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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 3, 2012 20:56:26 GMT -5
Interesting question posed by a commentator. Would the nursing school have to be moved as well if the Hospital was? I don't know anything about the nursing school and if they get any hands on experience at the hospital prior to graduation, but that could be a potential problem.
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 4, 2012 7:37:12 GMT -5
I'm trying to find the link to the 2005 HOYA April Fool's article about Georgetown shutting down the NHS, but I'm not having any luck.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on May 4, 2012 8:31:13 GMT -5
I may be incorrect here, but I think the nursing students do the clinical part of their education off-campus at other hospitals. Or at least some do so it seems like it won't be that big of a deal.
And even if they do need the hospital, I don't think making the NHS undergrads ride the GUTS bus will stand in the way of GU moving the hospital downtown.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 4, 2012 8:44:10 GMT -5
My point is I don't know much about the NHS and how much they're dependent on the hospital if they spend a lot of time there then it would probably make sense to move them with the Med school to the off campus location. And I know you have expressed that moving undergrads away from the main campus would change the Georgetown experience. And I agree with that notion. For all I know Nursing students could spend every day in the hospital in their junior and senior years. Of course there are different majors within the nursing school so I'm sure some like the Administration majors spend less if any time in the hospital.
I don't think it's an issue, but I do not know.
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Post by thebin on May 4, 2012 8:53:56 GMT -5
I may be incorrect here, but I think the nursing students do the clinical part of their education off-campus at other hospitals. Or at least some do so it seems like it won't be that big of a deal. And even if they do need the hospital, I don't think making the NHS undergrads ride the GUTS bus will stand in the way of GU moving the hospital downtown. That's my recollection. I remember a few nursing students worked occasionally at other hospitals throughout the district. Also totally agree that I'm not impressed at all with how much of a problem it is that a small subset of Gtown students might occasionally have to ride the GUTS bus to the hospital when weighed against adding about 30-40% to our main campus space. Very small sacrifice in the scheme of things. You should see the cat fight among the Harvard colleges to see who gets kicked out of Cambridge and has to set up shop in contiguous Allston.
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 4, 2012 9:18:59 GMT -5
I'm guessing that the NHS graduate programs - AG-ACNP/CNS, Family Nurse Practitioner, Nurse Anesthesia, Nurse Midwifery/Women's Health NP, and Post Master's Certificate - utilize the faculty and resources of the Medical Center much more than the NHS undergrads. Moving them wouldn't be a very big deal, I don't think, although the amount of kvetching from faculty who would have to go to two different places would surely be high.
In terms of the undergraduate experience (and graduate as well, though the graduate sciences are quite small right now), I think the biggest loss would be the opportunities for biomedical research on the Med Center campus that currently exist. Dedicating one of the existing buildings - say the Basic Research Building? - for that purpose might help offset this.
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Post by thebin on May 4, 2012 10:09:52 GMT -5
Wait....we have a building called "Basic Research Building?" I'm guessing that's the Basic Science Building, which is actually worse.
Of course we do. Basic Science Building, Village A, Village B, Village C, New South, Alumni Square, Multi-Sport Facility, Southwest Quadrangle, New Research Building, Building D, Research Resources Facility and wait for it....drum roll please.... The Research Building.
Worst Naming College Ever. Can we change our name from Georgetown University to Educational University? I think it is more in keeping with our no-nonsense nomenclature.
Honestly just pull a Jesuit's name (past or present) out of a hat at Sunday mass and name each new project after that guy with the stipulation that it is still of course eligible for naming rights going forward. Something...anything other than what do now. Every time I utter the words "multi-sport facility" a small piece of my soul dies. I try to avoid the words and just use the acronym which is less soul crushing.
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 4, 2012 10:21:57 GMT -5
Wait....we have a building called "Basic Research Building?" Of course we do. Basic Research Building, Village A, Village B, Village C, New South, Alumni Square, Multi-Sport Facility, Southwest Quadrangle..... Worst Naming College Ever. Can we change our name from Georgetown University to Educational University? I think it is more in keeping with our no-nonsense nomenclature. Honestly just pull a university Jesuit (past or present) name out of a hat at Sunday mass and name each new project after that guy with the stipulation that it is still of course eligible for naming rights going forward. Something...anything other than what do now. That's not even the worst one - "Building D" takes that cake. Then again, I live right next to a campus where all the buildings have only numbers, no names, and they all blend together into one giant concrete moonbase mausoleum. Hard to get too worked up over the Med Center after you've spent enough time around UDC. A couple of years ago, while remarking on the fact that Georgetown does not have any buildings named for famous alumni, I suggested that we simply appropriate their names and slap them onto currently default-named complexes. They're public figures, so it's all fair use, right? So Village A becomes Village Arroyo. Village C becomes Village Clinton. Building D becomes Building Dingell. We could also rename New South after Željko Komšić, which would be nicknamed " The Zelko," given the mass quantities of it consumed inside the walls.
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Post by thebin on May 4, 2012 10:23:51 GMT -5
I've been doing research since I first posted and just stumbled on "Building D" Russky. I must humbly disagree though that it takes the cake as "The Reasearch Building" cannot be beat for mind-numbing boredom inducement. Also, I think you are mistaken. There is no alcohol consumed in New South. It is a freshman dorm and freshmen are not of age. I know, it was mine.
