CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Oct 13, 2012 14:47:55 GMT -5
Can't take one shot into the end zone instead of setting it up for a non-existent kicking game? Puzzling move. Well, we were picked off earlier in the quarter. And MacZura did make that game-winning field goal at Princeton. Frustrating loss.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Oct 13, 2012 14:50:32 GMT -5
Can't take one shot into the end zone instead of setting it up for a non-existent kicking game? Puzzling move. Well, we were picked off earlier in the quarter. And MacZura did make that game-winning field goal at Princeton. Frustrating loss. If we're going by what happened earlier, we also had a 22 yard FG blocked, but now we're confident in a 37 yarder? Besides, Aiken was the one who got picked off. Skon led the final drive and was in rhythm. Had enough time to take two shots at the end zone if they wanted to.
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Post by ahoyadad on Oct 13, 2012 14:58:08 GMT -5
really bad when you force SEVEN turnovers and get JUST ONE score from the offense, can't win too many games that way.
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Post by thebin on Oct 13, 2012 15:03:13 GMT -5
It seems we have reverted to the bad old days when PATs seemed like 40 yard fg attempts and 30 yard fgs are a 5% proposition. That combined with an offense that totally stalls any time it smells the red zone is a very bad combo.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 13, 2012 15:05:07 GMT -5
How do you squander a game like this?
Fumble the ball at midfield, converted into a Lehigh TD. Missed FG with 2:00 left in the first half. Missed FG at end of half. Consecutive turnover on downs inside the Lehigh 40. Missed FG to end the game.
Red zone conversion:
Lehigh 3-3 Georgetown 1-3
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Post by 98hoya on Oct 13, 2012 15:18:12 GMT -5
How do you squander a game like this? Fumble the ball at midfield, converted into a Lehigh TD. Missed FG with 2:00 left in the first half. Missed FG at end of half. Consecutive turnover on downs inside the Lehigh 40. Missed FG to end the game. Red zone conversion: Lehigh 3-3 Georgetown 1-3 Well, one way you squander it is by having a coach with no cajones when it comes to play calling and an offensive coordinator who is very unimpressive. It also doesn't help to have your best offensive player out all year.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 13, 2012 15:19:06 GMT -5
Good ole Georgetown offense making a comeback.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 13, 2012 15:19:18 GMT -5
Kelly does not call the plays, Marino does.
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Post by ahoyadad on Oct 13, 2012 15:34:57 GMT -5
Kelly does not call the plays, Marino does. well it seems to be time for the HC to take control of HIS team becasue that play calling isn't gonna win football games!
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Post by CAHoya07 on Oct 13, 2012 15:37:07 GMT -5
So basically this is the third game we've squandered away (Yale, Fordham, Lehigh). Who's to blame? And how do we get better?
At Colgate (3-3, 1-0 Patriot) looms next week, they just put the hurt on Holy Cross (1-5, 1-1 Patriot), 51-35.
After that, it's at Lafayette (4-2, 1-0 Patriot), who did something we couldn't do and beat Yale (1-4) 20-10.
Home games against Bucknell and Holy Cross to close out the season.
I think it's safe to say all the good feelings following the nationally-televised Princeton win have quickly subsided. Three straight losses, and with the next two road games against tough foes, we are staring a five-game losing streak right in the face. All this with a backdrop of a rapidly changing scholarship situation in the Patriot League, which will undoubtedly affect our ability to remain competitive.
We need something, anything to turn this around.
Only bright point I can see is that we actually gave Lehigh a game, I can't remember any close decisions with them, just being blown out. But that's about it. We've now lost to Lehigh 12 straight times.
Anybody want to bring me back from the ledge?
