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Post by Elvado on Jun 22, 2014 20:45:03 GMT -5
I am not comparing the two. I am comparing the vitriol tossed at the two. Nice try though...
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Post by tashoya on Jun 22, 2014 22:43:01 GMT -5
Generally speaking, there's no way in hell that those emails were somehow lost. I'm not aware of any large business that can't retrieve past emails if needed. Read the link I posted. The policy is obviously crafted so that emails are not stored, probably to avoid emails being subpoenaed. It's obvious the emails were lost, that if there were a sane storage policy they wouldn't be, and that both political parties take any measures they can to avoid emails being stored in a legally accessible manner. It's a very strange practice to have the .pst files saved locally. Not to mention that the annual cost of backing them up seems vastly overstated. In any case, while their hard drives may have blown up, the emails in question sent to the two individuals would be retained, by MS Outlook default, in the senders' "sent" folders. As for emails the two individuals sent, they'd be retained in the recipients' archives. Restoration of those .pst files is incredibly easy and, once done, are also easily searchable.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 23, 2014 4:51:27 GMT -5
Read the link I posted. The policy is obviously crafted so that emails are not stored, probably to avoid emails being subpoenaed. It's obvious the emails were lost, that if there were a sane storage policy they wouldn't be, and that both political parties take any measures they can to avoid emails being stored in a legally accessible manner. It's a very strange practice to have the .pst files saved locally. Not to mention that the annual cost of backing them up seems vastly overstated. In any case, while their hard drives may have blown up, the emails in question sent to the two individuals would be retained, by MS Outlook default, in the senders' "sent" folders. As for emails the two individuals sent, they'd be retained in the recipients' archives. Restoration of those .pst files is incredibly easy and, once done, are also easily searchable. Stop posting factual information. Gets in the way of our insults.
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Post by Filo on Jun 23, 2014 7:31:10 GMT -5
Like I said above far from a Obama apologist but the amount of vitriol aimed at him you'd think he drove the country into ruin. Frankly both Bush and Obama left/leave a lot to be desired and both have received a ton of negativity aimed their way, but there is a much angrier nastier undertone to the Obama criticism that reaches unnecessary disrespect. I think both "leaders" were / are abysmal, but I cannot remotely agree with this. The vitriol aimed at Bush from the left was just as harsh as the vitriol aimed at Obama, maybe even moreso. On a related note, it sometimes seems that the political divide is so much worse now, but I am betting that not much has changed over the past 238 years in this regard. The big difference is technology and the accessibility and availability of information and opinion.
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Post by TC on Jun 23, 2014 10:31:01 GMT -5
In any case, while their hard drives may have blown up, the emails in question sent to the two individuals would be retained, by MS Outlook default, in the senders' "sent" folders. As for emails the two individuals sent, they'd be retained in the recipients' archives. From my reading of the Business Week article, the 500 MB (which is so tiny it is laughable) includes the sent folder - so the sent emails would have been deleted also - if a copy was even kept on the server and not just locally - as you mentioned it's a default to store them on the server, but I don't think it's a requirement. The "recipient's archives" were local storage of whatever emails they thought were important locally on their laptops. My only disagreement here is that I do not think anyone is lying that these emails are technically unrecoverable. The policy seems designed so that nothing is recoverable unless a physical laptop can be found. Really makes you appreciate gmail where nothing is ever really deleted.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 23, 2014 10:55:33 GMT -5
I bet the NSA has a copy.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 23, 2014 15:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 23, 2014 15:17:18 GMT -5
What about the other associates of Lerner whose hard drives also crashed? Was that a mere coincidence? And what about Lerner taking the fifth amendment? If what you post were true, why not testify and tell this truth?
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Post by quickplay on Jun 23, 2014 15:41:15 GMT -5
Without commentary to the other aspects of this situation, I don't think using someone's decision to plead the fifth is ever a good offensive attack.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 23, 2014 15:47:40 GMT -5
Lerner's need to and decision to take the Fifth are clearly rights she enjoys.
However, her decision to do so certainly casts doubt upon all of her efforts, statements and decisions.
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Post by quickplay on Jun 23, 2014 15:48:45 GMT -5
100% disagree. Obviously people are free to think whatever they want about things, but there is more to the 5th amendment than "USE IF GUILTY OR HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE"
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Post by Elvado on Jun 23, 2014 16:05:13 GMT -5
Absolutely, like use if your boss told you to cover his narrow ass...
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 23, 2014 18:12:30 GMT -5
Without commentary to the other aspects of this situation, I don't think using someone's decision to plead the fifth is ever a good offensive attack. By itself, I agree. But, combined with the hard drive crash, no backup for the emails, others suffering the same hard drive crash, it certainly doesn't appear to pass the smell test.
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Post by TC on Jun 23, 2014 19:44:01 GMT -5
What about the other associates of Lerner whose hard drives also crashed? Was that a mere coincidence? What about them? I've read a bunch on this now, and there's reports that six other hard drives crashed, but the reports don't say : - out of how many requested by Congress - who these people were or what position they held - what time frame they crashed in and whether there was documentation of the drives crashing like there was of Lerner's
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Post by tashoya on Jun 23, 2014 19:56:19 GMT -5
What about the other associates of Lerner whose hard drives also crashed? Was that a mere coincidence? What about them? I've read a bunch on this now, and there's reports that six other hard drives crashed, but the reports don't say : - out of how many requested by Congress - who these people were or what position they held - what time frame they crashed in and whether there was documentation of the drives crashing like there was of Lerner's I've certainly read much less than you have but, as you posted earlier, it's more the policy that is odd all other things being equal. As you point out in your most current post, it would be (possibly) more instructive to know those other things to better determine if there is, maybe, any smoke or fire.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Jun 25, 2014 17:24:23 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 19, 2014 9:05:04 GMT -5
I'm no attorney, and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, but Perry getting indicted seems like a weak case. But still... I'd love to be proven wrong on this being a weak case, though.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 24, 2014 0:01:07 GMT -5
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