Stephen Domingo to Enroll IMMEDIATELY

[gtowndynasty]

Jul 12, 2012 9:23:05 GMT -5 Yaboynyp said:

I don’t think it’s 3’s responsibility to notify any school official of anything. That should be the job of Domingo’s family and if they didn’t feel they need to discuss it with the coach well that’s their decision...

Bingo. Although some may say he should have, the fact is that he doesnt need to. In football, college coaches have to snuggle up to the HS coaches because it is their only access. On the basketball side, a college coach doesnt have to ever interact with the hs coach bc the major recruiting is done through the aau circuit. Thus, this should not hurt gtown bball going forward having alienated a coach/school.

But if SD or his family really were fond of the coach/program, they would have spoke on it. Cant lay the blame at the feet of III on this one.

[seaweed]

i talked to GU after my junior year in HS because there was a chance I might not get a diploma if I went overseas on an exchange. the school had no problem with that - no requirement that you get a US HS diploma, much less one from St Francis Prep. NCAA is different yes, but the school's statement was really clear that he didn't have enough credits to graduate from SFP, no comment on his overall ability to meet state graduation guidelines. The school is bitter and we lose nothing if we alienate them - it's not like it's Dematha;-)

[jgalt]

Ok, here are the core course requirements for NCAA d1:

fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Quick_Reference_Sheet.pdf

None of them require 4 years, except for English. But you dont need 8 semesters of high school english to accomplish this. You can take summer course, or have taken a high level english class in 8th grade. Also the SAT requirements are very low. A 1010 (math and verbal only) is very low for anyone who is thinking about attending a top level academic school.

Many of you had probably satisfied these requirements (or could have, if you tried) by junior year. And it doesnt take AP classes to do this. One of my friends in HS (a public HS) could have left after junior year to play football (which he now does D1), but chose to stay to get better offers (his senior year moved him from d2/d1aa to D1). He took like 4 joke classes senior year, and one of them was weight lifting, so essentially football practice for credit.

I dont think we have to worry about Stephen qualifying with the NCAA, as the standards are very straight forward and easy to accomplish. The real take away is how shocking it should be when kids dont satisfy these requirements. There is really no excuse for someone like Nerlens to have to take more classes this summer. Some one of his handlers should have figured this out over a year ago.

[Jack]

Jul 12, 2012 10:40:42 GMT -5 seaweed said:

i talked to GU after my junior year in HS because there was a chance I might not get a diploma if I went overseas on an exchange. the school had no problem with that - no requirement that you get a US HS diploma, much less one from St Francis Prep. NCAA is different yes, but the school's statement was really clear that he didn't have enough credits to graduate from SFP, no comment on his overall ability to meet state graduation guidelines. The school is bitter and we lose nothing if we alienate them - it's not like it's Dematha;-)

It is true that a HS diploma is not a prerequisite for admission to Georgetown, though it would certainly be the rare case that anyone would come to GU after only 3 years at a traditional high school, star athlete or otherwise.

I would point out that while alienating Saint Ignatius is unlikely to have serious consequences for the Hoyas basketball program, it would be preferable not to spit in the face of a very well-regarded Jesuit HS that typically sends 5 or more students to GU every year. I don't mean to suggest that is what has happened, I have no idea whether their concerns are justified or what type of communication took place, but clearly there are at least some hurt feelings from a key feeder school here.

[kghoya]

This is a great example to bring up the next time somebody tries to say that AAU is inherently bad and shady while HS basketball is so great.

It comes down to the coach and the coach at SI is seriously bent about losing his best player a season earlier than he figured.

The thing is, at least from everything I've heard, is that he was going to most likely end up at Findlay Prep anyway. So either way, no SI for Domingo.