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Post by 98hoya on Oct 13, 2012 15:41:33 GMT -5
Kelly does not call the plays, Marino does. True. But it's Kelly that decides to do things like punt on 4th and 1 from their 39. And Kelly who decides to kneel the ball when there are 25 seconds left and we're driving and on their 20 so he can line up a long-ish field goal for our converted punter who is already 0-for-2 on the day. And Kelly who decides to punt the ball on 4th and 5 with 2:30 minutes left (a miracle, but that one worked out. 90 times out of 100, it won't). That's what I mean by no cajones, DFW, and those are the calls that squander games.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Oct 13, 2012 15:43:07 GMT -5
Also, FWIW, Fordham is playing at #21 Cincinnati tonight, if you would like to see how a team around the same caliber as Georgetown might fare against a top-25, FBS opponent.
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Post by derhoya on Oct 13, 2012 15:44:00 GMT -5
This loss ranks up there with some of the most frustrating experiences I've had as a Hoya. I don't know why we were playing for the tie with about 45 secs left and around LEH's 40. We have been crushed by that team for 10 years + and we're rolling with our 2 min Off.
This coupled with the Nats loss last night & UT getting smoked have made for a terrible sports weekend.
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Post by 98hoya on Oct 13, 2012 15:45:53 GMT -5
So basically this is the third game we've squandered away (Yale, Fordham, Lehigh). Who's to blame? And how do we get better? At Colgate (3-3, 1-0 Patriot) looms next week, they just put the hurt on Holy Cross (1-5, 1-1 Patriot), 51-35. After that, it's at Lafayette (4-2, 1-0 Patriot), who did something we couldn't do and beat Yale (1-4) 20-10. Home games against Bucknell and Holy Cross to close out the season. I think it's safe to say all the good feelings following the nationally-televised Princeton win have quickly subsided. Three straight losses, and with the next two road games against tough foes, we are staring a five-game losing streak right in the face. All this with a backdrop of a rapidly changing scholarship situation in the Patriot League, which will undoubtedly affect our ability to remain competitive. We need something, anything to turn this around. Only bright point I can see is that we actually gave Lehigh a game, I can't remember any close decisions with them, just being blown out. But that's about it. We've now lost to Lehigh 12 straight times. Anybody want to bring me back from the ledge? If we'd won this one, I'd have said this was our biggest win in modern history. Now that we've lost it, I think we just lost our last best chance to ever be a relevant PL team. In terms of coming back from the ledge: I heard Doug E. Fresh was great at human beatboxing at Midnight Madness. So there's that.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 13, 2012 16:10:16 GMT -5
Kelly does not call the plays, Marino does. But he does hire a guy who had no real success at his last job to run the offense. Why? Because he is totally out of touch with offensive football. Getting Patenaude saved his job and that was a blind squirrel finding a nut.
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Post by derhoya on Oct 14, 2012 21:45:13 GMT -5
Kelly does not call the plays, Marino does. But he does hire a guy who had no real success at his last job to run the offense. Why? Because he is totally out of touch with offensive football. Getting Patenaude saved his job and that was a blind squirrel finding a nut. To be fair PoD, he's stuck with Marino b/c we don't have the money to poach a solid OC or one that's between teams. The lack of a stadium and further institutional support help keep that depressing cycle going. We'll have to wait on the stadium too. It will be done when the IAC is. Joy.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 15, 2012 11:24:26 GMT -5
But he does hire a guy who had no real success at his last job to run the offense. Why? Because he is totally out of touch with offensive football. Getting Patenaude saved his job and that was a blind squirrel finding a nut. To be fair PoD, he's stuck with Marino b/c we don't have the money to poach a solid OC or one that's between teams. The lack of a stadium and further institutional support help keep that depressing cycle going. We'll have to wait on the stadium too. It will be done when the IAC is. Joy. Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You're telling me there is NO ONE out there with a more impressive resume or more potential than Marino that we could afford? No chance. You don't have to hire a top OC, I'm not asking for Gus Malzahn or Chad Morris, but there are lots of places to look besides being lazy and looking for out of work coaches.