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Post by kchoya on Jul 26, 2012 14:02:41 GMT -5
Except in this case, it's the perfect description. In-N-Out makes great burgers (and animal fries, mmmm). But some people act like it's manna from heaven and that competing burger joints (Five Guys, Shake Shack, etc.) are on the level of pink slime. I think In-n-Out > Five Guys, but Five Guys is damn good as well. Where's Shake Shack? I understand it's mostly a NYC-area thing, with outposts in DC (at the Nats park) and Miami. The only one I've eaten at is in Miami Beach.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 26, 2012 14:06:06 GMT -5
Downtown Philly just opened one as well.
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Post by Boz on Jul 26, 2012 14:18:05 GMT -5
There is a Shake Shack in Dupont. All of this political discussion aside, the personal tragedy for me is that I really need to stop eating at any places like this, ever. I can practically hear my arteries tremble whenever I even think about Five Guys anymore. (the peach milkshake is still worth it though, if Chik-fil-A ever brings it back) ...sigh...I miss being young and invincible. Some of you can identify with this. Those of you who cant? A. I hate you. B. You will soon enough.
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Post by jgalt on Jul 26, 2012 18:15:44 GMT -5
In-and-out is overrated as well. The shakes are great but the fried (regular ones) are terrible- and they know this and are ok with it. The price is less when compared to Five Guys which is great. They are different burgers- Five guys is juicy and hot while In-and-Out is dryer (not in a bad way) and the other ingredients are more room temp. Its personal preference. What gets me is when people act like, in the words of KC, mana from heaven.
Best burger (no chain category)? The Standing Room in Redondo Beach, CA. Thick patty, perfectly cooked, with korean/Hawaiian toppings that only compliment the meat, not over power. If you dont like this burger I WILL fight you about it. In this case its not personal preference, its just a fact.
Anyway, to make this somewhat relevant: the politicians are waaaaaay over stepping. And how many of businesses already operating in their cities hold the same view as the Chick-Fil-A? Are they going to close those? What about the Boy Scouts, will they prevent them from operating too?
Seems like they can only be hypocritical with this position or be forced to support closing businesses and causing people to lose their jobs. They should probably just shut their faces.
And the Chick-Fil-A CEO is wrong on this subject. He would get more business if he changed his stance (same with opening on Sundays...)
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 26, 2012 19:02:11 GMT -5
The Cathy family are devout Baptists, and they are entitled to their beliefs.
I admire their no-Sunday rule. As the restaurant notes when you walk in the door, if workers want to go to church or not on Sunday, that's their business, or if the manager can take it easy one day a week, they've earned it. I think the Chick-Fil-A customer understands this. If someone really, really needs a chicken sandwich on Sunday that bad, McDonald's will be glad to take their money.
I take stories like this and apply the mirror image test--if, say, Starbucks offered enhanced partner benefits and the mayor of Houston said he/she didn't want their "liberal values" allowed in the city limits, the media would rightly slam the mayor as putting his/her own values ahead of fair and free enterprise. The same standard should apply here. if Chick-Fil-A sinks or swims in Chicago or Boston, let the market decide. (Guess what, it always does.)
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Post by quickplay on Jul 26, 2012 19:17:31 GMT -5
The Cathy family are devout Baptists, and they are entitled to their beliefs. I admire their no-Sunday rule. As the restaurant notes when you walk in the door, if workers want to go to church or not on Sunday, that's their business, or if the manager can take it easy one day a week, they've earned it. I think the Chick-Fil-A customer understands this. If someone really, really needs a chicken sandwich on Sunday that bad, McDonald's will be glad to take their money. I take stories like this and apply the mirror image test--if, say, Starbucks offered enhanced partner benefits and the mayor of Houston said he/she didn't want their "liberal values" allowed in the city limits, the media would rightly slam the mayor as putting his/her own values ahead of fair and free enterprise. The same standard should apply here. if Chick-Fil-A sinks or swims in Chicago or Boston, let the market decide. (Guess what, it always does.) I agree with what you're saying generally, but I don't think 'liberal values' would at all be the mirror image of this. Gay rights are about inherent rights. The people who don't understand that are wrong, and are on the wrong side of history. It isn't a political value. It's his business and he can say what he wants and people can react how they want. But it's much more akin to saying he doesn't want women or black people to have certain rights than it is to compare it to general political values.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 26, 2012 19:24:58 GMT -5
Unless and until the CEO puts his beliefs into actual discriminatory policy vis a vis employees or patrons, Rahm should shut his hole, work on the exponentially exploding murder rate and keep cozying up to Farrakhan.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Jul 26, 2012 19:38:44 GMT -5
Chik-Fil-A is delicious and there aren't any stand alone ones in DC. It's a damn shame. Crystal City is too far of a schlep into the wilderness for you?
