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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Aug 17, 2014 16:12:41 GMT -5
Florida straight poaching. This makes two for Billy Donovan!!!!!!!
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Post by strummer8526 on Aug 17, 2014 16:14:49 GMT -5
Florida straight poaching. Not a surprise.. I still think he kinda played the staff, kills me that Florida ended up with both Dickerson & Egbunu but it is what it is.. Best of luck to the kid.. I don't wish him good luck. I don't wish him bad luck either, but I don't see why any of us would hope for the success of a person who is not only competing against us, but also jerked us around in the process.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 17, 2014 20:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by 757hoyafan on Aug 17, 2014 20:14:40 GMT -5
Not a surprise.. I still think he kinda played the staff, kills me that Florida ended up with both Dickerson & Egbunu but it is what it is.. Best of luck to the kid.. I don't wish him good luck. I don't wish him bad luck either, but I don't see why any of us would hope for the success of a person who is not only competing against us, but also jerked us around in the process. What's wrong w/being the bigger man? He had to do what's best for him.. Good luck to the fella..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 17, 2014 20:33:56 GMT -5
Let's just make sure it is his loss, not ours.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Aug 18, 2014 13:09:23 GMT -5
To me this confirms that the signing of Govan, coupled with the incoming 2014 class, was the primary if not the only reasons for him decommiting. He admits that he changed his mind after Govan committed and says because they did not have anyone signed at the low position(Ergbonu?) they had a place for him. He says Donavan told him he could be a stretch four and therefore play along side Ergbonu. Now if you assume, like he, that Ergbonu was a true center, like Govan with size and back to the basket game, then what team would give him the best chance to win the starting four position? Florida who did not have any top ten recruits signed at that position(four) in 2015 or Georgetown who had Copeland, White for 2014, and possibility of Rabb or Comanche in 2015. The guy is a tweener, not tall enough to be a dominate center, not quick enough to be a dominate stretch four on a team that employs the four in a face up position more often than back to the basket fashion. Without Govan next year would he have been a starter at center for the Hoyas despite Hayes coming back?, yes probably so, but with Govan in the fold, his position would be stretch four or backup center/ stetch forward. I am sure Donavan used the Macklin example of how a player who was not starting at Georgetown despite being a four star recruit did start at Florida. That was, as now, a down year for big men at Florida, so he took what was available. Macklin did start and was ok but really did no more than what he probably would have done at Georgetown had he stayed four years. His departure really gave Henry the chance he needed, to play the five instead of the four in III's offense. The sad part is that Donavan is not a developer of big men ,like the kid said. He is a run and shoot coach who will replace Noah with the true stretch four when that recruit becomes available. I wish the young man well and I understand his thinking, but I doubt that it will play out like he thinks it will. I hope III uses this as motivation for this years team when they play Florida this year. Florida has now taken two committed recruits from the Hoyas in the last few years, so show them what they could have been a part of.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 18, 2014 13:11:12 GMT -5
Chips are falling...hold on tight.
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Post by dungeon ball on Aug 18, 2014 13:21:23 GMT -5
To me this confirms that the signing of Govan, coupled with the incoming 2014 class, was the primary if not the only reasons for him decommiting. I'm guessing that the very active, continued recruitment of Rabb and Skal was also a factor
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Post by 3xhoya on Aug 18, 2014 13:25:38 GMT -5
Chips are falling...hold on tight. Would you care to expand on this?
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Post by TC on Aug 18, 2014 13:40:18 GMT -5
He spilled some Doritos. Total disaster.
