Kenner League 7/6 - 8/12/2012

[coldcrushbrother]

I live in Delaware and my 10 year old and I want to check out the semis and finals in August. How early would I have to get there to get in
Any info is helpful and appreciated!

[rosslynhoya]

Jul 11, 2012 21:45:25 GMT -5 coldcrushbrother said:

I live in Delaware and my 10 year old and I want to check out the semis and finals in August. How early would I have to get there to get in
Any info is helpful and appreciated!

I doubt anyone's been turned away from a Kenner game since AI's time, if ever. Show up and you'll get a seat somewhere.

[PhillyHoya]

Never fear. Nate is present and accounted for here in McD. FLHoya will be updating I'm sure.

[mapei]

Wondering if there's even a remote chance that a Team USA player or two might stop by on Sunday . . . Seems like their schedule would he highly regimented, and other kinds of basketball discouraged at the moment, but maybe one or two of those guys might like to stop by and say hello to Jeff or whatever.

[Eurostar]

just got back - Tombs won. Otto and DSR did the bulk of the shooting and scoring. DSR needs to keep that scoring instinct but do it within our offense. He cant fall in love with the 3, even though he buried a huge open one at the end of the game. Freeman might be the only other guy we've had with JT3 who looked as good driving and creating a pull up jumper.

Bolden looks serviceable but seems to hang his head a little to often when something doesnt go his way. With a little coaching from Othella, he will contribute this year.

[HoyaJake]

quick thoughts after watching tombs for the first time. i have not seen stats yet.

domingo and hayes both watched from the bench. hayes' knee was wrapped. it looked to me like hayes was two inches taller than bolden.

i thought allen was pretty damn good for a walk-on. small, but very active and plays good defense. didn't handle the ball much but seemed to make good decisions when he did. would have liked to see him play point a little bit but makes sense for DSR to get time doing that. even if he doesn't play he will be a really nice practice player.

otto had a rough first half but played better in the second half. his outside shot wasn't falling much but i thought he was looking for it / working on it.

bolden was better than i expected. everyone calls him a "project" and that is probably accurate, but i didn't think his skill level was all that bad. his movements are pretty fluid. athletic. had some nice shot blocks. also made some very odd decisions on both sides of the floor. missed a lot of free throws. looked like his form was ok so not sure if that was an abberation or not.

the reports on dsr seemed accurate to me. terrific offensive player. outstanding shooter. great at creating space for a shot. the one thing that surprised me was his ballhandling ability. better than i expected. i think he could definitely handle some time at pg. he's going to put up some very efficient offensive numbers in our offense with his shooting ability and his ability to get to the FT line. on the negative side, had a tendency to dribble too much which slowed down the flow of the offense, if such a thing exists in kenner. was a little disappointed with his passing. defense was bad. always a little dicey to look too much into defense in kenner, but i thought it stood out as being poor.

[deacon]

Jul 13, 2012 22:46:07 GMT -5 HoyaJake said:

quick thoughts after watching tombs for the first time. i have not seen stats yet.

domingo and hayes both watched from the bench. hayes' knee was wrapped. it looked to me like hayes was two inches taller than bolden.

i thought allen was pretty damn good for a walk-on. small, but very active and plays good defense. didn't handle the ball much but seemed to make good decisions when he did. would have liked to see him play point a little bit but makes sense for DSR to get time doing that. even if he doesn't play he will be a really nice practice player.

otto had a rough first half but played better in the second half. his outside shot wasn't falling much but i thought he was looking for it / working on it.

bolden was better than i expected. everyone calls him a "project" and that is probably accurate, but i didn't think his skill level was all that bad. his movements are pretty fluid. athletic. had some nice shot blocks. also made some very odd decisions on both sides of the floor. missed a lot of free throws. looked like his form was ok so not sure if that was an abberation or not.

the reports on dsr seemed accurate to me. terrific offensive player. outstanding shooter. great at creating space for a shot. the one thing that surprised me was his ballhandling ability. better than i expected. i think he could definitely handle some time at pg. he's going to put up some very efficient offensive numbers in our offense with his shooting ability and his ability to get to the FT line. on the negative side, had a tendency to dribble too much which slowed down the flow of the offense, if such a thing exists in kenner. was a little disappointed with his passing. defense was bad. always a little dicey to look too much into defense in kenner, but i thought it stood out as being poor.

