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Post by hoyaLS05 on Jul 13, 2012 12:39:56 GMT -5
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jul 13, 2012 12:42:22 GMT -5
About time!
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Post by jgalt on Jul 13, 2012 12:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 13, 2012 12:58:16 GMT -5
Lacrosse fans: be careful what you wish for.
Georgetown hasn't dropped in the lacrosse world inasmuch as others have climbed past it. The days where Georgetown could beat UMass and Penn State, get a NCAA autobid, and a comfortable first round win are over. While other schools have built up its program, lacrosse continues to labor in the weeds of the MSF.
Blaming Urick for not being in the top 10 (as many lacrosse fans do) is like blaming Ricky Fried for not winning like Kim Simons did--different eras, different recruits, different commitments. The next coach may find an even narrower path to winning consistently.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Jul 13, 2012 13:15:00 GMT -5
Some of the ingrate reactions here are ill-befitting of GU fans/alums.
Urick put the men's program on the map. Before him, it was a complete and utter joke (losing to Loyola College something like 22-1 in the 1980s).
Could and should he have done better after 1999? No question about it and he'd probably be the first to admit so. But show a little respect and class to one of the finest coaches in any sport to any grace the Hilltop.
OTOH, I think DFW is letting Urick, and Fried, off a little too easy with the Facilities argument. Northwestern came out of nowhere in women's lacrosse (and ditto for Denver in men's lax more recently) to become a major powerhouse in the last decade. Our coaches need to leverage past successes to take the next step and that's where both lax programs have come up woefully short in the last 5-10 years....
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Post by jgalt on Jul 13, 2012 13:27:35 GMT -5
The reason I see this as a good thing is not some hand wringing "who the hell is the Urick guy, get him out of hear" sentiment. I totally recognize that Urick is the Georgetown LAX program. But as DFW points out, the LAX landscape has change, quickly, in the past few years. Georgetown has still been getting great talent, but it hasnt translated to great success.
I just think its time to move on and move the program in a different direction.
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Post by hoya4ever on Jul 13, 2012 13:59:50 GMT -5
Thanks to the coach for building it and for retiring. On we go...
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jul 13, 2012 14:07:15 GMT -5
The reason I see this as a good thing is not some hand wringing "who the hell is the Urick guy, get him out of hear" sentiment. I totally recognize that Urick is the Georgetown LAX program. But as DFW points out, the LAX landscape has change, quickly, in the past few years. Georgetown has still been getting great talent, but it hasnt translated to great success. I just think its time to move on and move the program in a different direction. THIS. I was NOT trying to slight Coach Urick. We wouldn't have a lax program without him but it's been clear for a few seasons now that a change is needed. |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 13, 2012 14:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by nychoya3 on Jul 13, 2012 18:47:25 GMT -5
Seems like the right time to move on. But thanks to Coach Urick, by all accounts a great coach and great guy who built GU into a lacrosse power (at least for a few years there) from literally nothing.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jul 15, 2012 1:15:58 GMT -5
Big news.
Thanks, Coach Urick, for putting Georgetown Lacrosse on the map. I'm glad he'll remain on the Hilltop as a Special Assistant to the Athletic Director. Anybody on the board play lax/know Coach Urick? From what little I know about him, he seems like a good guy.
Now, let's get a great new coach to take us to the next level.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 15, 2012 22:40:14 GMT -5
Thanks for all your service to the University, Coach.
Anyone know if the athletic department will indeed promote Urick's hand-picked successor? I hope he is included as part of the search but there is a search. Lacrosse has exploded across the nation in the past 5-10 years and I'm sure we could find an up and coming Coach who would jump at the opportunity to Coach at a university with the resources and tradition of Georgetown.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jul 17, 2012 9:37:11 GMT -5
"It was a long run, that's for sure," Urick said when reached by telephone. "It seemed like the right time. There are many aspects of the job I know I'll miss, interacting with the student-athletes, working with players at practice and at games. But there are other parts of it, like any other kob, that aren't nearly as rewarding. I didn't really look forward to recruiting, it's taken on a life of its own and in my opinion has gone in an unfortunate direction."
I think that just about sums it up. If I had to pick a single adjective to describe Urick whenever I saw him the past few years, it would be "tired." With recruiting placing ever greater demands on a coach's time, it's easy to see how he was getting to the end of his rope.
For what it's worth, in my interactions with him, he always came off as likable and personable. He's not a particularly bubbly or dynamic guy, though, and it does seem like discontent among boosters was really starting to mount (Per Lee Reed's email, as of June 28, Men's Lacrosse had only raised 60% of their $137,890 target for FY12, coming in at $90,860).
