hoya95
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 16:56:24 GMT -5
Post by hoya95 on Jan 16, 2013 16:56:24 GMT -5
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nychoya3
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 17:25:11 GMT -5
Post by nychoya3 on Jan 16, 2013 17:25:11 GMT -5
Weird doesn't begin to describe this. Notre Dame has a statement out saying Manti was the victim of a "hoax" and that he was notified by the school on December 26th. He was horrible in the BCS championship - perhaps he was distracted knowing this was comiing out (whether it was a hoax or not.)
It's really a stain on the media as a whole that this story was reported credulously for so long.
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whatmaroon
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 18:04:58 GMT -5
Post by whatmaroon on Jan 16, 2013 18:04:58 GMT -5
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacky.
The whole thing was just a bit too convenient (I didn't doubt the grandmother), but that's life sometimes.
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hoyatables
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 18:30:43 GMT -5
Post by hoyatables on Jan 16, 2013 18:30:43 GMT -5
You gotta wonder why Manti Teo needed to go looking for a girlfriend online....
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hoyarooter
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 19:59:59 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Jan 16, 2013 19:59:59 GMT -5
Sick and disgusting stuff.
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Elvado
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 20:39:07 GMT -5
Post by Elvado on Jan 16, 2013 20:39:07 GMT -5
Makes Theisman's ridiculous name pronunciation change look like nothing. Any chance that Dome is actially pyrite?
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Elvado
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 20:39:27 GMT -5
Post by Elvado on Jan 16, 2013 20:39:27 GMT -5
Makes Theisman's ridiculous name pronunciation change look like nothing. Any chance that Dome is actially pyrite?
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RDF
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 21:47:25 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Jan 16, 2013 21:47:25 GMT -5
It's one thing to sink to this level to attract attention for publicity--another to keep it going. Just fess up and admit what happened. Deadspin nailed him-he's caught and now he's spinning it as he was a victim. Sure. I'll just say this--if that's the case why not be proactive and say this? Notre Dame supporting the guy now is a complete embarrassment to their school, alumni, and fans. He's still lying and he's grown--so it's time to answer the questions--especially with his pyscho dad admitting he's met her on vacations to Hawaii, and Teo's so called phone calls with her.
One thing to be bs-ing the public and another to get caught and then continue the lie. You ain't George Costanza brah, so admit your fault and your little buddy out in CA who helped you and was comped the ticket for the SC game this year can admit he helped with the deception.
Thankfully for ND program this clown is gone. Imagine if he had to return to school with this crap going on and btw can someone get Dick Vitale to comment on this since he subjected fans to this lying clown and his ACT for months?
When people I hate leave the arena, nice to have new targets emerge and Teo has risen to the top of the line. Only guy happier then I am is Lance Armstrong who is all the sudden looking normal-at least he lied to win bicycle races (ok that is pathetic) but it was to achieve something--this lie wasn't needed and only way he can save face is to admit he's Gay and was using this as a beard. If not--admit he's responsible. If neither--hope he's tormented the rest of his life with this and is mocked so much he runs back to Hawaii with his sick and twisted father (nice timing on going in on the Honolulu Media you D-Bag--think they'll be nice to you now clownboy?).
BTW what stinks more--his fake GF's fake corpse or his play on the field last week?
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hoyainspirit
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 22:38:03 GMT -5
Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 16, 2013 22:38:03 GMT -5
No one is clean in Te’o hoaxEXCERPT:No one spins stories better than Notre Dame–especially when the news might put the Irish in an unfavorable position.Which is why the spin doctors in South Bend and beyond were at Defcon 1 on Wednesday evening when it was revealed that the ND’s All American linebacker Manti Te’o had been the victim of an enormous hoax, involving a girl friend who became a national story this season when she died of leukemia within hours after Teo’s grandmother had also passed away...
The only problem was that part of the story was fiction. The part about the young beautiful girl friend, who Te’o talked to on the phone each night and grieved over?
