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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 28, 2013 17:01:25 GMT -5
Is it financially impossible to ever go back to using only the 100- and 200-levels again? That's one idea that seems to be skipped between playing empty stadiums and playing at McDonough, should we ever plateau in fandom.... Excuse me but I LIKE my 400 level seats, thank you very much... The problem isn't with the 400 level seat holders, the problem is with you 100 level seat holders that don't actually use your damn fancy seats
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 28, 2013 18:37:21 GMT -5
my solution is to lower booster fees. mine are about $50 per game, including the cupcakes. when I had UCLA seasons, they cut the OCC price to $20 for season ticker holders. But UCLA has a much bigger athletic budget because get revenues from 2 BB, FB 2 VB and baseball.
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FLHoya
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 28, 2013 19:48:11 GMT -5
my solution is to lower booster fees. mine are about $50 per game, including the cupcakes. when I had UCLA seasons, they cut the OCC price to $20 for season ticker holders. But UCLA has a much bigger athletic budget because get revenues from 2 BB, FB 2 VB and baseball. What I'd heard through the ticket office was that the last time we bumped up donation level requirements for season tickets, it priced out some of the known ticket brokers who owned season tickets. They either gave up altogether or moved to sections with less stringent donation requirements. They make their money on a few games a season (like Cuse, UL, Pitt) and raising the amount they need to recoup--coupled with no guarantee we'd play the marquee teams in a given year--made it not worth it. By the same token, I betcha the Catholic Seven move will lead to fewer scalpers/brokers owning tickets. Too many tickets to eat between the normal OOC cupcakes and SHU, SJU, Prov, Nova, Depaul every year. (EDIT: Okay, maybe not Nova. But really, Nova.)
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 28, 2013 19:57:13 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about the brokers, I was talking about fans who bring the family. The seats in front of me are owned by resellers, there must be money still in it.
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 28, 2013 20:33:29 GMT -5
Yeah, but the Pavillion seats 6500, while we are trying to fill 20000 every game. If Nova played all their games at the Wells Fargo Center, they would have the same issues we have. This is just the reality of being a small school with a highly dispersed alumni trying to fill an NBA arena in a big city with lots of other things to do. Would we all like a 6-8k on campus arena? Sure. But even if we magically got this gift, would anyone advocate playing a team like Louisville or Cuse or who ever is the big draw in the new conference at the on campus arena? Of course not. So you want to make it a better home court advantage? Help out the marketing efforts to get local, non-alums to become fans interested in buying (and using) their season tickets. Light a fire under Hoya Blue to get them to figure out a way to consistently bring students out, and not just to see Louisville and Cuse. Student attendance is really out of Hoya Blue's hands. I was pretty involved with Hoya Blue during the late Escherick early JTIII days and the only thing that consistently gets students out to games is winning. Also, buses to the game would help. I still don't buy the "Hoya Blue is helpless" logic. This is not the Escherick Era. I remember when he basically said that Georgetown fans should not expect a yearly NCAA bid. That kind of atmosphere is impossible to work with. Since JTIII took over, the Hoyas have been in the Top 25 every single season, always contend for the Big East crown, are one of the biggest road draws in the conference, and recruit among the big boys. Sure we haven't made a deep run since 2007, but this is hardly DePaul Hoya Blue is trying to sell. Yes, bring the buses back, or at least the metro cards. Have more promotions for students, particularly for the games against lesser competition - free pizza for the first 100, chant cards, bring back the rival reels! This should not be a difficult product to sell to the students. It just might take a little creativity.
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Post by JB5 on Jan 28, 2013 21:09:30 GMT -5
To the left of my seats, we have different folks each game, Hoya fans about half the time, visiting fans the rest. The owners of the seats (Hoya fans) seem to have only been there for the Pitt game-- bad choice on their part.
To my right, the seats are almost always empty. Twice this season, the (presumed) holders have appeared, both times at or after the half, always carrying a glass of wine in each hand. They drink, chat and text away and don't seem to be much into the game. Which side are the better neighbors?