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Post by TC on Jul 26, 2012 20:27:28 GMT -5
What about the Boy Scouts, will they prevent them from operating too? Since when are the Boy Scouts donating money and lobbying to defeat marriage equality?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 26, 2012 20:28:18 GMT -5
The Cathy family are devout Baptists, and they are entitled to their beliefs. I admire their no-Sunday rule. As the restaurant notes when you walk in the door, if workers want to go to church or not on Sunday, that's their business, or if the manager can take it easy one day a week, they've earned it. I think the Chick-Fil-A customer understands this. If someone really, really needs a chicken sandwich on Sunday that bad, McDonald's will be glad to take their money. I take stories like this and apply the mirror image test--if, say, Starbucks offered enhanced partner benefits and the mayor of Houston said he/she didn't want their "liberal values" allowed in the city limits, the media would rightly slam the mayor as putting his/her own values ahead of fair and free enterprise. The same standard should apply here. if Chick-Fil-A sinks or swims in Chicago or Boston, let the market decide. (Guess what, it always does.) Good post, but Houston? Is it still 1982? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annise_Parkerwww.txpoliticalalmanac.com/index.php?title=Harris_County_2008_Election_Results
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Post by kchoya on Jul 27, 2012 7:17:24 GMT -5
I absolutely believe in Chick Fila's chairman's right to his personal bigotry. I do not believe in a municipal authority's right to limit business opportunity based on thought or speech. If Chicago can show discriminatory business practices, go get them b ) No one has limited anything yet in actuality, from what I've seen Menino and Emanuel just made a bunch of statements against discrimination, which I think is a good thing for municipal leaders. Moreno said this: "Because of this man's ignorance, I will now be denying Chick-fil-A's permit to open a restaurant in the 1st Ward."
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Post by Boz on Jul 27, 2012 7:31:41 GMT -5
I think the mayor of Boston backed down yesterday and admitted he made a mistake in wanting to prevent Chik-fil-A from coming to his city.
I do not expect the same from the alderman and Hizzoner in Chicago, but who knows? Maybe they'll surprise me.
Also, this FTW:
Hide yo kids! Hide yo wife! I want some waffle fries!! ;D
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Post by TC on Jul 27, 2012 9:31:40 GMT -5
I think the mayor of Boston backed down yesterday and admitted he made a mistake in wanting to prevent Chik-fil-A from coming to his city. "Admitted his mistake"? Can you show me where exactly Menino threatened any action against Chik-fil-A in the first place? Here's his letter : www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151791883475752&set=a.336030020751.189466.64266725751&type=1&theaterSame goes for Emanuel - and I know the context is a bit different because his quote is in the context of being asked about whatever the alderman is doing, but it seems fairly wishy washy as to what his actual remedy would be and more of a platform statement against discrimination. www.suntimes.com/news/13988905-418/emanuel-goes-after-chick-fil-a-for-boss-anti-gay-views.html Other than the alderman, who is obviously in error, I don't see how this got blown into a story about Mayors taking action against a company. Now on the other side, this is not just Dan Cathy's "personal belief". He was speaking on the part of what the company represents (and spends millions of dollars funding). That's not personal bigotry - it's institutionalized bigotry. Whether they break laws related to discrimination is immaterial - no one is claiming that.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 27, 2012 9:50:36 GMT -5
So now we should have governmental officials feeling empowered to criticize business owners based upon philosophy and speech in the absence of action.