[calhoya]

Am I missing something or is it the family that should have control of the student's future, not the high school? How can the school be alienated other than a basketball coach who is obviously frustrated. I don't see any quotes from Domingo's English teacher indicating he is not ready for college. nor do I see an academic advisor chiming in on his readiness. If this is about basketball then I doubt staying at the high school in a relatively weak league is in the best interest of the player. If it is about maturity of the student or readiness for college, then that is not a topic for the basketball coach or the athletic director, but rather for the parents and their advisors. No one wants to see students leaving high school early--however, this is the case of moving to a college, not dropping out or jumping into the NBA.

[Jack]

Jul 12, 2012 13:03:09 GMT -5 calhoya said:

Am I missing something or is it the family that should have control of the student's future, not the high school? How can the school be alienated other than a basketball coach who is obviously frustrated. I don't see any quotes from Domingo's English teacher indicating he is not ready for college. nor do I see an academic advisor chiming in on his readiness. If this is about basketball then I doubt staying at the high school in a relatively weak league is in the best interest of the player. If it is about maturity of the student or readiness for college, then that is not a topic for the basketball coach or the athletic director, but rather for the parents and their advisors. No one wants to see students leaving high school early--however, this is the case of moving to a college, not dropping out or jumping into the NBA.

Of course quotes like that (even if true) from a teacher or college counselor would be wildly inappropriate, even moreso than what the coaches and administrators have already said. The fact remains that Georgetown would almost never allow a student to enroll after completing their junior year of high school, even if that student was at the very top of their class from a strong school like SI, unless SI was also prepared to say that student was graduating. I recognize these are trifling concerns in the world of big time college basketball, but they are still issues that the admissions office will be called to answer for in future dealings with the school.

[SFHoya99]

Jul 12, 2012 12:44:00 GMT -5 Jack said:

Jul 12, 2012 10:40:42 GMT -5 seaweed said:

i talked to GU after my junior year in HS because there was a chance I might not get a diploma if I went overseas on an exchange. the school had no problem with that - no requirement that you get a US HS diploma, much less one from St Francis Prep. NCAA is different yes, but the school's statement was really clear that he didn't have enough credits to graduate from SFP, no comment on his overall ability to meet state graduation guidelines. The school is bitter and we lose nothing if we alienate them - it's not like it's Dematha;-)

It is true that a HS diploma is not a prerequisite for admission to Georgetown, though it would certainly be the rare case that anyone would come to GU after only 3 years at a traditional high school, star athlete or otherwise.

I would point out that while alienating Saint Ignatius is unlikely to have serious consequences for the Hoyas basketball program, it would be preferable not to spit in the face of a very well-regarded Jesuit HS that typically sends 5 or more students to GU every year. I don't mean to suggest that is what has happened, I have no idea whether their concerns are justified or what type of communication took place, but clearly there are at least some hurt feelings from a key feeder school here.

If by "spit in the face" you mean "allow a student to pursue the goals he's chosen for himself" then yeah...

Look, it's VERY obvious that Coach Whats-his-name's response is 100% about himself. There's a throwaway line about Stephen being capable, perhaps, but MAN DOES THIS SCREW US FOR NEXT YEAR and OH HE WAS NEVER A GOOD TEAM PLAYER ANYWAY and OH DID I MENTION HOW ANNOYED I'M GOING TO BE WHEN I EXPLAIN THAT DOMINGO IS A SPECIAL CASE AND THEY SHOULDN'T DO THIS?!?!

The guy whines a lot, throws a 17-year old who is undoubtedly both smarter and more talented than him under the bus and then pretends like this is going to spawn a national phenomena.

(It's weird. Jeremy Tyler didn't spawn an international exodus and Bryce Harper didn't spawn a mass of juniors going to CC.)

If SI has a problem, I suggest they start by asking what it means to be Jesuit. I'm all for educating the whole person, sports included, but man, throwing a 17 year old under the bus because your record might be worse next year...