Fiction...
It seems the relationship between Te’o and his girl friend took place over the internet and that they never actually met (well how could they since she didn’t exist).
Well actually she did, since Te’o talked to someone all of those times on the phone and had a picture of someone.
We won’t go into all the details of this since that would test even the internet’s capacity for words. But the bottom line was that Te’o learned that this was a hoax shortly after Christmas and then informed ND officials...
But throughout the season as the story was told and retold with more and more detail by media outlets such as ESPN, Sports Illustrated and the New York Times, there was never a hint by Te’o suggesting that this was a love affair over the internet.
And when Te’o did learn it was a hoax, he kept quiet. So did Notre Dame. Is there anyone out there who is willing to take the odds of either Te’o or ND saying anything about this if Deadspin had not done a great job to uncover it?
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 22:56:23 GMT -5
Post by NoCleverName on Jan 16, 2013 22:56:23 GMT -5
Old friend Pete Thamel's involvement in this fiasco should be noted. www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2013/01/manti_te_o_hoax_lennay_kekua_why_sportswriters_didn_t_catch_on_to_the_notre.htmlhe writer who did the most to popularize Te’o’s tale of triumph over tragedy was Sports Illustrated’s Pete Thamel. In late September, Thamel wrote that the Notre Dame star “played remarkably well under the most depressing of circumstances—the death of his girlfriend and grandmother within 24-hour span before the Irish's game against Michigan State.” (The part about his grandmother's death is true.) In the Oct. 1 edition of the magazine, which placed Te’o on the cover and noted that the linebacker “has restored the shine to the Golden Dome,” Thamel reported the precise date of Lennay Kekua’s supposedly almost-deadly car accident (April 28) and stated that her “relatives told [Te’o] that at her lowest points, as she fought to emerge from a coma, her breathing rate would increase at the sound of his voice.” And in a Dec. 20 piece, Thamel explained that Kekua wrote Te’o a series of inspirational notes before her passing, and that her brother Kainoa and sister U’ilani “would read the letters to Manti” to help soothe his pain. "It's given me a sense of strength and perseverance," the Heisman Trophy finalist told the Sports Illustrated writer. If Thamel or anyone else at SI had used Nexis or Google, they would’ve discovered that Lennay Kekua (not to mention her brother and sister) didn’t exist. A reporter doesn’t expect to learn that his subject's dead girlfriend is nothing but a fake Twitter avatar. But a reporter, especially at a fact-checked magazine like SI, also doesn’t generally put someone’s name into print and say that she smashed up her car on April 28 without confirming the spelling and the wreckage. That assumption of basic competence filters down to everyone else in the sports media ecosystem: If Manti Te’o’s story of woe is in Sports Illustrated, then it must be true.
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hoyaboya
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 23:23:21 GMT -5
Post by hoyaboya on Jan 16, 2013 23:23:21 GMT -5
Old friend Pete Thamel's involvement in this fiasco should be noted. www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2013/01/manti_te_o_hoax_lennay_kekua_why_sportswriters_didn_t_catch_on_to_the_notre.htmlhe writer who did the most to popularize Te’o’s tale of triumph over tragedy was Sports Illustrated’s Pete Thamel. In late September, Thamel wrote that the Notre Dame star “played remarkably well under the most depressing of circumstances—the death of his girlfriend and grandmother within 24-hour span before the Irish's game against Michigan State.” (The part about his grandmother's death is true.) In the Oct. 1 edition of the magazine, which placed Te’o on the cover and noted that the linebacker “has restored the shine to the Golden Dome,” Thamel reported the precise date of Lennay Kekua’s supposedly almost-deadly car accident (April 28) and stated that her “relatives told [Te’o] that at her lowest points, as she fought to emerge from a coma, her breathing rate would increase at the sound of his voice.” And in a Dec. 20 piece, Thamel explained that Kekua wrote Te’o a series of inspirational notes before her passing, and that her brother Kainoa and sister U’ilani “would read the letters to Manti” to help soothe his pain. "It's given me a sense of strength and perseverance," the Heisman Trophy finalist told the Sports Illustrated writer. If Thamel or anyone else at SI had used Nexis or Google, they would’ve discovered that Lennay Kekua (not to mention her brother and sister) didn’t exist. A reporter doesn’t expect to learn that his subject's dead girlfriend is nothing but a fake Twitter avatar. But a reporter, especially at a fact-checked magazine like SI, also doesn’t generally put someone’s name into print and say that she smashed up her car on April 28 without confirming the spelling and the wreckage. That assumption of basic competence filters down to everyone else in the sports media ecosystem: If Manti Te’o’s story of woe is in Sports Illustrated, then it must be true.Yep...would love to see Thamel sink with this ship.
