calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jan 6, 2014 17:28:43 GMT -5
Let's wait and see which team shows up Wednesday night. Not so much Starks and DSR but just about everyone else. Providence is wounded and desperate already and they will be motivated. Hopkins, Bowen, Moses, Jabril, and Lubick are key. I think Smith is unable to be a factor unless these other players are playing well.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Jan 7, 2014 16:49:50 GMT -5
So if you point out that if we play like we did against DePaul we may only finish 10-8 in the BE and if you point out, as I have in other threads, that Josh Smith is slow, can't jump, rebound or play defense then you are a bad fan and a troll. Gentlemen, I have been a hoya fan for 45 years. I was a fan when Tom O'Keefe and Jack Magee coached us to regular 8 or 10 win seasons. My senior year I believe we only won 3 games. I was a fan when Dave Bing and Syracuse came to McDonough and the orange scored the first 28 points of the game. Before many of you were born I was watching us get our clock cleaned by Maryland, St. John's, Holy Cross, GW, and occasionally AU. I endured the Villanova upset ,the late JT2 years and of course the Esh era. So please cut me some slack. I may be wrong (sometime!) but I believe I deserve the right to my own opinion. Disagree with it if you will but leave the personal attacks out. GO HOYAS,
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 7, 2014 17:10:02 GMT -5
So if you point out that if we play like we did against DePaul we may only finish 10-8 in the BE and if you point out, as I have in other threads, that Josh Smith is slow, can't jump, rebound or play defense then you are a bad fan and a troll. Gentlemen, I have been a hoya fan for 45 years. I was a fan when Tom O'Keefe and Jack Magee coached us to regular 8 or 10 win seasons. My senior year I believe we only won 3 games. I was a fan when Dave Bing and Syracuse came to McDonough and the orange scored the first 28 points of the game. Before many of you were born I was watching us get our clock cleaned by Maryland, St. John's, Holy Cross, GW, and occasionally AU. I endured the Villanova upset ,the late JT2 years and of course the Esh era. So please cut me some slack. I may be wrong (sometime!) but I believe I deserve the right to my own opinion. Disagree with it if you will but leave the personal attacks out. GO HOYAS, Dr. Q - you should know by now that you only have the right to your own opinion if it is the same as that of whomever is reading it! You deserve a badge of honor for your long service to the Hoya Nation. As for this season - if we play like we did against DePaul we will be on the bottom of the conference. If we play like we did against SJU we will be at the top. If we play somewhere in between . . .
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jan 7, 2014 22:31:40 GMT -5
Drquigley, a tip of the cap to you for your tenure as a fan. That said, you ARE entitled to your opinion. However, if you expect others to agree that this team will struggle to win any road games, you're sort of setting yourself up for a bit of backlash. DePaul sucks but not as badly as they have in the recent past. We sucked playing them and that game, while closer than it should have been, never really felt in doubt. It was a clunker to be sure and this team has a lot to prove and likely less upside than many would hope but to stretch that into the idea that they'll struggle to win at all on the road is a bit ridiculous. I get your sentiment and, for the record, I agree to an extent in terms of league parity but I fully expect this team to win at DePaul and Seton Hall and Providence. Then again, you could be a pessimistic visionary in which case I'll be the first to ask for the I told you so. On a lighter note, this team is a bit erratic and will tend to go how DSR and Markel go (in addition to our fouling issues and free throws). This is the first year in a quite a few years that I'm not biting my nails and screaming at the TV because (even though we say it every year) this group can win or lose to most other teams depending on the day. As far as the BE goes, I think our group is top 3-ish in terms of talent/ceiling with the actual ceiling probably being 2 in the league. It makes for stress free viewing at least. In a way, that's entertaining. But I'm definitely looking forward to getting some guys in next year that will allow me to nearly kick in my tv each game. In the interim, this is Hoyatalk and, as you've noticed, we all seem to take personal shots at other posters. Some, of course, certainly deserve it at times (myself included). But it's not exactly a shining beacon of our best qualities as a fanbase to say the least. There are bright spots though. There are nuggets of truth and insight and some worthwhile debate and also some very true compassion and caring. Good and bad I suppose. In the basketball threads, it tends toward the flaming and, apparently, you've experienced that firsthand. Most of us don't know anything other than what we see or what we've learned through playing organized ball. Take it all with a grain of salt. It's just a bunch of us jackasses behind keyboards after all.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 7, 2014 23:55:52 GMT -5
I don't really know what "struggle to win any road game" means. That we're unlikely to win even a single road game? Or that every road game is going to be close?
Pomeroy has us six point favorites at DePaul and five point favorites at the Hall. His system projects us to actually have 4-5 road wins, though, or basically be .500 on the road. It's not the end all be all of projections, but I think it's generally reasonable. And makes the former interpretation a little extreme to me.
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This Just In
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Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 9, 2014 9:47:03 GMT -5
I think we can win this league, but is going to be tough...they have to play better and players like Bowen, Cameron, Domingo, Lubick cannot hesitate and pass up open shots...they have to step up. They have to be aggressive and try to score to at least be a threat offensively.
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