids who went to college and then signed with the pros. Both had the choice of what worked best for them. But bballers don't. So guys like Whit get stuck in an environment that just isn't right for them and then get labeled as losers when they leave. A shame and a sham.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 5, 2014 12:08:04 GMT -5
The comments on this thread miss the real tragedy of Whitt, namely that because the NBA and NFL, unlike MLB, have no real minor league system, kids who have no desire to attend college but just want to be pro athletes have to enroll in college and pretend to be students. When they can't pretend anymore they get called head cases or lazy or told they lack a work ethic. Sure it would be great if they could do both but many can't and know they can't or just don't want to. It is a terrible system that hurts the kids and corrupts the colleges that recruit them. Hey, I love Hoya bball and wish every kid who came here to play ball was committed to getting a diploma. And if there was a legitimate NBA minor league system kids could have that choice. I have nephews who chose a minor league baseball contract over college and I know kids who went to college and then signed with the pros. Both had the choice of what worked best for them. But bballers don't. So guys like Whit get stuck in an environment that just isn't right for them and then get labeled as losers when they leave. A shame and a sham. I hear you, drquigley. However, being a strong advocate of these kids getting a college education, you are not going to get my vote on this one. As a matter of fact, if there is the potential for kids to skirt a college education, and go straight to the pros, I would say this is not the ideal system for them either. Let our kids, as much as possible, get a college education so that, if their basketball careers do not pan out, they have something they can fall back on. Of course, there are rare cases where kids have the skills to go directly into the NBA. So, while I agree with you that more can be done to fix the system, I cannot agree with you that we should make it even easier for kids to bypass college.
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Post by hoyabinx on Jun 5, 2014 12:24:00 GMT -5
The comments on this thread miss the real tragedy of Whitt, namely that because the NBA and NFL, unlike MLB, have no real minor league system, kids who have no desire to attend college but just want to be pro athletes have to enroll in college and pretend to be students. When they can't pretend anymore they get called head cases or lazy or told they lack a work ethic. Sure it would be great if they could do both but many can't and know they can't or just don't want to. It is a terrible system that hurts the kids and corrupts the colleges that recruit them. Hey, I love Hoya bball and wish every kid who came here to play ball was committed to getting a diploma. And if there was a legitimate NBA minor league system kids could have that choice. I have nephews who chose a minor league baseball contract over college and I know kids who went to college and then signed with the pros. Both had the choice of what worked best for them. But bballers don't. So guys like Whit get stuck in an environment that just isn't right for them and then get labeled as losers when they leave. A shame and a sham. There is no tragedy. Players can go abroad and hone their game (i.e Brandon Jennings) or straight to the D-League if they don't want to go college. College just provides the best place to get exposure and on NBA teams' radar. Let's not pretend that kids "have to enroll in college." Once you do, though, there are classroom expectations that I have no problem being enforced.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 5, 2014 13:13:12 GMT -5
Good luck to Greg. He has the ability to be a defensive stopper in the NBA if he is healthy and committed to his game. I hope it works out.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 5, 2014 13:34:07 GMT -5
The comments on this thread miss the real tragedy of Whitt, namely that because the NBA and NFL, unlike MLB, have no real minor league system, kids who have no desire to attend college but just want to be pro athletes have to enroll in college and pretend to be students. When they can't pretend anymore they get called head cases or lazy or told they lack a work ethic. Sure it would be great if they could do both but many can't and know they can't or just don't want to. It is a terrible system that hurts the kids and corrupts the colleges that recruit them. Hey, I love Hoya bball and wish every kid who came here to play ball was committed to getting a diploma. And if there was a legitimate NBA minor league system kids could have that choice. I have nephews who chose a minor league baseball contract over college and I know kids who went to college and then signed with the pros. Both had the choice of what worked best for them. But bballers don't. So guys like Whit get stuck in an environment that just isn't right for them and then get labeled as losers when they leave. A shame and a sham. I hear you, drquigley. However, being a strong advocate of these kids getting a college education, you are not going to get my vote on this one. As a matter of fact, if there is the potential for kids to skirt a college education, and go straight to the pros, I would say this is not the ideal system for them either. Let our kids, as much as possible, get a college education so that, if their basketball careers do not pan out, they have something they can fall back on. Of course, there are rare cases where kids have the skills to go directly into the NBA. So, while I agree with you that more can be done to fix the system, I cannot agree with you that we should make it even easier for kids to bypass college. Or course, I generally agree, but also you have to consider whether or not a person even supports, fundamentally, the "education" system in place in America. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with betting on yourself, especially when you were born for a certain calling and you are willing to work towards success on that path.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 5, 2014 21:12:00 GMT -5
I hear you, drquigley. However, being a strong advocate of these kids getting a college education, you are not going to get my vote on this one. As a matter of fact, if there is the potential for kids to skirt a college education, and go straight to the pros, I would say this is not the ideal system for them either. Let our kids, as much as possible, get a college education so that, if their basketball careers do not pan out, they have something they can fall back on. Of course, there are rare cases where kids have the skills to go directly into the NBA. So, while I agree with you that more can be done to fix the system, I cannot agree with you that we should make it even easier for kids to bypass college. Or course, I generally agree, but also you have to consider whether or not a person even supports, fundamentally, the "education" system in place in America. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with betting on yourself, especially when you were born for a certain calling and you are willing to work towards success on that path. Yes, that may be true, but let's not forget that education is the universal "game" that we still need to learn to play in order to participate in life on many levels. To give you an example, I have a brother who is a Rastafarian. He has about 17 or 18 kids. With two of his sons, he decided that he did not want them participating in any "Western" education. So, for the first 16 years of their lives they attended no school. However, so much pressure was brought to bear on those two young men they were forced to get private schooling. You see, even to captain a boat and catch fish out of the sea they needed an education.
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