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jgalt
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Te'o
Jan 16, 2013 23:48:25 GMT -5
Post by jgalt on Jan 16, 2013 23:48:25 GMT -5
Just a very odd turn of events. I think that there are are probably a numer of factors at work that made keeping up the charade the choice that was made.
Making up a girlfriend is not a big deal. Its odd, but not harmful. But essentially killing them off instead of just breaking up with them is so strange and can hurt many people. For me the crucial point is weather Teo knew it was fake before she "died" or after. Did he allow the farce to go that far. Otherwise up to that point he is somewhat of a victim. But once he knew about it, and did nothing, then he is no longer a victim.
Assuming he knew about this prior to her "death", I would think there would be some issue such as depression or narcissistic personality disorder that contributed to him continuing the hoax (either to make him "happy" or for personal gain).
The strangest things about this are that an Arizona Cardinals LB claims to have met Teo's girlfriend in person (even though she never existed) and that a twitter account claiming to be her says the truth will be revealed tomorrow at noon.
Either way, I think the bigger issue should be how many resources Notre Dame has devoted to this basically non issue (the worst thing that comes from it is embarrassment) compared to how little they devoted to the suicide of Lizzy Seeberg in 2010 after she accused ND FB players of rape and was intimidated by the FB team. I dont really think the media messed up with Teo (who thinks this could be a possibility), but they can screw up if they dont keep ND accountable to the actual victims of their program.
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Boz
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Te'o
Jan 17, 2013 11:25:58 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Jan 17, 2013 11:25:58 GMT -5
The strangest things about this are that an Arizona Cardinals LB claims to have met Teo's girlfriend in person (even though she never existed) Quite possibly the weirdest development in a story that I didn't think could get any weirder. I'm not going to comment much except to say it stretches the imagination to believe that Teo is completely a "victim" here. I'll say one thing, and this may surprise many who know how much I loathe Notre Dame: I really do hope that there is some logic or sequence of events that (at least mostly) vindicates Teo on this. I don't think that's the case, but I kind of hope it is. Because, even though I think he is an overrated football player, if he perpetrated this, that is one seriously deranged person. There is definitely at least one sick, twisted individual in all of this, and -- believe it or not -- I would like to believe that it's not him. Notre Dame just went all in with him, so they better hope so too.
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jgalt
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Te'o
Jan 17, 2013 11:46:27 GMT -5
Post by jgalt on Jan 17, 2013 11:46:27 GMT -5
Last night there was a lot of evidence uncovered that a) a few people on twitter knew about the hoax months ago and b) Teo continued with the story even after he knew it wasnt real. For example he said in an interview the last letter she wrote to him was on 10/13 when she "died" a month before that.
just so weird. If Teo didnt start the hoax, then I feel sort of bad for him. As much as we all want to think this wouldnt happen to us, its very easy to trick the human brain. We are wired to be trusting.
