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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 26, 2012 16:58:32 GMT -5
I'm surprised they didn't refer to him as former Kansas, UCLA, and [fill in all pro teams here] coach Larry Brown.
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Post by thebin on Apr 27, 2012 8:30:44 GMT -5
I'm surprised they didn't refer to him as former Kansas, UCLA, and [fill in all pro teams here] coach Larry Brown. Wait for it.....they did. In the middle of the piece they referred to I think both the UCLA and Kansas gigs if memory serves.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 27, 2012 9:34:16 GMT -5
I'm surprised they didn't refer to him as former Kansas, UCLA, and [fill in all pro teams here] coach Larry Brown. It's a conspiracy!
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 27, 2012 15:36:08 GMT -5
I smell Isiah Thomas and FIU here
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 27, 2012 17:20:34 GMT -5
I smell Isiah Thomas and FIU here Yes, because Isiah Thomas -- who was a terrible coach and executive -- is in any way comparable to Larry Brown. You can easily tell the people on the board who think that coaches have no impact on winning and losing -- that it's all recruiting, can't you?
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Post by gahoya on Apr 27, 2012 21:51:29 GMT -5
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 28, 2012 15:22:52 GMT -5
If by bold you mean disgraceful, then I agree. Disgraceful move and one that highlights the hypocricy of the NCAA in allowing coaches like Bo Ryan to prevent a kid from transferring to schools that may want to attend, while giving coaches free reign to change programs, cut kids scholarships, leave schools in shambles with sanctions while facing no punishment, etc.
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Post by gahoya on Apr 28, 2012 23:11:25 GMT -5
If you read the article, they didn't cut scholarships or restrict them from transferring. Actually, they allowed them to remain on scholarship even though they are no longer on the team, and do not need to workout, practice, or the other list of team activities. Instead, they just get a free education.
I like the move. Kind of a statement to how Larry wants the program to be serious.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 29, 2012 10:04:10 GMT -5
If you read the article, they didn't cut scholarships or restrict them from transferring. Actually, they allowed them to remain on scholarship even though they are no longer on the team, and do not need to workout, practice, or the other list of team activities. Instead, they just get a free education. That's inane. Hey kid, I know you've been playing basketball your whole life and you love it more than anything else in the world. I'm sure you're excited about being the starting PG on a team joining the Big East, but I'm going to cut you. Don't worry, you can still keep your scholarship at this school halfway across the country from where you grew up, but you cannot play basketball.
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Post by Ottomatic on Apr 29, 2012 17:28:52 GMT -5
This is ridiculous, lost some respect for him
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Post by gahoya on Apr 29, 2012 21:14:13 GMT -5
If you read the article, they didn't cut scholarships or restrict them from transferring. Actually, they allowed them to remain on scholarship even though they are no longer on the team, and do not need to workout, practice, or the other list of team activities. Instead, they just get a free education. That's inane. Hey kid, I know you've been playing basketball your whole life and you love it more than anything else in the world. I'm sure you're excited about being the starting PG on a team joining the Big East, but I'm going to cut you. Don't worry, you can still keep your scholarship at this school halfway across the country from where you grew up, but you cannot play basketball. If you ask me, that's a lot better than getting cut with no scholarship. The kid was a starting point guard and averaged like four points a game and one assist or something like that. Also, pretty sure the kid grew up in Texas. While it still sucks to get cut like that, I think they did it in a good way. I'm sure that nobody wants to cut anybody, but I guess Larry Brown just thought that the only way to be competitive next year was to get rid of 'em.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 29, 2012 21:26:02 GMT -5
That's inane. Hey kid, I know you've been playing basketball your whole life and you love it more than anything else in the world. I'm sure you're excited about being the starting PG on a team joining the Big East, but I'm going to cut you. Don't worry, you can still keep your scholarship at this school halfway across the country from where you grew up, but you cannot play basketball. If you ask me, that's a lot better than getting cut with no scholarship. The kid was a starting point guard and averaged like four points a game and one assist or something like that. Also, pretty sure the kid grew up in Texas. While it still sucks to get cut like that, I think they did it in a good way. I'm sure that nobody wants to cut anybody, but I guess Larry Brown just thought that the only way to be competitive next year was to get rid of 'em. Texas, Florida. Same difference.