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Post by Boz on Jul 27, 2012 10:01:48 GMT -5
I think the mayor of Boston backed down yesterday and admitted he made a mistake in wanting to prevent Chik-fil-A from coming to his city. "Admitted his mistake"? Can you show me where exactly Menino threatened any action against Chik-fil-A in the first place? Just relating what I read. He's the one who said he made a mistake, not me. bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1061148712And if you'll note my initial post yesterday, I have tried to be careful of NOT charging the mayors with more than what they have said. Come to think of it, a case could be made perhaps that some people in this thread might be charging Chik-fil-A with doing more than they're actually doing. Unbunch your panties, a notch. It's Friday. I'll see if I can find something for the fun thread. Sheesh!
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Post by kchoya on Jul 27, 2012 10:26:10 GMT -5
I think the mayor of Boston backed down yesterday and admitted he made a mistake in wanting to prevent Chik-fil-A from coming to his city. "Admitted his mistake"? Can you show me where exactly Menino threatened any action against Chik-fil-A in the first place? Here's his letter : www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151791883475752&set=a.336030020751.189466.64266725751&type=1&theaterSame goes for Emanuel - and I know the context is a bit different because his quote is in the context of being asked about whatever the alderman is doing, but it seems fairly wishy washy as to what his actual remedy would be and more of a platform statement against discrimination. www.suntimes.com/news/13988905-418/emanuel-goes-after-chick-fil-a-for-boss-anti-gay-views.html Other than the alderman, who is obviously in error, I don't see how this got blown into a story about Mayors taking action against a company. Now on the other side, this is not just Dan Cathy's "personal belief". He was speaking on the part of what the company represents (and spends millions of dollars funding). That's not personal bigotry - it's institutionalized bigotry. Whether they break laws related to discrimination is immaterial - no one is claiming that. Institutionalized bigotry? Really? I missed the signs for "straights only" and "gays only" the last time I went to Chick-Fil-A.
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Post by quickplay on Jul 27, 2012 10:33:48 GMT -5
"Admitted his mistake"? Can you show me where exactly Menino threatened any action against Chik-fil-A in the first place? Here's his letter : www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151791883475752&set=a.336030020751.189466.64266725751&type=1&theaterSame goes for Emanuel - and I know the context is a bit different because his quote is in the context of being asked about whatever the alderman is doing, but it seems fairly wishy washy as to what his actual remedy would be and more of a platform statement against discrimination. www.suntimes.com/news/13988905-418/emanuel-goes-after-chick-fil-a-for-boss-anti-gay-views.html Other than the alderman, who is obviously in error, I don't see how this got blown into a story about Mayors taking action against a company. Now on the other side, this is not just Dan Cathy's "personal belief". He was speaking on the part of what the company represents (and spends millions of dollars funding). That's not personal bigotry - it's institutionalized bigotry. Whether they break laws related to discrimination is immaterial - no one is claiming that. Institutionalized bigotry? Really? I missed the signs for "straights only" and "gays only" the last time I went to Chick-Fil-A. Chick-Fil-A isn't acting on the institutionalized bigotry, but the money made by Chick-Fil-A goes to support and uphold institutionalized bigotry. If a politician steps outside their powers that's a different discussion. But I see no problem with politicians criticizing business owners, even if it is just for their philosophy and not action (which in this case it isn't - the business OWNER is certainly involved in action). If the politician's action breaks the law, hit them with the full force of the law, whatever side they represent. But I think the danger of criticizing 'business owners' is vastly overstated.
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Post by Boz on Jul 27, 2012 10:43:31 GMT -5
Well, hopefully the mayor will come out and publicly criticize any business that donated money to Barack Obama prior to a couple months ago.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 27, 2012 10:45:09 GMT -5
To get back to my original question. Where does a mayor in bed with Farrakhan get the right to criticize anyone for bigotry?
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Post by jgalt on Jul 27, 2012 12:43:23 GMT -5
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