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 15, 2012 13:56:50 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You're telling me there is NO ONE out there with a more impressive resume or more potential than Marino that we could afford? No chance. You don't have to hire a top OC, I'm not asking for Gus Malzahn or Chad Morris, but there are lots of places to look besides being lazy and looking for out of work coaches. Coaching is a fraternity, and Kevin Kelly knows what it's like to be an underpaid assistant when the head coach is let go and you're on your own. It's also about relationships and head coaches are more likely to hire someone they were familiar with, or had served on a former staff together, vs. a resume from a grad assistant at Texas Tech or a linebackers coach at Valparaiso. For the most part, former assistants under Kelly have gone on to solid coaching careers: Adam Banks 2007-10 , WR coach at Amherst Dassin Blackwell 2006-09, WR coach at Towson Frank Colaprete 2007-09, returned as DC at Johns Hopkins Matt Dence 2010, head coach at Germantown (PA) Academy Renato Diaz 2011 WR coach at Coastal Carolina Brad Dunlay 2006-11, line coach at Colgate Kevin Gilbride Jr. 2006, asst. coach with NY Giants Carlton Hall 2006, DL coach at Houston Kyle McAllister 2010, DB coach at St. Lawrence (Div.III) David Patenaude 2010-11, OC at Coastal Carolina Luke Thompson 2006-11, special teams coach at Army James Vollono 2006, TE coach at Towson Kijuan Ware 2006-07, OC at Western Illinois
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Post by derhoya on Oct 15, 2012 17:56:08 GMT -5
To be fair PoD, he's stuck with Marino b/c we don't have the money to poach a solid OC or one that's between teams. The lack of a stadium and further institutional support help keep that depressing cycle going. We'll have to wait on the stadium too. It will be done when the IAC is. Joy. Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You're telling me there is NO ONE out there with a more impressive resume or more potential than Marino that we could afford? No chance. You don't have to hire a top OC, I'm not asking for Gus Malzahn or Chad Morris, but there are lots of places to look besides being lazy and looking for out of work coaches. Specifically regarding last year/off-season, don't forget KK was about to jump ship for Yale. I assume the OC hiring process was kinda on hold as he figured out his owe affairs. Once he pulled his hat outta the Yale biz, the hiring delay probably didn't leave alot of viable candidates. DFW is right too. Coaching, with KK specifically, is all about the fraternity and who he either has worked with or who went through his alma mater.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 15, 2012 20:32:51 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm not buying that. You're telling me there is NO ONE out there with a more impressive resume or more potential than Marino that we could afford? No chance. You don't have to hire a top OC, I'm not asking for Gus Malzahn or Chad Morris, but there are lots of places to look besides being lazy and looking for out of work coaches. Coaching is a fraternity, and Kevin Kelly knows what it's like to be an underpaid assistant when the head coach is let go and you're on your own. It's also about relationships and head coaches are more likely to hire someone they were familiar with, or had served on a former staff together, vs. a resume from a grad assistant at Texas Tech or a linebackers coach at Valparaiso. For the most part, former assistants under Kelly have gone on to solid coaching careers: Adam Banks 2007-10 , WR coach at Amherst Dassin Blackwell 2006-09, WR coach at Towson Frank Colaprete 2007-09, returned as DC at Johns Hopkins Matt Dence 2010, head coach at Germantown (PA) Academy Renato Diaz 2011 WR coach at Coastal Carolina Brad Dunlay 2006-11, line coach at Colgate Kevin Gilbride Jr. 2006, asst. coach with NY Giants Carlton Hall 2006, DL coach at Houston Kyle McAllister 2010, DB coach at St. Lawrence (Div.III) David Patenaude 2010-11, OC at Coastal Carolina Luke Thompson 2006-11, special teams coach at Army James Vollono 2006, TE coach at Towson Kijuan Ware 2006-07, OC at Western Illinois You really think those are solid jobs? And you're trying to say that Kelly hired Marino because he was sympathetic to his plight? Boohoo. He's not running a a rehab program for coaches, he's trying to win football games. Marino was miserable at Columbia. And derhoya, let's not kid ourselves with the idea that Kelly "dropped out" of the Yale coaching search. He was never getting that job.
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