Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2015 16:40:02 GMT -5
Elvado- so you're saying that we should only recruit players who list academics as their #1 concern? I'm going on a thick limb here...my guess is that III and the staff don't scour through lists of students with high academic achievement and then cross reference that with good basketball players. And yeah, he is buying into what Carolina does (winning, championships, sending players to the NBA) Come on man. Nope. I am saying that Georgetown University did not lose anything today when he chose the Carolina way. Our basketball team may have. I don't fault him for his choice, I just don't weep over it.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 11, 2015 17:36:38 GMT -5
Elvado- so you're saying that we should only recruit players who list academics as their #1 concern? I'm going on a thick limb here...my guess is that III and the staff don't scour through lists of students with high academic achievement and then cross reference that with good basketball players. And yeah, he is buying into what Carolina does (winning, championships, sending players to the NBA) Come on man. Nope. I am saying that Georgetown University did not lose anything today when he chose the Carolina way. Our basketball team may have. I don't fault him for his choice, I just don't weep over it. Seems to me you've replaced weeping with whining..
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Nov 11, 2015 17:52:51 GMT -5
Maybe you guys know a lot more about these recruits than I do. But when one makes a statement about how important "academics" are to them, everyone starts expecting him to go to Georgetown, since it is better at producing lawyers and hedge fund managers than State U and has a higher rating in US News and World Report. The fact is, these highly rated, Top 50 guys, all expect to be playing professionally. I'm guessing that in many cases, even the crappiest college out there, still has "good academics" compared to their high school. Good academics also means there are easy classes and tutors available to keep them eligible to play until they get to the League. BTW..I recognize there are some exceptions, but probably not many, rated that highly...and these we may get, such as a Greg Monroe.
So, I do not understand the shock, when these guys choose a lower tier institution of higher learning, despite professing a love of academics.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2015 17:53:47 GMT -5
Perhaps. That said, I hope the young man does well at UNC, but will care not a bit if they end up on probation and he never sees the tourney.
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Post by daymondmyles on Nov 11, 2015 18:48:33 GMT -5
I'm with Elvado on this.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Nov 11, 2015 23:54:56 GMT -5
Maybe you guys know a lot more about these recruits than I do. But when one makes a statement about how important "academics" are to them, everyone starts expecting him to go to Georgetown, since it is better at producing lawyers and hedge fund managers than State U and has a higher rating in US News and World Report. The fact is, these highly rated, Top 50 guys, all expect to be playing professionally. I'm guessing that in many cases, even the crappiest college out there, still has "good academics" compared to their high school. Good academics also means there are easy classes and tutors available to keep them eligible to play until they get to the League. BTW..I recognize there are some exceptions, but probably not many, rated that highly...and these we may get, such as a Greg Monroe. So, I do not understand the shock, when these guys choose a lower tier institution of higher learning, despite professing a love of academics. Almost all of these kids talk about how they want a school with "good academics." It's just lip service. And even if it's not, they're usually naive enough to let someone from, say, UCONN or LSU sell them on their schools stellar academic reputation.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 12, 2015 9:46:24 GMT -5
Maybe you guys know a lot more about these recruits than I do. But when one makes a statement about how important "academics" are to them, everyone starts expecting him to go to Georgetown, since it is better at producing lawyers and hedge fund managers than State U and has a higher rating in US News and World Report. The fact is, these highly rated, Top 50 guys, all expect to be playing professionally. I'm guessing that in many cases, even the crappiest college out there, still has "good academics" compared to their high school. Good academics also means there are easy classes and tutors available to keep them eligible to play until they get to the League. BTW..I recognize there are some exceptions, but probably not many, rated that highly...and these we may get, such as a Greg Monroe. So, I do not understand the shock, when these guys choose a lower tier institution of higher learning, despite professing a love of academics. Almost all of these kids talk about how they want a school with "good academics." It's just lip service. And even if it's not, they're usually naive enough to let someone from, say, UCONN or LSU sell them on their schools stellar academic reputation. While as a general matter you may have a point (though I don't know how you can assume it's always "just lip service"), in this particular case there is little doubt that UNC is a legitimately good school from an academic point of view. I wish Seventh Woods and his family all the best. I also hope that in a couple years we knock Woods and the Tarheels out of the tournament in OT on our way to another Final Four.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 12, 2015 11:01:09 GMT -5
These discussions always baffle me.
