SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 19, 2015 11:27:25 GMT -5
I don't think anyone's trashing him. Clearly, Agau did not meet expectations at Louisville and there are going to be questions about whether that was a complete aberration or more reflective of his talent at this level. Georgetown would seem a good opportunity for him to reestablish himself. Georgetown's record with international players post-Mutombo has been mixed at best. Only one (Boumtje-Boumtje) made it to the NBA, while a run of both African and European players (Bosanac, Aw, Micoud, Dia, Touomou, Owinje, Dizdarevic, Guibunda, Mescheriakov, Ayegba) produced less than it probably should have. Good points DFW. Vernon Macklin didn't tear it up at GU, but he did quite well at UF - still wish he'd stayed. As for your list of foreign players, as I recall Boubacar Aw and Ya Ya Dia were the most successful. Dia surprised most of us by his senior year as we was quite effective that last year. Boubacar was AI's on court bodyguard. Neither Aw nor Dia, was a star but each played a valuable role for our Hoyas. Let's hope Agau can be even more successful. Adding him was a good move and could turn out to be a real coup. No downside to this one.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 19, 2015 12:23:54 GMT -5
I don't think anyone's trashing him. Clearly, Agau did not meet expectations at Louisville and there are going to be questions about whether that was a complete aberration or more reflective of his talent at this level. Georgetown would seem a good opportunity for him to reestablish himself. Georgetown's record with international players post-Mutombo has been mixed at best. Only one (Boumtje-Boumtje) made it to the NBA, while a run of both African and European players (Bosanac, Aw, Micoud, Dia, Touomou, Owinje, Dizdarevic, Guibunda, Mescheriakov, Ayegba) produced less than it probably should have. Josh Smith didn't meet expectations at UCLA either. IMO most transfers end up doing well because they are coming to a team that is a good fit for their skillset and measurables and are zeroing in on schools where they know they will get playing time.
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Post by huskerpower on Jan 19, 2015 13:20:11 GMT -5
FWIW, this has nothing to do with Akoy not meeting expectations at Louisville. I ask this, Have any of you ever had to recover from sports hernia surgery? Akoy was in total shutdown mode for basically 2-3months. I'm sure you are all smart enough to know what that does for strength and conditioning. Couple that with the incoming talent of the freshman class at that position and he flat out fell on the depth chart. As in my initial post I asked that you not trash the kid and give him a chance. I've watched him play basketball since his freshman year in high school. You just might be surprised what you have!!!!!!
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 19, 2015 13:36:57 GMT -5
FWIW, this has nothing to do with Akoy not meeting expectations at Louisville. I ask this, Have any of you ever had to recover from sports hernia surgery? Akoy was in total shutdown mode for basically 2-3months. I'm sure you are all smart enough to know what that does for strength and conditioning. Couple that with the incoming talent of the freshman class at that position and he flat out fell on the depth chart. As in my initial post I asked that you not trash the kid and give him a chance. I've watched him play basketball since his freshman year in high school. You just might be surprised what you have!!!!!! You have to just learn to ignore people if you are going to be on this board. People can be pretty brutal to players or the coach or team if they do not perform up to their ultra high expectations. That's just the nature of sports message boards in general but I figure people are nicer on message boards out in the midwest because people in general are nicer out there. I may watch a game and think it was a great win and am pumped and then I come on here and some people are complaining how we almost lost or should have won by more and that the coach should be fired. So just keep that in mind.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 19, 2015 13:47:05 GMT -5
FWIW, this has nothing to do with Akoy not meeting expectations at Louisville. I ask this, Have any of you ever had to recover from sports hernia surgery? Akoy was in total shutdown mode for basically 2-3months. I'm sure you are all smart enough to know what that does for strength and conditioning. Couple that with the incoming talent of the freshman class at that position and he flat out fell on the depth chart. As in my initial post I asked that you not trash the kid and give him a chance. I've watched him play basketball since his freshman year in high school. You just might be surprised what you have!!!!!! What posters are trashing him Husker?