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 18, 2014 13:43:49 GMT -5
He spilled some Doritos. Total disaster. Cool Ranch or Spicy Street Taco? (See Casual isn't the only one that can ask questions)
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Post by prhoya on Aug 18, 2014 13:46:36 GMT -5
To me this confirms that the signing of Govan, coupled with the incoming 2014 class, was the primary if not the only reasons for him decommiting. He admits that he changed his mind after Govan committed and says because they did not have anyone signed at the low position(Ergbonu?) they had a place for him. He says Donavan told him he could be a stretch four and therefore play along side Ergbonu. Now if you assume, like he, that Ergbonu was a true center, like Govan with size and back to the basket game, then what team would give him the best chance to win the starting four position? Florida who did not have any top ten recruits signed at that position(four) in 2015 or Georgetown who had Copeland, White for 2014, and possibility of Rabb or Comanche in 2015. The guy is a tweener, not tall enough to be a dominate center, not quick enough to be a dominate stretch four on a team that employs the four in a face up position more often than back to the basket fashion. Without Govan next year would he have been a starter at center for the Hoyas despite Hayes coming back?, yes probably so, but with Govan in the fold, his position would be stretch four or backup center/ stetch forward. I am sure Donavan used the Macklin example of how a player who was not starting at Georgetown despite being a four star recruit did start at Florida. That was, as now, a down year for big men at Florida, so he took what was available. Macklin did start and was ok but really did no more than what he probably would have done at Georgetown had he stayed four years. His departure really gave Henry the chance he needed, to play the five instead of the four in III's offense. The sad part is that Donavan is not a developer of big men ,like the kid said. He is a run and shoot coach who will replace Noah with the true stretch four when that recruit becomes available. I wish the young man well and I understand his thinking, but I doubt that it will play out like he thinks it will. I hope III uses this as motivation for this years team when they play Florida this year. Florida has now taken two committed recruits from the Hoyas in the last few years, so show them what they could have been a part of. He also had White and committed Marcus D to compete for pt at the 4 (and 3). Marcus will bring something not seen under JT3: a big body guy (6'8", 250) who is great from the perimeter. If it goes according to reports, he could be the best perimeter FG% big under JT3. Or, as ESPN puts it: "Derrickson is an under the rim finisher deep in the lane but the special part about his game is his ability to face and knock down shot with his excellent shooting touch with range to the arc. He can straight line power drive as well." I can see both of these players as the passing big from the top of the key. The thing is, if you leave Marcus open, he'll drain it. The defense will need a body on him. No more backing off our big at the top of the key or the perimeter. The next big needs to be a full C, not a PF. We have that covered.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 18, 2014 13:49:10 GMT -5
To me this confirms that the signing of Govan, coupled with the incoming 2014 class, was the primary if not the only reasons for him decommiting. He admits that he changed his mind after Govan committed and says because they did not have anyone signed at the low position(Ergbonu?) they had a place for him. He says Donavan told him he could be a stretch four and therefore play along side Ergbonu. Now if you assume, like he, that Ergbonu was a true center, like Govan with size and back to the basket game, then what team would give him the best chance to win the starting four position? Florida who did not have any top ten recruits signed at that position(four) in 2015 or Georgetown who had Copeland, White for 2014, and possibility of Rabb or Comanche in 2015. The guy is a tweener, not tall enough to be a dominate center, not quick enough to be a dominate stretch four on a team that employs the four in a face up position more often than back to the basket fashion. Without Govan next year would he have been a starter at center for the Hoyas despite Hayes coming back?, yes probably so, but with Govan in the fold, his position would be stretch four or backup center/ stetch forward. I am sure Donavan used the Macklin example of how a player who was not starting at Georgetown despite being a four star recruit did start at Florida. That was, as now, a down year for big men at Florida, so he took what was available. Macklin did start and was ok but really did no more than what he probably would have done at Georgetown had he stayed four years. His departure really gave Henry the chance he needed, to play the five instead of the four in III's offense. The sad part is that Donavan is not a developer of big men ,like the kid said. He is a run and shoot coach who will replace Noah with the true stretch four when that recruit becomes available. I wish the young man well and I understand his thinking, but I doubt that it will play out like he thinks it will. I hope III uses this as motivation for this years team when they play Florida this year. Florida has now taken two committed recruits from the Hoyas in the last few years, so show them what they could have been a part of. Where are you getting your info from OldHoya? I can't see Donovan telling a kid with Noah's skill set he can be a stretch 4 but anything is possible..