[SFHoya99]

Jul 12, 2012 13:18:51 GMT -5 Jack said:

Jul 12, 2012 13:03:09 GMT -5 calhoya said:

Am I missing something or is it the family that should have control of the student's future, not the high school? How can the school be alienated other than a basketball coach who is obviously frustrated. I don't see any quotes from Domingo's English teacher indicating he is not ready for college. nor do I see an academic advisor chiming in on his readiness. If this is about basketball then I doubt staying at the high school in a relatively weak league is in the best interest of the player. If it is about maturity of the student or readiness for college, then that is not a topic for the basketball coach or the athletic director, but rather for the parents and their advisors. No one wants to see students leaving high school early--however, this is the case of moving to a college, not dropping out or jumping into the NBA.

Of course quotes like that (even if true) from a teacher or college counselor would be wildly inappropriate, even moreso than what the coaches and administrators have already said. The fact remains that Georgetown would almost never allow a student to enroll after completing their junior year of high school, even if that student was at the very top of their class from a strong school like SI, unless SI was also prepared to say that student was graduating. I recognize these are trifling concerns in the world of big time college basketball, but they are still issues that the admissions office will be called to answer for in future dealings with the school.

"Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low."

Both Georgetown and SI are benefitting from Stephen Domingo attending their schools. Both gave or will give something back.

The difference between two point of views is that Stephen Domingo wants to be at Georgetown.

The people at SI, if they honestly have an issue with this, should look to their own pathetic selves. It's all about the kids, right?

[Jack]

Both Georgetown and SI are academic institutions, first and foremost. SI sets a certain standard for students to graduate and holds that standard up as important and worthwhile in its own right, as well as being necessary preparation for college level work. SD has yet to meet that standard, and yet he is being offered the opportunity to attend a college that many of his classmates would also like to attend, yet most will be unable to gain admission even after they do attain the standard SI has set. Certainly everyone understands why he has been given such a unique opportunity, but it should at least give us pause to give him such a blatant exception to what both institutions otherwise represent as very important benchmarks to attain.

I just hope that such a decision was taken with great care and in consultation with academic staff at SI. I have no evidence to the contrary, I only make these points as counter to those who say, effectively, "Screw SI." I wholeheartedly agree the coach should have no say in the matter and he has ample self-interest that colors everything he has said publicly.

[swhoya]

Who is saying that the coach should have had a say in the matter? Show me one quote on this board that anyone says he should have had a hand in the decision-making process? And where did I or anyone else say that Georgetown "coerced" him into coming to Georgetown, as someone claimed? Good grief, the one thing that drives me nuts about these discussions is that people do a very cursory reading and claim/infer that someone wrote something that wasn't written. For example, KCHoya asks how I know III didn't contact him...never mind that in my first post I clearly stated I'm just going off of what the coach said and that there may be more to it. READ people; this isn't a Syracuse board.

My problem isn't that the coach should have had a say in SD's decision. If SD had a good relationship with his coach, he probably would have been included in the discussions. It's a decision, first and foremost, for SD and his family, not for SI or even for Georgetown. My only problem--and as I originally said I don't have all the information, just the quotes from the coach--is that it's just unseemly to break this via the media. I really don't read the quotes as being as bad as others read them, but even if they are that bad, then fine, the coach is wrong. Doesn't mean that from a reputational or relationship standpoint that either SD or III shouldn't have given him a head's up. Is it required? Obviously not. But probably a good idea regardless.

[SFHoya99]

Jul 12, 2012 13:47:36 GMT -5 Jack said:

Both Georgetown and SI are academic institutions, first and foremost. SI sets a certain standard for students to graduate and holds that standard up as important and worthwhile in its own right, as well as being necessary preparation for college level work. SD has yet to meet that standard, and yet he is being offered the opportunity to attend a college that many of his classmates would also like to attend, yet most will be unable to gain admission even after they do attain the standard SI has set. Certainly everyone understands why he has been given such a unique opportunity, but it should at least give us pause to give him such a blatant exception to what both institutions otherwise represent as very important benchmarks to attain.