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Post by gahoya on Apr 29, 2012 21:33:42 GMT -5
You caught me. I didn't google what state he was from. Being in Texas, most of their recruits come from Texas. Not too big of a stretch on my part.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 29, 2012 22:29:32 GMT -5
You do realize how bad SMU was last season, right? These players are not BE level, not even CUSA level.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 30, 2012 5:26:08 GMT -5
It's big time basketball. It happens, everywhere.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 30, 2012 8:50:39 GMT -5
You do realize how bad SMU was last season, right? These players are not BE level, not even CUSA level. It's big time basketball.
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Post by gahoya on Apr 30, 2012 9:20:12 GMT -5
I think that's the point of the move though. He realized with those kids who sucked they wouldn't have anything to do with 'big-time basketball'. If they want to compete in the Big East (good luck), they can't have a bunch of those kids on the roster.
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 30, 2012 9:51:27 GMT -5
I have no idea of what the SMU scholarship situation is, but couldn't Brown accomplish the same thing by recruiting over guys and just have them come to the realization they cannot play at SMU anymore? Isn't that how most big time programs operate? To actually come out and tell a kid - "you are not good enough to play for me, you can stay at the university just do not show up to workout tomorrow with your teammates" seems a bit too cold-blooded to me. Who wants to play in that type of professional atmosphere. Pros put up with that because they get paid, these kids are not being paid.
Big time basketball or not, there are better ways to handle 18-22 year old amateurs than this example by Larry Brown.
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 30, 2012 11:47:56 GMT -5
I have no idea of what the SMU scholarship situation is, but couldn't Brown accomplish the same thing by recruiting over guys and just have them come to the realization they cannot play at SMU anymore? Isn't that how most big time programs operate? To actually come out and tell a kid - "you are not good enough to play for me, you can stay at the university just do not show up to workout tomorrow with your teammates" seems a bit too cold-blooded to me. Who wants to play in that type of professional atmosphere. Pros put up with that because they get paid, these kids are not being paid. Big time basketball or not, there are better ways to handle 18-22 year old amateurs than this example by Larry Brown. IMO, to be recruited over and forced to ride the pine without any explanation whatsoever is worse than someone telling you flat out, listen, you're not good enough to play here, you're welcome to stay in school and pursue your education but if you want to play basketball, you're gonna have to do it somewhere else. They're welcome to transfer and in situations like these I think the transfer rules as silly, but, why baby them? By 18-22, tons of other kids have already faced their first rejections whether through the college/grad school application cycle, or when they are out looking for their first real job. These kids don't have to deal with that, for the top 200 or so kids, people are knocking on their doors to get them to come to their school. Yeah, its heartbreaking, but it's the way of the world. You're right, these kids aren't getting paid, they are playing in exchange for a scholarship that they get to keep!
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Post by jgalt on Apr 30, 2012 12:59:46 GMT -5
I have no idea of what the SMU scholarship situation is, but couldn't Brown accomplish the same thing by recruiting over guys and just have them come to the realization they cannot play at SMU anymore? Isn't that how most big time programs operate? To actually come out and tell a kid - "you are not good enough to play for me, you can stay at the university just do not show up to workout tomorrow with your teammates" seems a bit too cold-blooded to me. Who wants to play in that type of professional atmosphere. Pros put up with that because they get paid, these kids are not being paid. Big time basketball or not, there are better ways to handle 18-22 year old amateurs than this example by Larry Brown. Enh, I guess its just a different way of seeing it. I think this is a really passive aggressive way of handling the situation. The more honest thing is to just tell the kid you arent going to play for me. Now they at least have a chance to transfer and keep a year of eligibility or stay at SMU and finish their degrees. And I believe that JTIII has done this before with kids (telling them they werent going to get to play) just didnt kick them off the team (believe this is why Josh Thronton transferred). If these kids were better at basketball wouldnt it follow that they would have just elected to transfer after this happened and we probably would only here "such and such is transferring"?
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