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Post by seaweed on Jan 19, 2015 15:59:44 GMT -5
To me there is no better recommendation than not fitting in at Louisville
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Post by daymondmyles on Jan 19, 2015 16:08:12 GMT -5
I don't think anyone's trashing him. Clearly, Agau did not meet expectations at Louisville and there are going to be questions about whether that was a complete aberration or more reflective of his talent at this level. Georgetown would seem a good opportunity for him to reestablish himself. Georgetown's record with international players post-Mutombo has been mixed at best. Only one (Boumtje-Boumtje) made it to the NBA, while a run of both African and European players (Bosanac, Aw, Micoud, Dia, Touomou, Owinje, Dizdarevic, Guibunda, Mescheriakov, Ayegba) produced less than it probably should have. Agau moved to the U.S. when he was 8 years old. It's not like he grew up playing basketball outside the U.S..
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 19, 2015 16:28:29 GMT -5
I don't think anyone's trashing him. Clearly, Agau did not meet expectations at Louisville and there are going to be questions about whether that was a complete aberration or more reflective of his talent at this level. Georgetown would seem a good opportunity for him to reestablish himself. Georgetown's record with international players post-Mutombo has been mixed at best. Only one (Boumtje-Boumtje) made it to the NBA, while a run of both African and European players (Bosanac, Aw, Micoud, Dia, Touomou, Owinje, Dizdarevic, Guibunda, Mescheriakov, Ayegba) produced less than it probably should have. Josh Smith didn't meet expectations at UCLA either. IMO most transfers end up doing well because they are coming to a team that is a good fit for their skillset and measurables and are zeroing in on schools where they know they will get playing time. If you read the Josh smith thread, it's almost comical how many hoya talkers wanted nothing to do with him. Kid has come a long way and has really matured here at Georgetown. As far as Akoy goes, he's already a great kid and a hard worker. Think folks are going to be very happy he's here. With regard to foreign players, not sure how that is relevant. There are some fantastic foreign players playing college ball, we just haven't landed the right ones as of late.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 19, 2015 16:30:25 GMT -5
I don't think anyone's trashing him. Clearly, Agau did not meet expectations at Louisville and there are going to be questions about whether that was a complete aberration or more reflective of his talent at this level. Georgetown would seem a good opportunity for him to reestablish himself. Georgetown's record with international players post-Mutombo has been mixed at best. Only one (Boumtje-Boumtje) made it to the NBA, while a run of both African and European players (Bosanac, Aw, Micoud, Dia, Touomou, Owinje, Dizdarevic, Guibunda, Mescheriakov, Ayegba) produced less than it probably should have. Agau moved to the U.S. when he was 8 years old. It's not like he grew up playing basketball outside the U.S.. Right. We should add Ewing to the list of foreign players if we are using this criteria.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 19, 2015 17:13:04 GMT -5
If you read the Josh smith thread, it's almost comical how many hoya talkers wanted nothing to do with him. Kid has come a long way and has really matured here at Georgetown. As far as Akoy goes, he's already a great kid and a hard worker. Think folks are going to be very happy he's here. With regard to foreign players, not sure how that is relevant. There are some fantastic foreign players playing college ball, we just haven't landed the right ones as of late. I agree. I am excited about Agau joining the team. He's a top 100 recruit, who will have essentially had two years of college practice and experience (including almost a year of practice at Georgetown, if he cannot play until the second semester) when he can finally play. He also helps to fill a need we have at forward and possibly center. If we still had Dickerson coming in, things might have been a little overcrowded, but I think Agau fills a major need, especially considering that Govan is really the only center we have, assuming Hayes continues to be limited in his time. Now, if we could only land a guard!
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 19, 2015 17:31:01 GMT -5
Need to land a wing who can handle the ball more than we need a point for '15. Need a PG for '16 for sure however.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 19, 2015 18:11:18 GMT -5
With Peak, White, and Copeland developing nicely, not sure why a wing is a bigger need than a PG.
