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Post by jwp91 on Mar 11, 2013 10:29:11 GMT -5
Losing Whit was the best thing to happen to this team.
Whit is a great player and will hopefully return and make big contributions to the Hoyas. If he returned as a role player this year, that would be fine with me, but...
Losing Whit caused Otto to step up. It also caused JT3 to experiment with the line-up and find a way to use Trawick and DSR.
Even if we had Whit, I would want Trawick starting and DSR being the 6th man.
Without losing Whit, I don't know if he ever loses enough minutes to discover what we did.
Now, I don't know that JT3 agrees with me, and he has likely forgotten more basketball that I know, but this is how it looks to me as an avid Georgetown fan for the last 25 years.
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Post by guru on Mar 11, 2013 10:34:08 GMT -5
I agree with you. It sounds harsh on Whittington, but it's not.
The biggest change, I think, was that without GW available JT3 was forced to abandon his big lineup experiment. Remember at the beginning of the season when all the announcers noted we had a taller starting lineup than most NBA teams? Well, our offense wasn't working with that group, at all. And as stubborn as JT3 is (most of the time to his and the team's benefit) I'm not sure he would have ended that experiment on his own.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 11, 2013 10:35:51 GMT -5
I agree with the Greg Whittington aspect...I lot of people forget the Pitt fiasco..there was a lot of negative comments on this board for that game. But to see where this team come now..is awe inspiring as we head into the 3rd quarter of the season. Still got work to due with the BET and NCAA's coming up...
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Post by DoctorHoya on Mar 11, 2013 10:36:00 GMT -5
I agree with you both. I'm excited to see what the team looks like with whit replacing Otto and Reggie off the bench next year. I hope whit is shooting 200 jump shots a day right now with his extra practice time
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 11, 2013 10:45:47 GMT -5
I wonder how much of Otto's improvement relates to likely being defended by Whit in practice. I am thinking 15.6%.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 11, 2013 10:55:13 GMT -5
I wonder how much of Otto's improvement relates to likely being defended by Whit in practice. I am thinking 15.6%. This could be right, but I think that Otto's game has had more room to breathe, Greg & Otto have the same skill set. Overall though the offense is more fluid, Greg's outside shooting was in a slump at the time of the suspension
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Post by bmartin on Mar 11, 2013 10:57:04 GMT -5
Disagree and disagree with another thread on a divisive point that has already been discussed at length.
I think it is probable that the team would have improved with Whittington at least as much as it did without him. Whittington was not the problem when he played and the guys who took his minutes have been good role players but not world beaters.
Whittington was not preventing Porter or Starks from being more assertive on offense. DSR and Trawick were already getting 20 minutes per game and Hopkins' minutes had started to go down.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 11, 2013 11:06:07 GMT -5
The biggest difference is that Whittington's absence forced John Thompson III to make changes more quickly than might have happened. At the time, our offense was not really clicking, and our best offensive players were not the focus of the offense to the degree they are now (that is, Porter, DSR, Starks). I think Thompson would have adjusted anyway, but Whittington's ineligibility may have accelerated and forced that move.
Of course, the other major difference (which has nothing to do with Whittington) was the de-emphasis of Mikael Hopkins as a central figure in the offense, and the refocus on Otto Porter. If there is any one single thing that jump-started our offense, I think that was the biggest factor.
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Post by hoyatables on Mar 11, 2013 11:10:36 GMT -5
All else being equal, I'd love to have another offensive threat. Our two key threats after Otto are Kel-El (yeah, it's happening) and DSR, both of whom rely heavily on beyond the arc. If they are cold or otherwise struggle, we're not left with much.
But I do agree that it certainly seems like the offense has executed well notwithstanding Greg's absence, due in part to an increased role for Otto but also because Kel-El has been consistent and DSR has blossomed. Oh, and because Nate and Jabril in particular have done a fantastic job of finding these guys.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 11, 2013 11:11:31 GMT -5
The biggest difference is that Whittington's absence forced John Thompson III to make changes more quickly than might have happened. At the time, our offense was not really clicking, and our best offensive players were not the focus of the offense to the degree they are now (that is, Porter, DSR, Starks). I think Thompson would have adjusted anyway, but Whittington's ineligibility may have accelerated and forced that move.
