3xhoya
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Post by 3xhoya on Nov 30, 2013 16:45:19 GMT -5
With the news that Greg has been dismissed I thought it would be good to have a central place to talk (speculate) about our commits for last year. It is often hard to piece together information from each individual players threads.
Now that we know there will be a lot of playing time to go around, what will be each players role? Who is ready to make an impact from day 1? What can we expect in terms or strengths and weaknesses? I am usually not well informed when it comes to recruits so I think this convo would be interesting. Thanks in advance to those in the know.
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Post by idhoya on Nov 30, 2013 18:15:02 GMT -5
The positive things are we haven't played with Greg for over a year, so the team has gotten used to being without him. He is a loss, but not as much as one might think. We have two players coming in that play Greg's spot; White and Ike. I think Copeland gets a ton of early run out of necessity and he takes Bowen's minutes; i love the reports we're getting on Ike's development/improvement. Cameron would get more run if he was quicker.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 1, 2013 12:13:49 GMT -5
With the news that Greg has been dismissed I thought it would be good to have a central place to talk (speculate) about our commits for last year. It is often hard to piece together information from each individual players threads. Now that we know there will be a lot of playing time to go around, what will be each players role? Who is ready to make an impact from day 1? What can we expect in terms or strengths and weaknesses? I am usually not well informed when it comes to recruits so I think this convo would be interesting. Thanks in advance to those in the know. I'm no guru, but I will take a crack. PGDSR will slide over and dominate the time. Trawick will swing and play some primary ballhandler but Tre Campbell will grab some of that time. Campbell will show flashes, but he will neither be a good enough floor general yet to dominate the ball nor a good enough shooter to be effective off the ball. Good news is DSR will be playing 35 minutes a game so it he will get a year of development. SGI think LJ Peak is the most underrated player in our incoming class. But even so, I don't think he's ready to grab the starting spot from a senior Jabril Trawick right away. He's even fighting with Aaron Bowen for minutes at times (if he returns). However, by the Big East, he will grab big minutes IF he can hit the three at a decent pace. If he can't -- he plays sixth or seventh man minutes but doesn't come close to wresting the role from a senior Trawick. SFBoth Reggie Cameron and Paul White will get a lot of time here. Cameron's shot will be needed by this team, and White's going to be ready to do all the little things. He'll be impossible to keep off the court for too long. If Cameron can improve his D, I think that both play big minutes moving around a bit. But what about Copeland? PFI'm not sure he starts from day one, but I think he takes the stretch PF role and dominates it. I think, unfortunately, between the possibility of Hopkins' improvement not being real and Smith not coming back, Copeland's going to play most of his minutes at PF. That's not a bad things. Hopkins ends up playing more center than he'd like. CIf Smith does come back and is in better shape, AND Moses returns, the above would change. Copeland would start at the three, and we'd have a really strong bench with Cameron, Peak and White. I'm very bullish on this class. But then again, I was bullish on Monroe, Sims and Clark -- and Sims was nowhere near ready. Or 2011, where Hopkins wasn't ready, Adams wasn't healthy and Trawick was only a scrapper. Is LJ Peak really better than Trawick? How long do we have Copeland? Paul White seems like a great combination of ready to play and not too much upside. Campbell is obviously the lowest rated and biggest concern -- will he ever shoot enough, etc. And no big man leaves us with some issues. But the class does seem like there are two certains, one guy with the floor of Trawick and a PG who may or may not fit in. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 12:58:46 GMT -5
Tre can shoot it and he’s a pass first guy, as long as he defends and takes care of the ball he should be fine. The other Frosh in his class can fill it up just need someone to get them the ball…
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 1, 2013 13:55:34 GMT -5
Tre can shoot...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 1, 2013 13:57:39 GMT -5
Tre can shoot it and he’s a pass first guy, as long as he defends and takes care of the ball he should be fine. The other Frosh in his class can fill it up just need someone to get them the ball… I've heard varying reports on Peak's shot. It's going to be the key to how good he is for us, at least early on. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 14:10:38 GMT -5
Tre can shoot it and he’s a pass first guy, as long as he defends and takes care of the ball he should be fine. The other Frosh in his class can fill it up just need someone to get them the ball… I've heard varying reports on Peak's shot. It's going to be the key to how good he is for us, at least early on. Shot is a work in progress but his ability to defend and attack the basket will be what gets him minutes however many that is.. 3 point shooting outside of DSR and Cam might be a little shaky next year unless some players develop tbh... |
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Post by 3xhoya on Dec 1, 2013 14:46:09 GMT -5
Thanks for all of these replies.
