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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 27, 2013 12:09:44 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, Bowen's tip in bucket was ESPN's top play last night.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 12:29:20 GMT -5
He is one of the most athletic people in the world, so it's not too surprising. Really happy for AB. His emergence as an actual option is the silver lining of Greg's suspension. But that begs the question, again, why doesn't III use more of his players and trust the guys he recruits? Because your point suggests, and accurately I believe, that Bowen may have gotten only a few minutes of playing time the last few weeks if Greg had been playing. Obviously we all make predictions that end up being dead wrong. So far my enthusiasm for Hopkins at center hasn't translated into my expected results on the court. Not so far at least. But I've been one of those who have been waiting for and hoping for more playing time for Bowen since the beginning of last season. I don't care about numbers and who happen to be ahead of him. It is a waste of a scholarship IMO when a player never gets on the court for meaningful games. At the very least give a player a chance. If he works out, that's great; if he doesn't well at least now you know. And NOW we know. The guy is a player. Great length, great athleticism, great explosion. And his three-point shot looks as if it could be deadly down the road. This guy has been sitting on the bench all this time? I suppose he must have not been doing much during practice....which just tells you how unreliable practice performances can be at predicting in-game effectiveness. I have mentioned probably a half-dozen times before that it is no surprise that Marquette successfully recruited Bowen (he got out of the scholarship after a coaching change). Bowen is the type of athletic perimeter performer that Marquette routinely turns into NBA players. Unfortunately I still believe that Marquette would be a better fit for Bowen. I will give III his due. He is great at half-court defenses, he does stress sharing the ball, his in-season coaching always lead to teams having successful regular seasons (particularly November through January), his teams tend to exceed pre-season expectations, and in regards to his program he runs a tight ship. But his weaknesses are still glaring too one of which happens to be putting out an offense that is a legitimate threat to score during enough offensive possessions. On this I stand side-by-side in agreement with RDF....hell, I've probably been in front of him. However I'm not interested in starting more blood-thirsty debates regarding that subject on these boards. What I will argue though is that III doesn't seem to know what to do with really athletic perimeter players especially if they are not a threat from the three-point line. His system doesn't highlight their strengths nor does his coaching tend to lead to their development of their one-on-one skills (yeah, I know many of you basketball purists hate the idea of one-on-one but .... ). Bowen at least has a workable three-point jumper to take with him out on the court. I only hope he improves enough that he can start taking the ball to the basket off the dribble. Thankfully he has gotten past the biggest hurdle : no playing time. Greg is better than AB so it’s no shock that AB would struggle to get minutes with him available… People can say this is proof that III needs to extend his bench but whose the guy getting those kids ready to play when their number is called? III
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 27, 2013 12:44:55 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that, I've been looking for a good highlight all day and night. Haha. I've been singing AB's praises for a while, although I think he still needs a bit more time but he just seems like one of those guys that senior year, announcers would discuss as a key to the game. I've maintained that (AND I AM NOT COMPARING THEIR GAMES AT ALL AB's NOT EVEN CLOSE) AB has a gait like MJ. Yes, that MJ. Okay, you said it, but I was thinking it also. And I think if AB gets really comfortable with his game and his place on the team, he could take over games, like MJ did. At this point, however, he seems a little lost out there at times, especially on the offensive side in the half court sets. I think it is only a matter of his getting confidence that he belongs as an integral part of the offense that he will truly make his mark. And, oh yes, that play was out of this world!!!
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 27, 2013 13:05:05 GMT -5
Clearly everything that happens ever is a reason to fault JT3, but this is an unusually specious argument, MCI. Greg was our second or third best player depending on the kind of day Markel is having. We win easily yesterday if he's available, most likely. He's a far more skilled offensive player and light years more disruptive on defense with his length.
The great part of Bowen showing some ability is he has two years left and he may turn into a contributor. But let's not turn one amazing tap in (that he couldn't do again in 10 tries) into proof that JT3 should have been sitting better players all along to give him more minutes. Bowen is getting a chance now and he's doing well. Period.