I just hope that such a decision was taken with great care and in consultation with academic staff at SI. I have no evidence to the contrary, I only make these points as counter to those who say, effectively, "Screw SI." I wholeheartedly agree the coach should have no say in the matter and he has ample self-interest that colors everything he has said publicly.

Eh, I don't care if they consulted SI or not. I'm sure they didn't call my high school when I applied, and I'm sure they know a lot more about Stephen Domingo and his abilities than Georgetown ever knew about me.

I'm sorry, but this mostly just screams of small people harrumping about unimportant things, never REALLY thinking of the person in the midst of it all.

ETA: I don't mean you, or academia, or admissions in general... just anyone that's really complaining they weren't consulted. I was third in my class and my "guidance" counselor asked if I was looking at trade schools. Complaining that a kid got into a Top 25 school in any manner doesn't fit with doing what is best for your kids.

[seaweed]

Jul 12, 2012 13:35:31 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

Jul 12, 2012 13:18:51 GMT -5 Jack said:

"Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low."

+1

[TC]

Jul 12, 2012 13:59:18 GMT -5 swhoya said:

My only problem--and as I originally said I don't have all the information, just the quotes from the coach--is that it's just unseemly to break this via the media.

It wasn't broken by the media. The article says SD's mother met with the principal.

The principal told Coach Reardon.

I'll also say this - it makes 0 sense in the situation where you are taking a kid a year ahead of schedule to tell the coach. You are effectively recruiting him away from that school. You do not want that coach to talk him back into High School (and probably away from your school the next year).

[rosslynhoya]

Jul 12, 2012 16:07:22 GMT -5 TC said:

Jul 12, 2012 13:59:18 GMT -5 swhoya said:

My only problem--and as I originally said I don't have all the information, just the quotes from the coach--is that it's just unseemly to break this via the media.

It wasn't broken by the media. The article says SD's mother met with the principal.

The principal told Coach Reardon.

I'll also say this - it makes 0 sense in the situation where you are taking a kid a year ahead of schedule to tell the coach. You are effectively recruiting him away from that school. You do not want that coach to talk him back into High School (and probably away from your school the next year).

Those are good points, but earlier stories reported that Domingo was already considering a potential transfer from St. Ignatius to Findlay Prep. If he was a goner anyway, you'd think the coach would be relieved that an actual university stole him rather than a basketball factory.

[FrazierFanatic]

Or you at LEAST want to wait until the school year is over and grades are posted, in case the bball coach has influence at the school.

[rosslynhoya]

It looks like the "Vice Principal for Academics" is piling on (2:40 pm update):

www.sanfranpreps.com/2012/07/11/boys-basketball-domingo-will-forgo-senior-season-at-si-to-enroll-at-georgetown/

I think, if his high school continues to bash him instead of celebrating that an SI kid got into GU as a junior, that the Hoyas roster should just list his hometown and 'School of Hard Knocks' where a high school would normally be.

[TC]

Jul 12, 2012 16:30:52 GMT -5 rosslynhoya said:

It looks like the "Vice Principal for Academics" is piling on (2:40 pm update):

www.sanfranpreps.com/2012/07/11/boys-basketball-domingo-will-forgo-senior-season-at-si-to-enroll-at-georgetown/

The VP quote is from yesterday. I still can't believe they're allowed to go public with that, and the part where "We’re curious [how he is enrolling] on our end as well" is something they should not be saying because it is none of their damn business.

[hoyainspirit]

I'm sorry, but I find nothing wrong on SI's part in that 2:40 update paragraph by Nickolai.

[deacon]

Jul 12, 2012 17:48:41 GMT -5 hoyainspirit said:

I'm sorry, but I find nothing wrong on SI's part in that 2:40 update paragraph by Nickolai.

Me neither and I do find it more than a little strange that Domingo hasn't talked to his coach about his decision.