Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Apr 3, 2013 3:50:42 GMT -5
I don't want to keep a thread going about this guy but you can't be implying that winning makes it ok? And for comparison lets keep it to player treatment, what was the point.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 3, 2013 5:07:04 GMT -5
Katz:
1. Rutgers athletic director Tim Pernetti's decision to keep Mike Rice even after the coach's suspension and $50,000 fine made no sense. The two years remaining on Rice's contract -- with one year in the soon-to-be-named conference before entering the Big Ten in 2014 -- was another sign. No one within the industry expected Rice to be coaching in the Big Ten. So the question that remains unanswered is why did Pernetti keep Rice on when the inevitable was going to happen in a year? The release of the tapes by ESPN's "Outside the Lines" showed that the decision to simply suspend and fine was a mistake. Now Rice has no shot to coach in the Big Ten, or to recruit for next season. Rutgers will have to cut him loose -- and can do so for cause. When this happens, because it's incredibly difficult to see this being an "if" scenario, Rutgers must look to someone who either has strong ties to the university (like Eddie Jordan), has a clean image and/or can coach at the highest level in the Big Ten (like Jay Wright or Al Skinner). There are others out there, but Rutgers will need to find someone who has high character and can regain the respect the program needs before it enters the Big Ten. One side note: I remember talking to Rice when he came back from the suspension and he said he was going to change the way he delivered his message -- though not the intensity of how he would express himself. But it was clearly too late, since these videos had already been recorded.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 3, 2013 8:07:19 GMT -5
Good job opening for Harvard's Tommy Amaker..... Leave Tommy alone! I like him right where he is!
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 3, 2013 9:23:30 GMT -5
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Apr 3, 2013 9:41:29 GMT -5
Rutgers will get a very good coach. There are more good coaches than places to coach. The guys just need the opportunity. Still believe Amaker would be a good choice. Strong in NJ, NY, and familiar with Big 10 country.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 3, 2013 10:03:05 GMT -5
I guess Cox will be looking for a job.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 3, 2013 10:05:14 GMT -5
Except Rutgers has this track record of poor decisions on coaches--remember how Kevin Bannon left town? or how Fred Hill was sent packing after getting into an altercation at a Rutgers baseball game? In four years, Hill had 12 transfers out of the program.
In the Big East, nearly everyone had a chance at the NCAA's--if South Florida could do it, anyone could have. But Rutgers hasn't been to the NCAA since 1991 and has won just one tournament game of any kind since the first round of the 1979 NCAA's. (As a point of comparison, even DePaul made the NCAA's three times since 1991.) The most meaningful win in Rutgers' tenure in the Big East was against the Hoyas in the Big East quarterfinals...15 years ago.
Adam Zagoria has posted a list of candidates that, for various reasons, are all short of what it will take to fix the mess. Eddie Jordan (Rutgers grad) has no college experience, Bill Carmody couldn't win in the Big 10, John Giannini took nine years to get LaSalle into the NCAA's (in the A-10, no less), Seth Greenberg struggled at VTech and Tommy Amaker is not far removed from his struggles at the Hall.
Maybe Rutgers needs to go all-in on a name coach and see where it takes them. The last notable coach they had was Bill Foster nearly a half century ago--since then, six of its coaches did not pass five years in the job: Dick Lloyd (2 seasons), Craig Littlepage (3), Kevin Bannon (4), Gary Waters (5), Fred Hill (4), and Mike Rice (3).
Rutgers can sell the Big 10 and the fringe of the NYC market. But the RAC is wholly insufficient for Big 10 hoops, there is no track record of meaningful recruiting and there is no pipeline of players going to the NBA (its website shows a picture of Hamady Ndiaye as its latest pro star). Notwithstanding, Rutgers wil have to probably pay out Rice 's contract, even if they could show cause.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 3, 2013 10:24:43 GMT -5
Yet another stellar decision by Wally Judge. Man that kid has gotten some bad advice.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 3, 2013 10:25:20 GMT -5
Anone think that Tubby Smith regrets signing on with Texas Tech? What's Al Skinner up to?
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 3, 2013 11:26:17 GMT -5
Embarrassing it took this to fire him. AD and Prez should be fired too. Rutger's President, Robert Barchi, is a Hoya ... fyi
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HoyaPride
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Post by HoyaPride on Apr 3, 2013 11:28:28 GMT -5
Doesnt speak well for his top assistant Mr. Cox who was with GU not too long ago!
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Post by HoyaPride on Apr 3, 2013 11:29:25 GMT -5
My guess is that Danny Hurley gets the job
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Apr 3, 2013 12:25:01 GMT -5
Didn't Danny Hurley just take a job at RI last year? Hell, they should hire his father.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 4, 2013 9:50:42 GMT -5
Anone think that Tubby Smith regrets signing on with Texas Tech? What's Al Skinner up to? TT seems like an awful bball job. Football school in the middle of nowhere. Lots of resources, though. 15,000 seat arena. They averaged 7800 last yr. Too bad he didn't get the women's job. They usually are better than the men. At this point, I doubt Rice can even get an assistant's job.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 4, 2013 10:18:01 GMT -5
TT seems like an awful bball job. Football school in the middle of nowhere. Lots of resources, though. 15,000 seat arena. They averaged 7800 last yr. Too bad he didn't get the women's job. They usually are better than the men. "Football school in the middle of nowhere. " Some would have once said the same about Syracuse. Or West Virginia. Or Wichita State, at least when the Wheatshockers were still playing at Cessna Stadium. Tech has a very loyal alumni base statewide (particularly Dallas and points west) and if the Red Raiders are doing well, they will be supported. For a team with just three wins in conference (two vs. TCU), 7,800 a game isn't bad--it was still more than St. John's, Seton Hall, or DePaul could muster in much larger metropolitan areas.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 4, 2013 11:15:58 GMT -5
Knew that would elicit a response from you.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 4, 2013 16:25:03 GMT -5
Good job opening for Harvard's Tommy Amaker..... Leave Tommy alone! I like him right where he is! I don't see any reason why Tommy would leave his cushy and prestigious niche for the Rutgers mess. Isn't Tommy's wife involved in some impressive activities in Cambridge/Boston too? Seems like Tommy has opted out of the crush that major, D1 hoops can be. And if he hasn't, after his success at Harvard I'd be willing to bet he could land a much better job than RU. Here's hoping he stays in Cambridge.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 4, 2013 18:18:33 GMT -5
Rice didn’t turn the program around to compete in the old BE. The program needed to develop to compete in the conference America or whatever, followed by competing the B1G in 2015. The new coach will have to compete with UMD for players who want to stay near home and play in the B1G, which this year was really tough. I would throw in Penn State, but their coach is a good evaluator of DIV III talent. This will be a tough search for the right coach to rebuild the program.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 5, 2013 8:04:07 GMT -5
A happy wife is a happy life. Tommy has mentioned in interviews how much his wife loves Harvard/Boston. I really hope he stays.
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Post by Boz on Apr 5, 2013 8:43:01 GMT -5
A happy wife is a happy life. Tommy has mentioned in interviews how much his wife loves Harvard/Boston. I really hope he stays. My boss (who, by the way, knows more about DMV-area hoops over the past 40 years than anyone I have ever met) said something similar the other day WRT Shaka Smart and how much his wife loves being in Virginia. He said, for that reason alone, he wasn't surprised that he didn't want to be considered for UCLA and he would be surprised if Smart ever left VCU (or at least left there for another program not in this region).
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