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Post by EasyEd on Sept 22, 2013 8:35:05 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Sept 22, 2013 10:39:36 GMT -5
Had to say what? Cruz mocks the House Republicans for taking 40 meaningless votes to defund Obamacare, tells them that they are going to lose the battle in the Senate and then shifts all the blame on the House Republicans. This isn't "anonymous sources" attacking him - Sean Duffy and other House Republicans got on TV and did it, and House Republican leadership had a whole press conference with a "#SenateMustAct" placard. I think all parties in that fight are ridiculous and pathetic, but one is being completely hypocritical and cowardly (Cruz).
Rubio and Cruz are pretty much paving the way for Christie in 2016 with their failures.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 22, 2013 11:05:00 GMT -5
You really should try other "news" sources than breitbart.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 22, 2013 12:40:35 GMT -5
The comments section is too much. I cant believe people exist who think so hyperbolically black and white.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 22, 2013 13:09:53 GMT -5
You really should try other "news" sources than breitbart. 1. Palin's problem, among many others, is that Breitbart is one of the few places that will listen to her anymore after the Fox News divorce and her distancing from traditional conservative outlets (NR, AmSpec, Weekly Standard, etc.). Palin has become the GOP's version of Jesse Jackson, whose stands on issues are overshadowed by an insatiable desire for self-promotion that renders them as media pinatas. 2. By contrast, Ted Cruz is a grandstander of the highest level, or as the late Ann Richards used to say, "all hat and no cattle". Since mudslinging his way past David Dewhurst (a better candidate for Texas and one who would have served the state honorably), Cruz has done almost nothing for his adopted home state, short of appearing on those endless commercials that play on TV. He has made enemies by ignoring the longstanding rule of the Senate that junior members hould be seen and not heard-- even Hilary Clinton knew well enough to try to keep a low profile in her first term. 3. The GOP has not had a true leader in a generation. It definitely wasn't Romney or even GW Bush, and had John McCain not had a brain-freeze in his VP pick, he could have settled into the elder statesman role that no GOP senator has enjoyed since Bob Dole. Because the Congress is now such a collection of malcontents, the Republican strength resides in the governors.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 22, 2013 13:26:02 GMT -5
You really should try other "news" sources than breitbart. 2. By contrast, Ted Cruz is a grandstander of the highest level, or as the late Ann Richards used to say, "all hat and no cattle". Since mudslinging his way past David Dewhurst (a better candidate for Texas and one who would have served the state honorably), Cruz has done almost nothing for his adopted home state, short of appearing on those endless commercials that play on TV. He has made enemies by ignoring the longstanding rule of the Senate that junior members hould be seen and not heard-- even Hilary Clinton knew well enough to try to keep a low profile in her first term. The crazy thing is Cruz was incredibly well regarded at Harvard Law by intellectuals who aren't known to be conservative blowhards.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 22, 2013 17:57:04 GMT -5
www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Police-Lt-Gov-Dewhurst-Asked-to-Get-Relative-Out-of-Jail-220583781.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_DFWBrandI'm no Ted Cruz fan, but David Dewhurst is a joke of a politician. He has not had the respect of the Texas Senate, the body which he presides over, for over a decade. He has been consistently re-elected only because he is a multi-millionaire (adios Republican challengers) in a state where the Democratic Party is even more of a joke than he is. They are not appropriate for the message board, but there are quite a few stories floating around Austin about the honor (or rather, lack thereof) of Dewhurst, a long-time bachelor who married just before his run for the US Senate.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 22, 2013 18:59:36 GMT -5
You can shoot the messenger and the publication airing her views but Sarah Palin is spot on. Every Republican in sight said we should repeal Obamacare but now, when the rubber meets the road, Republican leaders have no backbone to do something about it. No bill can pass without House approval and the Republicans control the House so, if the Repubs could stick together no money would go to Obamacare. The press will blame the Republicans no matter what, but, it the Repubs really believe Obamacare is as bad for the country as they say, stick to your beliefs. Show some guts.
As for Ted Cruz, he may be showboating a bit and he may be going about this, along with Mike Lee, in an unorthodox way, but his message is correct.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 22, 2013 21:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Sept 23, 2013 6:52:33 GMT -5
very Republican in sight said we should repeal Obamacare but now, when the rubber meets the road, Republican leaders have no backbone to do something about it. "When the rubber meets the road?" Republicans still aren't going to be able to repeal ObamaCare. Cruz and Lee are going to filibuster for a while and grandstand, they'll cave, and then every Republican on earth is going to hammer them. Total popcorn time.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 23, 2013 8:09:33 GMT -5
very Republican in sight said we should repeal Obamacare but now, when the rubber meets the road, Republican leaders have no backbone to do something about it. "When the rubber meets the road?" Republicans still aren't going to be able to repeal ObamaCare. Cruz and Lee are going to filibuster for a while and grandstand, they'll cave, and then every Republican on earth is going to hammer them. Total popcorn time. And that's the problem with Republican leadership: only concerned about being reelected instead of their repeated statements they want to repeal Obamacare. Weak leadership that needs to be replaced.