1. While "good academics" may at times be lip service, there's also the fact that when the average NCAA athlete says "good academics" they don't mean the same thing as you. For a lot of these guys, they mean academic support and focus that will help them stay eligible and graduate. Often, that is what their parents and they are looking for. Not a ton of college athletes would otherwise be hunting Top 25 schools and often they may be the first kid in their family to go to college. I realize most of us grew up with a focus on this but that doesn't always mean what we think it means.
2. In Seventh's case, he's a great student and may actually have a similar point of view as many of us do when he says "good academics." But people here are ignoring that UNC is a really good school. And basketball is still a pretty big priority.
3. Lastly, while I actually think these kids are getting taken for a ride ... you have to remember that all of us make most of our decisions emotionally. When Droopy Dog looks into your eyes and tells you he had no idea the academic fraud was going on, that there's no way UNC is punished ... you believe because you want to believe because UNC is your dream school since age 6 and because UNC means you are the best and you've made it in ways Georgetown and definitely South Carolina don't and because you can get all that but your parents can still drive to games.
I think if they get hit with sanctions they will let him out of his LOI/let him transfer, but I suspect that most of us here have avoided facts on some pretty big decisions because of what felt right or what we wanted.
UNC is a very good school, a great basketball program and I'm sure his choice will work out pretty well in the long run. Just like Georgetown would have.
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 12, 2015 11:10:23 GMT -5
Good luck to 7th. When the NCAA imposes the death penalty on UNC (one can dream), we'd be happy to welcome you into the Hoya fold.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 12, 2015 14:42:00 GMT -5
Sounds to me like it was either UNC or USC and we were not in it at the end.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 12, 2015 15:54:17 GMT -5
Sounds to me like it was either UNC or USC and we were not in it at the end. I have absolutely no basis for saying this, but I think there's a very good possibility that geography and a desire to be closer to home was a large factor.
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Post by dungeon ball on Nov 12, 2015 16:26:11 GMT -5
I also feel like some people don't realize how huge North Carolina basketball is in that part of the world. Duke is national, but UNC basketball is kind of like college football in other southern states
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Post by HoyaSC on Nov 13, 2015 7:15:25 GMT -5
Sounds to me like it was either UNC or USC and we were not in it at the end. I have absolutely no basis for saying this, but I think there's a very good possibility that geography and a desire to be closer to home was a large factor. Your basis is right, at least according to all the Gamecock fans here in Columbia who were certain he would stay at home over choosing UNC.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 13, 2015 9:48:08 GMT -5
I have absolutely no basis for saying this, but I think there's a very good possibility that geography and a desire to be closer to home was a large factor. Your basis is right, at least according to all the Gamecock fans here in Columbia who were certain he would stay at home over choosing UNC. Not that it matters one bit now but, all along, Seventh kept everything close to the vest and no one seemed to know anything at any point. SC fans included, obviously. He and his family handled the process as well as any highly regarded recruit I can recall. Can't blame a guy for choosing his dream school even if it is a bit of a gamble.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 6, 2018 10:14:20 GMT -5
I always think it's interesting to go back and see how some of the "misses" are playing. I saw Seventh's name in another thread, so took a look.
Seventh Woods Sophmore MPG: 10.9 PPG: 2.4 APG: 1.7 RPG: 1.4 FG: 35% 3PT: 0% FT%: 75%
Currently injured, he has seen a small uptick (3 Mins) in playing time from last year to this year. Obviously still not a big part of their rotation, but maybe that all changes once Joel Berry graduates. However, Freshman that inherited some of his back-up minutes (Jalek Felton) has played very well, so he may have his work cut out for him. Sounds like there still remains concerns on his shot and defensive effort. I remember being blown away by his athleticism but sounds like he has had a hard time adjusting to the UNC offense and struggled w/turnovers. 2 more years to go and again a giant opportunity starting next year w/Berry gone.
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Post by turbohoya on Apr 25, 2019 17:26:04 GMT -5
And.... transfer
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Post by hoyas89 on Apr 25, 2019 17:48:16 GMT -5
Does he need to give the $$$ back when he leaves?
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