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RusskyHoya
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Te'o
Jan 17, 2013 11:50:08 GMT -5
Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 17, 2013 11:50:08 GMT -5
Either way, I think the bigger issue should be how many resources Notre Dame has devoted to this basically non issue (the worst thing that comes from it is embarrassment) compared to how little they devoted to the suicide of Lizzy Seeberg in 2010 after she accused ND FB players of rape and was intimidated by the FB team. I dont really think the media messed up with Teo (who thinks this could be a possibility), but they can screw up if they dont keep ND accountable to the actual victims of their program. In the interests of accuracy: Lizzy Seeberg did not accuse anyone of rape. There's a big debate - one that I have in my own head as well - about whether using "sexual assault" as a catch-all term helps or hurts matters, because it ends up conflating a lot of things under one umbrella. When we're talking about things of this nature, I think erring on the side of accuracy is better. Once alone with the player, Seeberg began to feel uncomfortable with the conversation. "I started feeling as though I was in danger," she wrote. "I didn't feel safe in his room."
Seeberg then described how she cried and her body froze as the alleged attack ensued. Her allegations did not describe penetration; the campus police log listed the complaint as an alleged sexual battery. Under Indiana law, a sexual battery is the unwanted touching of another person to satisfy one's own sexual desires.Wrong is wrong and allegations of forcible/unwanted touching should be taken with the utmost gravity, but they shouldn't be conflated with rape.
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SFHoya99
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Te'o
Jan 17, 2013 12:36:28 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 17, 2013 12:36:28 GMT -5
My guess:
I suspect Te'o met her over the internet but never met her. I think he was probably suckered in and perhaps the perpetrator decided to kill her off.
He told the story and it became part of a known narrative. Embarrassed that a star college football player was in love (or portrayed as) in love with someone he had never, ever met, and watching the story get away with him, he, his father, Arizona LBs, etc., claimed to have met her and added facts that fed the story and also made it look like he wasn't pathetic.
Just one way it could have gone down. I find it hard to believe it was completely perpetuated by him and impossible to believe he didn't lie about aspects of their relationship. At some point, he had to know, but I'd think better of him (not that he cares) if it were after the press ran with a story they never bothered to fact check at all.
Rather than making up the whole damn thing for a Heisman campaign.
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SFHoya99
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Te'o
Jan 17, 2013 12:40:50 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 17, 2013 12:40:50 GMT -5
Or, I suppose, the more likely idea that he's gay.
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RDF
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Te'o
Jan 17, 2013 12:49:16 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Jan 17, 2013 12:49:16 GMT -5
If Teo wasn't in on this, why did his father quote to several outlets about them "vacationing to Hawaii together and we've come to realization this might be our future daughter in law", and this is same pyscho who went off on Honolulu newspaper for their picture of Eddie Lacy running over Teo with headline that said the truth about the game and the picture actually happened. See Mr. Teo-when things actually exist it's hard to make them up unlike what your sick kid did with his lust for the limelight.
More disturbing--if ESPN new about this--why did they shove his human interest FABLE down public's throat on day/night of the game? Teo kept going along with it as well. Like anyone who lies--the shame of being caught is what hurts and like majority of liars, you lie to try and get out of the bigger lie. Eventually he'll cop to it--and if he did yesterday--this would already be dying down (no pun intended). Instead he's going all "Lance" and going to end up changing this as a story of how he was lost without his grammy, wanted to help raise awareness for Cancer/Leukemia research, and he's being picked on because he's Polynesian. ND might even try to get Obama to come speak on his behalf--you know they are Chicago's "Team" and he's a fellow Hawaiian. Why stop with making your AD look like a fool, let's take this all the way to the top.
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Filo
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Te'o
Jan 17, 2013 13:15:57 GMT -5
Post by Filo on Jan 17, 2013 13:15:57 GMT -5
So, in the end, Teo was dating Fawn Liebowitz. Pretty close to a generation-spanning relationship.
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DoctorHoya
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Post by DoctorHoya on Jan 17, 2013 13:33:22 GMT -5
So, in the end, Teo was dating Fawn Liebowitz. Pretty close to a generation-spanning relationship. Love it, but not sure many will understand
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