Of course, the other major difference (which has nothing to do with Whittington) was the de-emphasis of Mikael Hopkins as a central figure in the offense, and the refocus on Otto Porter. If there is any one single thing that jump-started our offense, I think that was the biggest factor. It does appear that Mikael Hopkins influence and Minutes got de-emphasized as the season went on as Otto Porter was forced into a bigger role
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Mar 11, 2013 11:52:09 GMT -5
All else being equal, I'd love to have another offensive threat. Our two key threats after Otto are Kel-El (yeah, it's happening) and DSR, both of whom rely heavily on beyond the arc. If they are cold or otherwise struggle, we're not left with much. But I do agree that it certainly seems like the offense has executed well notwithstanding Greg's absence, due in part to an increased role for Otto but also because Kel-El has been consistent and DSR has blossomed. Oh, and because Nate and Jabril in particular have done a fantastic job of finding these guys. It's so very hard to speculate on this. I'm incredibly excited about our success this year, and it's easy to point to Greg's suspension as the catalytic event, when we'll really never know how the team would have performed had it not happened. Either way, I wouldn't mind having GW in our quiver come Tourney time, regardless of whether he'd be relegated to 7th or 8th man as a result of sitting out so long. He's a good player, a long defender, a solid shooter, a very good rebounder. Glad you've decided to run with Kel-El, 'tables .
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 11, 2013 12:09:09 GMT -5
Losing Whit was the best thing to happen to this team. Whit is a great player and will hopefully return and make big contributions to the Hoyas. If he returned as a role player this year, that would be fine with me, but... Losing Whit caused Otto to step up. It also caused JT3 to experiment with the line-up and find a way to use Trawick and DSR. Even if we had Whit, I would want Trawick starting and DSR being the 6th man. Without losing Whit, I don't know if he ever loses enough minutes to discover what we did. Now, I don't know that JT3 agrees with me, and he has likely forgotten more basketball that I know, but this is how it looks to me as an avid Georgetown fan for the last 25 years. The changes were happening while Whit was still playing. JTIII started experimenting with giving Moses legit PT during the Pitt game. The other change that happened regardless of Whit was that Hopkins was taking 9-10 shots a game early in the season which was taking shots away from Porter. That more than anything was what was taking scoring opportunities away from Porter. Also Porter played 6 minutes in the Dusqense game which kills your per game scoring average. It's not a question of Porter "stepping up" because of Whit but that JTIII started limiting Hopkins shots plus the Dusquene gooseegg which made Porter's scoring average increase.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 11, 2013 12:10:42 GMT -5
Chris Wright played in the Big East Tournament after an ankle injury that caused him to miss the entire Big East regular season. This is also probably the 4th or 5th time I've moved the goal posts back, but I'd have to think that if Greg isn't back this week, he's not coming back this season (especially considering that midterm grades have to be back soon).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 12:21:29 GMT -5
It happened without Whitt but whose to say it would not have happened with him.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Mar 11, 2013 12:28:12 GMT -5
Only thing to worry about with Whit is whether he can make it back for next year.
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Post by Boz on Mar 11, 2013 12:34:20 GMT -5
It happened without Whitt but whose to say it would not have happened with him. "I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away." "Hmm...how does it work?" "It doesn’t work. It’s just a stupid rock! But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?" "Lisa, I want to buy your rock!!"
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 11, 2013 12:52:52 GMT -5
There is no way the team is better without Whit.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 11, 2013 13:00:05 GMT -5
It happened without Whitt but whose to say it would not have happened with him. I am suggesting as much. Here is why: minutes are a zero sum game. Whit averaged 35 minutes a game before he left. It would be quite difficult (read virtually impossible) to get DSR and Trawick the minutes anywhere close to what they have had (assuming not touching Porter's or Stark's minutes) without losing Whit. This team needed what DSR and Trawick bring more than what was lost with Whit.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 11, 2013 13:05:00 GMT -5
They would all play. And we would be better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 13:19:38 GMT -5
It happened without Whitt but whose to say it would not have happened with him. I am suggesting as much. Here is why: minutes are a zero sum game. Whit averaged 35 minutes a game before he left. It would be quite difficult (read virtually impossible) to get DSR and Trawick the minutes anywhere close to what they have had (assuming not touching Porter's or Stark's minutes) without losing Whit. This team needed what DSR and Trawick bring more than what was lost with Whit. Greg was playing poorly before he left as was DSR, Otto, and the whole team in general.. I don’t believe the team would have continued at the same trajectory so I don’t share your view. The season was always going to end with Otto playing a lot of 4 and the offense running through him.. That leaves 3 wing spots between Greg, Bril, Dsr, and Markel.. Greg is the only one of those guys that can get you 20 and 10 and hold his man to 5 and 2..
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