I pretty much agree with all of this.

Bolden needs to eat a lot and stay in the weight room, but he looks promising. Shows some aggression on the offensive end in the paint and has good form on his jumper and from the line, it just didn't fall. He could be a player down the line.

I've always liked DSR's offensive game and what he showed tonight was par for the course, but like you said, his defense is horrendous. Looks completely lost all too often on that end and even if he does end up being Austin lite on the offensive end, he'll give it back and then some on the defensive end. I saw him enough in high school so it's not surprising, but it's disheartening. He has to improve immensely as a defender if he's going to play the kind of minutes many of us are expecting he will.

[sleepy]

I'm less worried about DSRs physical or mental ability to defend in the Kenner League.
I think the reality is that we will be primarily zone and matchup team. It should be a strength especially if we can find stability at the 5 spot. Honestly, I can't believe his skill set on D is worse than JCs whose speed masked a total lack of basic D skils, that was evident from the time he set foot on a Kenner league court. Unfortunately given the makeup of the teams he was on until this past year his weakness was continually exposed.

I have not seen DSR play and clearly there are concerns by those who have, just not sure that Kenner is the best place to evaluate for a whole host of reasons.

[HoyaJake]

agree with sleepy that we may play a lot of zone this year

[hoyainspirit]

Jul 15, 2012 10:30:43 GMT -5 sleepy said:

I'm less worried about DSRs physical or mental ability to defend in the Kenner League.
I think the reality is that we will be primarily zone and matchup team. It should be a strength especially if we can find stability at the 5 spot. Honestly, I can't believe his skill set on D is worse than JCs whose speed masked a total lack of basic D skils, that was evident from the time he set foot on a Kenner league court. Unfortunately given the makeup of the teams he was on until this past year his weakness was continually exposed.

I have not seen DSR play and clearly there are concerns by those who have, just not sure that Kenner is the best place to evaluate for a whole host of reasons.

Are you talking about Clark?

[hoyas big supporter]

Jul 15, 2012 13:04:59 GMT -5 hoyainspirit said:

Jul 15, 2012 10:30:43 GMT -5 sleepy said:

I'm less worried about DSRs physical or mental ability to defend in the Kenner League.
I think the reality is that we will be primarily zone and matchup team. It should be a strength especially if we can find stability at the 5 spot. Honestly, I can't believe his skill set on D is worse than JCs whose speed masked a total lack of basic D skils, that was evident from the time he set foot on a Kenner league court. Unfortunately given the makeup of the teams he was on until this past year his weakness was continually exposed.

I have not seen DSR play and clearly there are concerns by those who have, just not sure that Kenner is the best place to evaluate for a whole host of reasons.

Are you talking about Clark?

Yes, "JC" would be Jason Clark.

[hoyainspirit]

Then I totally disagree with this statement:

Jul 15, 2012 10:30:43 GMT -5 sleepy said:

Honestly, I can't believe his skill set on D is worse than JCs whose speed masked a total lack of basic D skils, that was evident from the time he set foot on a Kenner league court. Unfortunately given the makeup of the teams he was on until this past year his weakness was continually exposed.

A total lack of basic D skills? That is hyperbole in the extreme.

[Yaboynyp]

Jul 15, 2012 18:13:42 GMT -5 hoyainspirit said:

Then I totally disagree with this statement:

Jul 15, 2012 10:30:43 GMT -5 sleepy said:

Honestly, I can't believe his skill set on D is worse than JCs whose speed masked a total lack of basic D skils, that was evident from the time he set foot on a Kenner league court. Unfortunately given the makeup of the teams he was on until this past year his weakness was continually exposed.

A total lack of D skills? That is hyperbole in the extreme.