I think the thing I am most excited for will be the increased athleticism next year. From the sounds of it the new guys will be very athletic which is something that has been lacking recently.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 1, 2013 18:49:07 GMT -5
I've heard varying reports on Peak's shot. It's going to be the key to how good he is for us, at least early on. Shot is a work in progress but his ability to defend and attack the basket will be what gets him minutes however many that is.. 3 point shooting outside of DSR and Cam might be a little shaky next year unless some players develop tbh... No doubt his slashing and athleticism are his better side of his skillset. I just think the way he grabs minutes over a senior Trawick -- who's a decent slasher and a good defender -- is by hitting a decent percentage from three. Offense these days relies on spacing. If DSR is the only shooter on the team, anyone who can hit a shot is going to get minutes. As much as defense, ahtleticism and slashing are valuable, it's simply too easy to defend a team that can't hit threes. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 1, 2013 19:10:16 GMT -5
Thanks for all of these replies. I think the thing I am most excited for will be the increased athleticism next year. From the sounds of it the new guys will be very athletic which is something that has been lacking recently. My biggest hope is that all four are ready to contribute. We've never actually had that in a class -- the 2011 class was closest, I think. But given how thin our talent level is - especially since the 2012 class and 2013 class have a combined two contributors right now -- the 2014 class needs to deliver decent play across the board. I know people aren't in love with Lubick -- neither am I -- but if we lose Markel and Lubick and possibly Moses, Aaron and Josh from an already thin team, we need to make it up across the board. |
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Post by idhoya on Dec 1, 2013 20:01:26 GMT -5
My thhougts exactly 3x.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 2, 2013 0:18:29 GMT -5
The 2014 class might not be done. There still time for JT3 and staff to pull a surprise out of the recruiting hat. BTW, Kudos to Dan for changing the Table!  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 4:41:24 GMT -5
Shot is a work in progress but his ability to defend and attack the basket will be what gets him minutes however many that is.. 3 point shooting outside of DSR and Cam might be a little shaky next year unless some players develop tbh... No doubt his slashing and athleticism are his better side of his skillset. I just think the way he grabs minutes over a senior Trawick -- who's a decent slasher and a good defender -- is by hitting a decent percentage from three. Offense these days relies on spacing. If DSR is the only shooter on the team, anyone who can hit a shot is going to get minutes. As much as defense, ahtleticism and slashing are valuable, it's simply too easy to defend a team that can't hit threes. I feel you but tbh there’s not that many options at the guard spot so he figures to get minutes regardless. We only have DSR and Jabril... |
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 2, 2013 21:34:14 GMT -5
Thanks for all of these replies. I think the thing I am most excited for will be the increased athleticism next year. From the sounds of it the new guys will be very athletic which is something that has been lacking recently. My biggest hope is that all four are ready to contribute. We've never actually had that in a class -- the 2011 class was closest, I think. But given how thin our talent level is - especially since the 2012 class and 2013 class have a combined two contributors right now -- the 2014 class needs to deliver decent play across the board. I know people aren't in love with Lubick -- neither am I -- but if we lose Markel and Lubick and possibly Moses, Aaron and Josh from an already thin team, we need to make it up across the board. Totally agree with this, and while I love this class, I'm skeptical that all will be able to contribute right off the bat. It's a big leap from high school to college, and the list of kids that we thought would contribute immediately and didn't, or did only to a limited extent, is pretty long. Most recently, I'm thinking about Henry, Markel and Domingo. So I'm just hoping for the best. |
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 2, 2013 22:02:09 GMT -5
Definitely hope we go after some guard prospects this spring. Need some more ball handlers. Thankfully serviceable guard prospects are easier to find than bigs. Excited for our class in general next year though for sure. I like our team makeup alot more on paper. Hope they live up to what I think we're getting!
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Post by hoyafan23 on Dec 2, 2013 23:29:24 GMT -5
anyone know any inside information if georgetown is going to go after another 2014 recruit since Greg is gone now?
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 2, 2013 23:38:04 GMT -5
anyone know any inside information if georgetown is going to go after another 2014 recruit since Greg is gone now? Not inside info but I think that the staff will continue evaluating what we have on the roster before going after another new recruit. We have two players in Bowen and Ayegba who have another year of eligibility if they choose. Both these players were projects who benefit from additional game and practice PT. I'm sure the staff is evaluating their seasons before they decide upon choosing an unproven HS player. Additionally, keep in mind that there are many high-major players that do not explode until their spring SR semester in HS so the staff has time to evaluate our assets before moving out to add a new one. Also, if I were the staff, the only type of unproven player I would take over Bowen and Ayegba would be a 5/C that would be proven and could impact the team from day one. |
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Post by calhoya on Dec 3, 2013 8:18:02 GMT -5
I am curious if there is a list somewhere of potential 5th year seniors who are on schedule to graduate and could transfer anywhere and play immediately. Seems to be a new emphasis for some schools. Oregon definitely has benefitted.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 3, 2013 8:36:45 GMT -5
I am curious if there is a list somewhere of potential 5th year seniors who are on schedule to graduate and could transfer anywhere and play immediately. Seems to be a new emphasis for some schools. Oregon definitely has benefitted. Interesting! One would think a GU grad degree would be a magnet for that kind of student athlete. Would JT3 consider it? |
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Dec 3, 2013 8:51:00 GMT -5
Weren't we on a kid in that situation this year? Finished at (or ended up at) Penn State? Can't remember. I think III would look at it, with only my own subjective reasoning to rely on.
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