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Post by b52legend on Jan 28, 2013 23:55:58 GMT -5
Student attendance is really out of Hoya Blue's hands. I was pretty involved with Hoya Blue during the late Escherick early JTIII days and the only thing that consistently gets students out to games is winning. Also, buses to the game would help. I still don't buy the "Hoya Blue is helpless" logic. This is not the Escherick Era. I remember when he basically said that Georgetown fans should not expect a yearly NCAA bid. That kind of atmosphere is impossible to work with. Since JTIII took over, the Hoyas have been in the Top 25 every single season, always contend for the Big East crown, are one of the biggest road draws in the conference, and recruit among the big boys. Sure we haven't made a deep run since 2007, but this is hardly DePaul Hoya Blue is trying to sell. Yes, bring the buses back, or at least the metro cards. Have more promotions for students, particularly for the games against lesser competition - free pizza for the first 100, chant cards, bring back the rival reels! This should not be a difficult product to sell to the students. It just might take a little creativity. No student is making the trip for pizza and some cheer sheets, these are college kids, not junior high students. You want to have a good atmosphere, but that really all revolves around big games and booze. One of the advantages of schools playing on-campus is that underage students can easily pre- and post-game. May not be savory, but true.
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Post by HoyaPride on Jan 29, 2013 6:17:20 GMT -5
What if they built an on campus arena that sat like 10K ??
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 29, 2013 7:48:32 GMT -5
What if they built an on campus arena that sat like 10K ?? Interesting idea. I don't think we've ever discussed it to death on this board before.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 29, 2013 9:11:43 GMT -5
What if they built an on campus arena that sat like 10K ?? 1. No space for that- for the footprint but more so the parking and total lack of adequate public transport. 2. No way in hell the local politicians let anything like a 10K arena get anywhere. Whether they like the number of windows on it or not. 3. No money for it. 4. Even if built, still leaves too much money on table not to use Verizon for biggest games. You would have to get prob up to 13 or 14K.....see above.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jan 29, 2013 13:17:22 GMT -5
What if they built an on campus arena that sat like 10K ?? Interesting idea. I don't think we've ever discussed it to death on this board before. lol
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Post by hoyaken on Jan 31, 2013 10:09:53 GMT -5
I live in northern NJ and have had two season seats in 101 since the first year at US Air in Landover. I attend an average of two games per year and try to give the seats to relatives or friends in the DC area when I do not attend. I have also donated the seats for GU use. However, I admit that I have sold the seats on Stubhub a number of times...often for the early season games against lesser known teams. I then use the money to buy seats for GU games at Prudential, MSG or the RAC.
I have kept the seats for two reasons-I love to attend even if it is not often and I believe that my donation and seat purchases help the program. This has amounted to quite a lot of money over the years. The financial commitment has been significant but I believe that it has been worth it.
I understand that others get upset when an opposing fan sits in the lower bowl but frankly...too bad. The problem is that the demand for seats by GU fans is just not there. Go on Stubhub and look. For yesterday's game, great lower bowl seats were going for $10 above face value. Those seats should have been quickly snapped up by GU fans. There is just not the demand especially for mid-week games.
I am lucky that almost every game this year has been carried in the NY/NJ market by SNY or MSG. However, I cringe when I see the empty seats...especially when the student sections are one-third full. Sure, for a Saturday game against a top opponent the students are there. However, they sure were not there last night.
The answer would be the 10,000 seat arena on campus coupled with a Georgetown metro stop.....not happening in my lifetime. As a result, we have what we have.
I do not support the upper tier curtain. That has been done at Prudential and it looks bad.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jan 31, 2013 10:29:29 GMT -5
I live in northern NJ and have had two season seats in 101 since the first year at US Air in Landover. I attend an average of two games per year and try to give the seats to relatives or friends in the DC area when I do not attend. I have also donated the seats for GU use. However, I admit that I have sold the seats on Stubhub a number of times...often for the early season games against lesser known teams. I then use the money to buy seats for GU games at Prudential, MSG or the RAC. I have kept the seats for two reasons-I love to attend even if it is not often and I believe that my donation and seat purchases help the program. This has amounted to quite a lot of money over the years. The financial commitment has been significant but I believe that it has been worth it. I understand that others get upset when an opposing fan sits in the lower bowl but frankly...too bad. The problem is that the demand for seats by GU fans is just not there. Go on Stubhub and look. For yesterday's game, great lower bowl seats were going for $10 above face value. Those seats should have been quickly snapped up by GU fans. There is just not the demand especially for mid-week games. I am lucky that almost every game this year has been carried in the NY/NJ market by SNY or MSG. However, I cringe when I see the empty seats...especially when the student sections are one-third full. Sure, for a Saturday game against a top opponent the students are there. However, they sure were not there last night. The answer would be the 10,000 seat arena on campus coupled with a Georgetown metro stop.....not happening in my lifetime. As a result, we have what we have. I do not support the upper tier curtain. That has been done at Prudential and it looks bad. To be honest NOBODY should feel free to criticize a Hoya fan that has been buying season tickets for several decades. The program can't get enough of that kind of support. I say feel free to recoup whatever costs you can in whatever way you can. As long as you don't sell Cuse tix!
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