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Post by jgalt on May 4, 2012 13:24:17 GMT -5
I know this is off topic, but kind of weird that Clinton wouldnt want to give enough to get his name on a building, being a politician and all. Would seem to play right into his vanity
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Post by thebin on May 4, 2012 13:42:54 GMT -5
Frankly giving a large amount of money to your alma mater- especially when it is seen as an elite private bastion of privilege- isn't exactly politically savvy these days. And not for scholarships for the poor for example but to have a shiny new building named after you? That's the sort of thing oil tycoons did in a previous age to "give back." Less so populist pols these days who don't have that kind of liquid anyway. I mean if you gave $10MM to UDC, that is politically savvy. But fancy pants Gtown? There is no profit in it for someone like Clinton. You need businessmen for that sort of thing.
There are lots of ways to get far more political capital out of any money you are ready to part with. And do you honestly think someone who was the most powerful person in the world for 8 years would have his vanity stoked by having Village C named after him? Its the kind of thing that would excite you or I but an ex-president? At the cost of millions of bucks? I can't see it being a priority while he is obviously still thinking about getting his wife elected president. Might need to keep that powder dry.
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 5, 2012 8:34:49 GMT -5
MedStar sure did dump cold water on this discussion right quick: "To answer your question, we are not planning on moving MedStar Georgetown University Hospital," Worley said. "As you can see, the comment in the Post article came from a developer, not a Georgetown person. We are not involved in the air rights location and we are not planning on moving MedStar GUH."Although this isn't so much a denial that MedStar wants to/will eventually have to move the hospital as it is a denial that they plan on moving to Capitol Crossing: Braunohler isn't necessarily wrong. The air rights project might well be a good location for medical services. Also, it's not completely absurd to think Georgetown and MedStar would like to move the hospital, which is just one of several major headaches from a long-term planning perspective on the crowded home campus.
But in exchange for freeing itself from the challenges of Georgetown, MedStar would be buying an entirely new set of headaches."Not completely absurd" is BizJournal-speak for "don't want ot say it publicly." Frankly giving a large amount of money to your alma mater- especially when it is seen as an elite private bastion of privilege- isn't exactly politically savvy these days. And not for scholarships for the poor for example but to have a shiny new building named after you? That's the sort of thing oil tycoons did in a previous age to "give back." Less so populist pols these days who don't have that kind of liquid anyway. I mean if you gave $10MM to UDC, that is politically savvy. But fancy pants Gtown? There is no profit in it for someone like Clinton. You need businessmen for that sort of thing. There are plenty of wealthy politicians, or the politically connected, who do pursue this sort of thing. There was the aforementioned Huntsman hospital complex at the University of Utah, as well as things like the Frist Campus Center at Princeton or the Linda McMahon (she counts!) building at Sacred Heart. I do think it's a pretty good bet that Georgetown will have something named after the Pelosis eventually (actually, the conference room directly above my office is already technically named for them, though no one knows or uses that name). In Clinton's case, aside from his generally not being very closely involved in the University, he's had a certain other building project going on that's probably occupied a lot of his attention.
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Post by kchoya on May 5, 2012 16:22:34 GMT -5
"MedStar doesn't pay rent at Georgetown under the original 2002 deal when the university sold the hospital operations to the nonprofit health system."
Brilliant
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Post by jgalt on May 5, 2012 18:03:26 GMT -5
But in exchange for freeing itself from the challenges of Georgetown, MedStar would be buying an entirely new set of headaches. I guess this is true, and obviously my position on this is biased, but i would have to think those issues would be less in a new facility in an area of the city that needs a hospital more than Georgetown. If its that they cant afford to move to the new place, thats one thing, but if its just "we dont like uncertainty" well, grow some balls so to speak.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 5, 2012 18:31:24 GMT -5
I'm sure there are a lot of issues with moving the hospital to that part of the city. They'd probably see a lot more patients on medicare/medicaid and more uninsured patients. They'd also have to probably up the quality and staffing of the Emergency Department. I do think Ultimately the Hospital will have to move and both Medstar and Georgetown will be better off for it in the long run.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 30, 2012 22:43:06 GMT -5
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Sept 30, 2012 23:03:36 GMT -5
Still not a fan of this
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 1, 2012 7:59:00 GMT -5
I think it would be a great place for a basketball arena, and field for our sports that aren't currently on campus: Field hockey, baseball, and softball. We could also use it as a conference center for meetings that used to be held in the leavy center after it gets converted to dorms.
We can run shuttles to games from Georgetown like they did when we played at US air and have a large parking complex for basketball games. We can also run shuttles to the Silver spring metro which is only 10 minutes away probably 20 during rush hour. We already shuttle from campus to dupont and it only takes 24 minutes to get from dupont to silver spring.
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Post by hoyatables on Oct 1, 2012 9:17:51 GMT -5
Why would you want to trek out to Silver Spring for basketball? Horrible idea. Verizon Center is an amazing venue.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 1, 2012 9:43:08 GMT -5
Why would you want to trek out to Silver Spring for basketball? Horrible idea. Verizon Center is an amazing venue. The ability to play Saturday night games. Not paying exorbinant rent. An actual home-court advantage. Closer to Townson when we join their conference.
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