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 27, 2013 13:35:19 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that, I've been looking for a good highlight all day and night. Haha. I've been singing AB's praises for a while, although I think he still needs a bit more time but he just seems like one of those guys that senior year, announcers would discuss as a key to the game. I've maintained that (AND I AM NOT COMPARING THEIR GAMES AT ALL AB's NOT EVEN CLOSE) AB has a gait like MJ. Yes, that MJ. Okay, you said it, but I was thinking it also. And I think if AB gets really comfortable with his game and his place on the team, he could take over games, like MJ did. At this point, however, he seems a little lost out there at times, especially on the offensive side in the half court sets. I think it is only a matter of his getting confidence that he belongs as an integral part of the offense that he will truly make his mark. And, oh yes, that play was out of this world!!! I think the reason AB looks lost often is that he's thinking too much about what's the right spot to be in, where do I go next, what's the right read to make, etc. instead of just playing. He obviously has a ton of natural ability and he needs to use that to make hustle plays right now and take open shots within the flow of the offense. I think in the past, he's been fearful of getting yanked out of the game when he made a mistake or took an ill-advised shot, with the absence of Whitt, III isn't as quick with the trigger to take him out. He's averaging about 10-12 minutes right now which I think is about right. And I think those 10-12 minutes will still be there if/when Whitt comes back. I'd expect DSR to go back to about 20 minutes from the close to 30 he's getting, and Otto is playing 35+ minutes a game, he's our best player but still, fatigue might come into play at some point. It might seem that III has opened up his bench a bit, but we're still only playing 8 guys meaningful minutes if you count the 5 or so minutes Moses is getting.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 27, 2013 16:56:11 GMT -5
HAND OF GOD. Courtesy of Air Bowen. Keep up the good work!
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 27, 2013 17:24:32 GMT -5
Clearly everything that happens ever is a reason to fault JT3, but this is an unusually specious argument, MCI. Greg was our second or third best player depending on the kind of day Markel is having. I absolutely agree that Greg is the better player. But you know Iverson was also better than Joseph Touomo (sp?) and yet Joseph saw playing time on the regular too. Get my point? A guy with ability shouldn't be glued to a bench simply because one or two guys ahead of him are better. If that guy has talent then by all means find time for him on the rotation. The argument from some people is that there is no time to play anyone other than seven players, maybe eight. That is nonsense. Depends on the coach and obviously III prefers a more limited rotation. And I think that approach by III cost the Hoyas at least one game (Marquette) in which five guys played almost all the minutes. It didn't make any sense. If as a coach you are weary of putting a player (Bowen) on the floor who has been with the team for three seasons (albeit one was a red shirt), you are either doing a not-so-good job as a coach in terms of preparing/developing a player or you are doing an even worse job as a recruiter. Actually Bowen's situation indicates there may be a third option: as a coach you are a bit of a control freak and not interested in taking any risks, particularly if that risk means using a player who is not in your top seven rotation. I could be wrong and it could be that III was planning on finding meaningful minutes all along for Bowen. Or it could be that Greg's situation forced III's hand. If it is the latter then one good thing came out of that suspension.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 18:09:58 GMT -5
Clearly everything that happens ever is a reason to fault JT3, but this is an unusually specious argument, MCI. Greg was our second or third best player depending on the kind of day Markel is having. I absolutely agree that Greg is the better player. But you know Iverson was also better than Joseph Touomo (sp?) and yet Joseph saw playing time on the regular too. Get my point? A guy with ability shouldn't be glued to a bench simply because one or two guys ahead of him are better. If that guy has talent then by all means find time for him on the rotation. The argument from some people is that there is no time to play anyone other than seven players, maybe eight. That is nonsense. Depends on the coach and obviously III prefers a more limited rotation. And I think that approach by III cost the Hoyas at least one game (Marquette) in which five guys played almost all the minutes. It didn't make any sense. If as a coach you are weary of putting a player (Bowen) on the floor who has been with the team for three seasons (albeit one was a red shirt), you are either doing a not-so-good job as a coach in terms of preparing/developing a player or you are doing an even worse job as a recruiter. Actually Bowen's situation indicates there may be a third option: as a coach you are a bit of a control freak and not interested in taking any risks, particularly if that risk means using a player who is not in your top seven rotation. I could be wrong and it could be that III was planning on finding meaningful minutes all along for Bowen. Or it could be that Greg's situation forced III's hand. If it is the latter then one good thing came out of that suspension. I get what your saying MCI but it’s not as simple as that. Starks, Greg, Bril, and Dsr are all higher on the depth chart than AB. That makes him 5th on the depth chart and the 3rd guard of the bench. So you have 100 minutes to divy up amongst 5 players (80 for 2 guard spots and 20 at SF). Markel and Greg are going to play 30-35 min a game so do the math.. He just ends up odd man out MCW was glued to the bench last year at Cuse and he was a burger boy and looks like a lotto pick this year.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 27, 2013 18:33:32 GMT -5
Agree with MCI. I'm not in the camp that's looking for Bolden or Hayes necessarily. Freshmen are different. They can be both physically and mentally unprepared.