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Post by ksf42001 on Sept 23, 2013 8:28:44 GMT -5
"When the rubber meets the road?" Republicans still aren't going to be able to repeal ObamaCare. Cruz and Lee are going to filibuster for a while and grandstand, they'll cave, and then every Republican on earth is going to hammer them. Total popcorn time. And that's the problem with Republican leadership: only concerned about being reelected instead of their repeated statements they want to repeal Obamacare. Weak leadership that needs to be replaced. The only "leadership" problem I see is that they let Cruz bully them into an unwinnable situation. Even if 100% of the GOP in Congress is rabidly anti-obamacare, that doesn't change the numbers problem. As far as I can see, Cruz's plan involves the step of "and then a miracle happens" to work.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 23, 2013 9:41:15 GMT -5
Apologies to Mr. Dewhurst. I should have written "before his last run for Lt. Governor," but the general sentiment remains the same. I'm happy to provide additional detail via PM if you're interested.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 23, 2013 10:05:47 GMT -5
And that's the problem with Republican leadership: only concerned about being reelected instead of their repeated statements they want to repeal Obamacare. Weak leadership that needs to be replaced. The only "leadership" problem I see is that they let Cruz bully them into an unwinnable situation. Even if 100% of the GOP in Congress is rabidly anti-obamacare, that doesn't change the numbers problem. As far as I can see, Cruz's plan involves the step of "and then a miracle happens" to work. The "numbers problem" is this: if almost 100% of House Republicans absolutely refuse to sign off on a bill that includes funding for Obamacare, there will be no funding for Obamacare. If the Senate and the President refuse to go along, they can choose to shut the government down. Of course, through their logic, the press will say the Repubs closed it down.
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Post by bmartin on Sept 23, 2013 10:06:58 GMT -5
[/quote]And that's the problem with Republican leadership: only concerned about being reelected instead of their repeated statements they want to repeal Obamacare. Weak leadership that needs to be replaced.[/quote]
Those are not two different things. Their repeated statements about Obamacare are for reelection and other personal political purposes. Obamacare is just the latest fill-in-the-blank boogeyman for the emotional and apocalyptic appeals to paranoia that substitute for ideology in the Republican Party. You could not find 10 Republicans in the House who could accurately describe what the Affordable Care Act would do.
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 23, 2013 10:17:02 GMT -5
The only "leadership" problem I see is that they let Cruz bully them into an unwinnable situation. Even if 100% of the GOP in Congress is rabidly anti-obamacare, that doesn't change the numbers problem. As far as I can see, Cruz's plan involves the step of "and then a miracle happens" to work. The "numbers problem" is this: if almost 100% of House Republicans absolutely refuse to sign off on a bill that includes funding for Obamacare, there will be no funding for Obamacare. If the Senate and the President refuse to go along, they can choose to shut the government down. Of course, through their logic, the press will say the Repubs closed it down. There's actually not that much of Obamacare that isn't mandatory. www.politico.com/story/2013/09/government-shutdown-obamacare-aca-97030.htmlAlso, the Republicans will own the government shutdown, and consequently, they'll lose the fight, and possibly lose the House. They aren't going to stop Obamacare without a Republican President.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 23, 2013 10:53:06 GMT -5
2. By contrast, Ted Cruz is a grandstander of the highest level, or as the late Ann Richards used to say, "all hat and no cattle". Since mudslinging his way past David Dewhurst (a better candidate for Texas and one who would have served the state honorably), Cruz has done almost nothing for his adopted home state, short of appearing on those endless commercials that play on TV. He has made enemies by ignoring the longstanding rule of the Senate that junior members hould be seen and not heard-- even Hilary Clinton knew well enough to try to keep a low profile in her first term. The crazy thing is Cruz was incredibly well regarded at Harvard Law by intellectuals who aren't known to be conservative blowhards. Ted Cruz: The Distinguished Wacko Bird from TexasHe truly is an elitist loon.
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Post by ksf42001 on Sept 23, 2013 10:53:24 GMT -5
The only "leadership" problem I see is that they let Cruz bully them into an unwinnable situation. Even if 100% of the GOP in Congress is rabidly anti-obamacare, that doesn't change the numbers problem. As far as I can see, Cruz's plan involves the step of "and then a miracle happens" to work. The "numbers problem" is this: if almost 100% of House Republicans absolutely refuse to sign off on a bill that includes funding for Obamacare, there will be no funding for Obamacare. If the Senate and the President refuse to go along, they can choose to shut the government down. Of course, through their logic, the press will say the Repubs closed it down. Let's say that 100% of House Republicans do that, and we get a gov't shutdown. Then what happens? Your goal is to get rid of Obamacare, are you any closer to that than before the gov't shutdown? How exactly do you get to that end goal in this situation? I still don't see anything more than "and then a miracle happens"...
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Post by TC on Sept 23, 2013 12:00:34 GMT -5
I'm glad I never studied with Ted Cruz, because I cannot understand his maze of circular logic : any Republican that does not filibuster the bill which defunds Obamacare is supporting Obamacare.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 23, 2013 18:11:02 GMT -5
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