If we know we are going to need a PG for 2016 season, wouldn't it be nice to have one playing a reserve role next season under DSR and preparing for that 2016 season when he becomes a sophomore?
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Post by paulf on Jan 19, 2015 22:06:14 GMT -5
At halftime of Vill game. The ability to defend 4 guard offenses man to man is a new dimension for Hoyas and need replacements for Bowen and Bril next season to maintain that. Hopefully can keep this up in second half.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 20, 2015 0:17:47 GMT -5
As people have pointed out, he's not really international. I also don't really get how that's relevant.
Even we know more about Agau from videos and the such to not bother with with having to use proxies like "international student." And the staff has a heckuva lot more information. I know people love to classify and draw parallels, but there's so much more information out there than "international student." Oh, it's hard to build a narrative with the decent amount of info we have, but it's going to be more accurate.
And who says he didn't meet expectations at the Ville? Maybe he wanted more playing time than what he was getting at Louisville but that doesn't mean Pitino thought he sucked.. So yes, he's not going to come in and be Montrezl Harrell. Good to know. But what if he's Mikael Hopkins but can make a layup and not turn the ball over constantly? Isn't that a really good player? What if he's better than that?
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Post by sleepy on Jan 20, 2015 0:25:30 GMT -5
With Peak, White, and Copeland developing nicely, not sure why a wing is a bigger need than a PG. If we know we are going to need a PG for 2016 season, wouldn't it be nice to have one playing a reserve role next season under DSR and preparing for that 2016 season when he becomes a sophomore? Isn't that what Campbell is? I agree we need ANOTHER guard, but lets not forget about the point guard we do have.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 20, 2015 0:28:50 GMT -5
But what if he's Mikael Hopkins but can make a layup and not turn the ball over constantly? Isn't that a really good player? What if he's better than that? Like!
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 20, 2015 0:33:28 GMT -5
With Peak, White, and Copeland developing nicely, not sure why a wing is a bigger need than a PG. If we know we are going to need a PG for 2016 season, wouldn't it be nice to have one playing a reserve role next season under DSR and preparing for that 2016 season when he becomes a sophomore? Isn't that what Campbell is? I agree we need ANOTHER guard, but lets not forget about the point guard we do have. Campbell will have a major role on the team next year.. I'm pretty sure Ranch was referring to getting someone who can come in and be what Campbell is this season..
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 20, 2015 12:26:57 GMT -5
Since Peak is interchangeable at the 2/3 and Copeland and White are interchangeable at the 3/4, it would seem that a wing player is less of a need than a player who is interchangeable at the 1/2, considering we are losing Jabril and DSR in the next 2 years and only have Campbell as a 1/2 on the roster after that. Derrickson is another 3/4, Govan is a 5, and Akoy is a 4.
If they are looking to add another recruit this year, PG is the spot. If you can sign a stud PG in 2016, then so be it. But usually its nice to get a year under your belt before logging big minutes at the PG spot (see Tre Campbell and Phil Booth).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 16:08:12 GMT -5
Since Peak is interchangeable at the 2/3 and Copeland and White are interchangeable at the 3/4, it would seem that a wing player is less of a need than a player who is interchangeable at the 1/2, considering we are losing Jabril and DSR in the next 2 years and only have Campbell as a 1/2 on the roster after that. Derrickson is another 3/4, Govan is a 5, and Akoy is a 4. If they are looking to add another recruit this year, PG is the spot. If you can sign a stud PG in 2016, then so be it. But usually its nice to get a year under your belt before logging big minutes at the PG spot (see Tre Campbell and Phil Booth). I hear you ranch but what that says to me is that 1) The staff is really happy with Tre’s development at this point. 2) They think Paul can initiate some offense and 3) Theres not really any impact PG’s out there so get the best player available.
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Post by JWallsTreBalls on Jan 20, 2015 16:09:58 GMT -5
So is this kid on campus? Still no word from JTIII, right? He was thinking he'd be able to discuss last weekend? Would like to see him in there getting practice with the team.
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