Yeah I totally disagree with the notion that JC was a poor defender who had a “total lack of basic D Skills”

[sleepy]

Not at all. When he came in to Georgetown his defensive skill set was non-existent. Frankly i was shocked that i kid at his level appeared to have had little coaching in basic defensive fundamentals and relied purely on speed and quickness to defend. He lacked basic defensive footwork had no lateral ability and was very tight in the hips further impeding his ability to defend. really how many times did you see him get in a basic defensive stance. I remember very clearlyhow everyone was concerned about his hadle which he improved dramaticaly after his 1st year. Didn't do a thing to improve the D

I can go on. Off the ball in man while he was quick with a number of deflections and steals he continued to get lost runnung through screens especialy with backcuts on the baseline where for three years he continued to lose his man. even thompson started sitting him when his play was exploited time after time at the top of the key. I'll give him credit with great improvement on the defensive end this past year better effort and awarenes contributed to much more solid play especially from mid jan through the season end. again he came into GU without basic defensive skills that any well coached 8th grader playing at a high level should have.

[hoyainspirit]

Again, I disagree. And I'll leave it at that.

[glidehoyas]

Jul 15, 2012 10:30:43 GMT -5 sleepy said:

I'm less worried about DSRs physical or mental ability to defend in the Kenner League.
I think the reality is that we will be primarily zone and matchup team. It should be a strength especially if we can find stability at the 5 spot. Honestly, I can't believe his skill set on D is worse than JCs whose speed masked a total lack of basic D skils, that was evident from the time he set foot on a Kenner league court. Unfortunately given the makeup of the teams he was on until this past year his weakness was continually exposed.

I have not seen DSR play and clearly there are concerns by those who have, just not sure that Kenner is the best place to evaluate for a whole host of reasons.

JC plays defense and plays it well at times he had no help remember it's a team game...

[glidehoyas]

Jul 15, 2012 18:13:42 GMT -5 hoyainspirit said:

Then I totally disagree with this statement:

Jul 15, 2012 10:30:43 GMT -5 sleepy said:

Honestly, I can't believe his skill set on D is worse than JCs whose speed masked a total lack of basic D skils, that was evident from the time he set foot on a Kenner league court. Unfortunately given the makeup of the teams he was on until this past year his weakness was continually exposed.

A total lack of basic D skills? That is hyperbole in the extreme.

I agree lol ... Jason was tasked to play the opposing teams best offensive weapon most of the time...

[glidehoyas]

Jul 15, 2012 19:17:33 GMT -5 sleepy said:

Not at all. When he came in to Georgetown his defensive skill set was non-existent. Frankly i was shocked that i kid at his level appeared to have had little coaching in basic defensive fundamentals and relied purely on speed and quickness to defend. He lacked basic defensive footwork had no lateral ability and was very tight in the hips further impeding his ability to defend. really how many times did you see him get in a basic defensive stance. I remember very clearlyhow everyone was concerned about his hadle which he improved dramaticaly after his 1st year. Didn't do a thing to improve the D

I can go on. Off the ball in man while he was quick with a number of deflections and steals he continued to get lost runnung through screens especialy with backcuts on the baseline where for three years he continued to lose his man. even thompson started sitting him when his play was exploited time after time at the top of the key. I'll give him credit with great improvement on the defensive end this past year better effort and awarenes contributed to much more solid play especially from mid jan through the season end. again he came into GU without basic defensive skills that any well coached 8th grader playing at a high level should have.

Are you serious do you need photos I sat right behind the bench and watch JC hound offensive players and dive for loose balls for key steals...don't know what you've been watching there dude...excellent defender sometimes know help defending...

[sleepy]

Don't need photos Glide, I have 4 years of his weak defense firmly engrained in my mind. Not for lack of effort he brought it almost every game i give him credit for that. I think you need to remove the rose colored Hoya glasses. Just as i said originally he came in with weak defensive skills diving for loose balls is not a skill. He had no defensive stance and when he got in one it was straight up his feet were never ever wide no wonder he had no lateral speed in either direction. The number of time the opposition ran switches at the top to find an isolation ,well i wish i had a dollar. I really don't mean to bash JC i have a tremendous amount of respect for him and how he grew as an offensive player and the effort he put into his D last year. The number of times that he was removed from the lineup based upon missed assignments and breakdowns well sorry glide not buying it. Excellent defender come on.

[hoyazeke]

I agree. JC was notr a very good on ball defender. He had the tools to be a shutdown on ball defender(long arms, big hands, quickness, decent size). But it never really translated to great D. I still remember the StJ game from 2 yrs ago when Harvey repeatedly broke JC down with ease off the bounce. SAD!!!!!!!