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Aug 18, 2014 13:51:41 GMT -5
To me this confirms that the signing of Govan, coupled with the incoming 2014 class, was the primary if not the only reasons for him decommiting. He admits that he changed his mind after Govan committed and says because they did not have anyone signed at the low position(Ergbonu?) they had a place for him. He says Donavan told him he could be a stretch four and therefore play along side Ergbonu. Now if you assume, like he, that Ergbonu was a true center, like Govan with size and back to the basket game, then what team would give him the best chance to win the starting four position? Florida who did not have any top ten recruits signed at that position(four) in 2015 or Georgetown who had Copeland, White for 2014, and possibility of Rabb or Comanche in 2015. The guy is a tweener, not tall enough to be a dominate center, not quick enough to be a dominate stretch four on a team that employs the four in a face up position more often than back to the basket fashion. Without Govan next year would he have been a starter at center for the Hoyas despite Hayes coming back?, yes probably so, but with Govan in the fold, his position would be stretch four or backup center/ stetch forward. I am sure Donavan used the Macklin example of how a player who was not starting at Georgetown despite being a four star recruit did start at Florida. That was, as now, a down year for big men at Florida, so he took what was available. Macklin did start and was ok but really did no more than what he probably would have done at Georgetown had he stayed four years. His departure really gave Henry the chance he needed, to play the five instead of the four in III's offense. The sad part is that Donavan is not a developer of big men ,like the kid said. He is a run and shoot coach who will replace Noah with the true stretch four when that recruit becomes available. I wish the young man well and I understand his thinking, but I doubt that it will play out like he thinks it will. I hope III uses this as motivation for this years team when they play Florida this year. Florida has now taken two committed recruits from the Hoyas in the last few years, so show them what they could have been a part of. Where are you getting your info from OldHoya? I can't see Donovan telling a kid with Noah's skill set he can be a stretch 4 but anything is possible.. Did Chris Walker sit out a year and will that effect Noah playing at the same position?
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Post by turbohoya on Aug 18, 2014 14:01:17 GMT -5
He spilled some Doritos. Total disaster. Cool Ranch or Spicy Street Taco? (See Casual isn't the only one that can ask questions) I hope it's the Tacko kind...
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Post by birdman on Aug 18, 2014 21:30:41 GMT -5
Where are you getting your info from OldHoya? I can't see Donovan telling a kid with Noah's skill set he can be a stretch 4 but anything is possible.. Did Chris Walker sit out a year and will that effect Noah playing at the same position? Walker is a 3/4, but (for now anyway) is projected to be gone to the NBA next summer.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Aug 18, 2014 22:01:24 GMT -5
EtomicB the article posted by Dan has him saying that is what they want from him, developing into a stretch four.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 18, 2014 22:17:37 GMT -5
Good luck to the kid (except as it affects our squad). I'm glad he figured out that he'd rather be elsewhere before arriving on the Hilltop. I don't look at this one as Donovan poaching at all. Noah, seemingly, wanted to explore other options. It did cost our staff time and effort but that's part of the job I suppose. Bring us some Ivan!
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Aug 19, 2014 10:12:49 GMT -5
best of luck to this kid... he was not gonna get much playtime anyway.. i see him as a less athletic and shorter/chubbier version of vernon macklin whose 2 years at hilltop did not mean much. as someone else above mentioned, only positoin he can play is 5, and he will be behind govan/hayes and possibly/hopefully rabb/skal. playing behind copeland/peak/derrickson at 4 would have been even worse.
time to get some guards
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Post by dense on Aug 19, 2014 10:45:40 GMT -5
best of luck to this kid... he was not gonna get much playtime anyway.. i see him as a less athletic and shorter/chubbier version of vernon macklin whose 2 years at hilltop did not mean much. as someone else above mentioned, only positoin he can play is 5, and he will be behind govan/hayes and possibly/hopefully rabb/skal. playing behind copeland/peak/derrickson at 4 would have been even worse. time to get some guards Dont agree with this. He is infinitely more athletic Jared Sullinger was at the same point and He is an NBA 4.
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