Personally, I feel like this move was preordained when Kerwick was brought in. They may go through the motions of a search of some sort, but it's hard for me to believe that they brought him in - and he agreed to come in - without an understanding that he would be the head coach in waiting.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jul 17, 2012 10:09:29 GMT -5
Here's the part that unnerves me the most:
Dear member of the Georgetown Lacrosse family:
Twenty-three years ago, I arrived at Georgetown, excited about the opportunity to serve at such an outstanding institution of higher learning. I have decided that now, after 42 years of coaching college lacrosse, I am ready to shift gears.
Happily, I plan to continue working — as a special assistant to Director of Athletics, Lee Reed. I look forward to remaining involved in the future of Georgetown Athletics, especially as we take on the challenge of constructing a new intercollegiate athletic center and a new lacrosse locker room. I am confident that the lacrosse program will remain a strong and vital part of Georgetown Athletics. I look forward to becoming another fan in the grandstand.
As I look back on the intervening years, I am most proud of the accomplishments of our players. Much has been achieved on the field, but most meaningfully, it is their development as young men that has mattered the most to me.
Looking ahead, there will be an immediate open search for a new head coach. The administration will be looking for the best coaching talent who is also the best fit for Georgetown University. I anticipate working with the new coaching staff to ensure that there is a smooth transition.
You will be hearing more in the coming weeks. Thank you for past and continued support and involvement.
Sincerely,
Dave Urick
"constructing a new intercollegiate athletic center and a new lacrosse locker room" - anything else? No? Not a certain long-promised stadium that the lacrosse team would play in, replacing the current middling high-school caliber facility? Ok, got it.
It's becoming pretty clear that, while not completely dead, the MSF is in cryogenic suspension, pending the invention of a cure for apathy.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 17, 2012 10:41:58 GMT -5
"constructing a new intercollegiate athletic center and a new lacrosse locker room" - anything else? No? Not a certain long-promised stadium that the lacrosse team would play in, replacing the current middling high-school caliber facility? Ok, got it. It's becoming pretty clear that, while not completely dead, the MSF is in cryogenic suspension, pending the invention of a cure for apathy. There are those who will not give to the IAC given the past failure of the University to honor its commitments to the MSF. As for Urick's non-comment, it';s been said that the coaches have been told to exercise discretion discussing facilities, and no one seems comfortable talking about the MSF. Remember the original III-shirt slogan? "Some have forgotten..."? |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jul 17, 2012 11:14:10 GMT -5
Georgetown doesn't like to discuss it but there are those who will not give to the IAC given the past failure of the University to honor its commitments to the MSF. Apples and oranges pineapples, of course. The University is clearly 100% committed to, and invested in, the construction of the IAC. The University has, just as clearly, always been lukewarm at best about the MSF, free commemorative hat giveaway notwithstanding. |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 17, 2012 12:16:53 GMT -5
Current stats:
Lacrosse (M) Cash raised: $147,400.25 Percentage of goal: 64% Dollars to goal: $81,350
A 33% increase from last year.
Crew and men's lax were the lowest percentage of their goal. Probably both suffering from facilities issues (boathouse and MSF).
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jul 17, 2012 23:10:43 GMT -5
Current stats: Lacrosse (M) Cash raised: $147,400.25 Percentage of goal: 64% Dollars to goal: $81,350 A 33% increase from last year. Crew and men's lax were the lowest percentage of their goal. Probably both suffering from facilities issues (boathouse and MSF). That could be a blanket excuse for almost any program at Georgetown. Men's basketball: no practice facility. Women's basketball: McDonough. Football: MSF. Baseball: Too far from campus. Softball: No true facility. Field hockey: No true facility. Track: No true facility. |
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jul 18, 2012 7:26:04 GMT -5
Current stats: Lacrosse (M) Cash raised: $147,400.25 Percentage of goal: 64% Dollars to goal: $81,350 A 33% increase from last year. Crew and men's lax were the lowest percentage of their goal. Probably both suffering from facilities issues (boathouse and MSF). That could be a blanket excuse for almost any program at Georgetown. Men's basketball: no practice facility. Women's basketball: McDonough. Football: MSF. Baseball: Too far from campus. Softball: No true facility. Field hockey: No true facility. Track: No true facility. Except those sports all met or came within a few percentage points of their goals. The lack of men's lacrosse fundraising success in the past few years (as I've been told by McD that 60-65% has been a yearly occurrence recently) is glaring. |
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