But that's not Bowen or Ayegba. On a team with a short bench and no center, that they couldn't even see the floor for meaningful minutes against lower level teams is questionable. We can't go through a Big East season with guys playing every single minute. It's just too much of a grind. I actually don't think this is a JTIII specific issue or even a basketball one necessarily. A lot of great managers like things done their way and focus on the question "Why won't ____ do what I want?" and never stop to ask "How can I use ____'s talents?" It's just how it goes.
But bottom line, in an alternate universe Greg is not suspended, we go .500 in conference play, and lose in the second round of the NIT, after which Aaron Bowen transfers.
In this universe, Aaron continues to improve, the team gains momentum, Greg passes his mid-terms right before the BET and we make a run to the Final Four. So problem solved.
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Post by 1227 on Jan 27, 2013 19:27:58 GMT -5
Best tip-in since Don Reid's?
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Post by prhoya on Jan 27, 2013 20:28:53 GMT -5
I liked that he starts moving aggressively towards the basket even though DSR hasn't released the ball. Then, he could have taken the rebound with a fresh :35 and safely pass it out to Jabril to run the offense. Instead, he does the instinctive acrobatic play.
Without GW, Bowen has to get minutes. Without the threat of getting yanked or no minutes at all, Bowen will be a more confident player. Take advantage of your opportunity, AB.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 27, 2013 21:52:11 GMT -5
A lot of great managers like things done their way and focus on the question "Why won't ____ do what I want?" and never stop to ask "How can I use ____'s talents?" It's just how it goes.
This is EXACTLY what i've been saying.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 27, 2013 22:33:15 GMT -5
Best tip-in since Don Reid's? That's the first thing I thought of after that play, although Reid's was much more significant.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 27, 2013 23:03:22 GMT -5
THE BEAUTY OF AB'S TIP IN I THINK THE BEST ONE IVE SEEN. and it is what it is the main difference about ab's play HIS D IS MUCH IMPROVED used to foul not move and when he was in that george mason transfer stopped draining threes. THAT was also as critical as aarons great tip or tip hook or whatever it was it was GREAT. AS IHAVE ALWAYS SAID FOR A LONG LONG TIME best hops on the team bar none.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 27, 2013 23:13:08 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, Bowen's tip in bucket was ESPN's top play last night. I couldn't find this on ESPN or Sportscenter's website. Anyone have a link to the ESPN Top 10 from Saturday?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 28, 2013 2:18:39 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, Bowen's tip in bucket was ESPN's top play last night. I couldn't find this on ESPN or Sportscenter's website. Anyone have a link to the ESPN Top 10 from Saturday? I haven't been able to find it either, but I saw it on Sportscenter early this morning before I checked out of my hotel. Best I could find was a link to the top basketball plays: espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/74126/video-saturdays-top-plays
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 28, 2013 9:47:39 GMT -5
Aaron should get more PT based on the energy he brings to game
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Post by biggmanu on Jan 28, 2013 9:53:11 GMT -5
Bowen has earned minutes. So has Bril and DSR. When/If Greg comes back I would assume Whit's minutes are going to be less than 35min/game.
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Post by lancasterhoyafan on Jan 28, 2013 9:55:21 GMT -5
If Greg would come back, I think his minutes should drop to about 22-25 a game with Aaron picking up another 6-7 of those.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jan 28, 2013 10:18:24 GMT -5
SHOWTIME! 3 Guard lineup: Markel, Jabril, Bowen with GW at the 4, OP at the 5 - Defend that! Hahaha. At times, would be cool.
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