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Post by IDenj on Sept 30, 2012 12:12:11 GMT -5
Porter was a top 30 recruit who chose not to play AAU ball. You cannot seriously be trying to argue the fact that Otto wasn't an under the radar recruit??? sounds like some serious trolling to me. Porter was 37 on Rivals, 42 on Scout. Had Anderson not gone to Arkansas, good chance he was to be a Tiger. He as also being recruited by Danny Manning at KU. He played in a couple ASG post season. Porter was not under the radar.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 30, 2012 12:20:07 GMT -5
what do you think are more pressing needs? A big man who can control the paint/boards. A highly ranked pg that is skilled. More top 25 talent. Less under the radar types. And if the need is a 4 get one who is better than an 80th ranked player and who RDF says was at best the 4th best player on his team.I know rankings don't mean jack. I keep hearing this all the time. But that is what people tell themselves when they can't get top end talent. JW3 is ranked 35th by ESPN, 47th by Rivals & 31st by Scout.. There's no need to skew the numbers Enj.. As far as him being the 4th best player on his team so what, it happens like that sometimes but that doesn't mean the kid isn't talented. Nick King & Jujuan Johnson are both highly recruited & ranked players in 2013 class and KJ Lawson will be in the coming years..
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Post by IDenj on Sept 30, 2012 12:22:21 GMT -5
This is a luxury, not a need. And this isn't a case of BPA.
Should not have taken Cameron if we were still in play with Williams.
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 30, 2012 12:26:08 GMT -5
At this point of the 2011 recruiting cycle, if we had taken Otto you would have flipped out because he was a total unknown. By the Spring people started to catch on.
Whitt was more known in the area, but lots of people questioned taking his commitment.
I get that we have recruited a bunch of guys who are somewhat similar but that's by design, IMO. Coach wants long, versataile players who can hit shots. If we are playing Domingo at the 2, Cameron at the 3, and JW3 at the 4 in a couple years, I will happily take that.
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Post by IDenj on Sept 30, 2012 12:29:46 GMT -5
NYC Porter was a known commodity that fall. What he wasn't was a vet on the AAU circuit. Most in the recruiting world acknowledged his ranking would have been much higher they seen more of him.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 30, 2012 12:42:10 GMT -5
You cannot seriously be trying to argue the fact that Otto wasn't an under the radar recruit??? sounds like some serious trolling to me. Porter was 37 on Rivals, 42 on Scout. Had Anderson not gone to Arkansas, good chance he was to be a Tiger. He as also being recruited by Danny Manning at KU. He played in a couple ASG post season. Porter was not under the radar.Seriously Enj? sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=6014589
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Post by IDenj on Sept 30, 2012 12:48:41 GMT -5
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Sept 30, 2012 12:50:38 GMT -5
This is a luxury, not a need. And this isn't a case of BPA. Should not have taken Cameron if we were still in play with Williams. I agree with Enj on this point. Weird to take a commit from Cameron when they did.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Sept 30, 2012 12:51:45 GMT -5
You cannot seriously be trying to argue the fact that Otto wasn't an under the radar recruit??? sounds like some serious trolling to me. Porter was 37 on Rivals, 42 on Scout. Had Anderson not gone to Arkansas, good chance he was to be a Tiger. He as also being recruited by Danny Manning at KU. He played in a couple ASG post season. Porter was not under the radar. Yes, but he was under the radar on the national scene. Most of his recruitment came from the south, and even as a top 40 player not much was known about him because he didn't get AAU exposure. He was a later addition to the rankings, but even as a Jordan Brand Classic member scouts weren't necessarily particularly high on him because he was such an unknown. The only reason JT3 heard of him was because of personal connections with the staff. Or he wouldn't have even gotten out of the south. Hence, under-the-radar.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Sept 30, 2012 12:54:41 GMT -5
NYC Porter was a known commodity that fall. What he wasn't was a vet on the AAU circuit. Most in the recruiting world acknowledged his ranking would have been much higher they seen more of him. Exactly....they hadn't seen more of him. Not many people saw a lot of him That's the point. He was under the radar at the time. As for Whittington, he was much more well known in the area his senior year, but still everyone questioned his level of competition and several other things about him as a player. Both guys were under the radar
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Sept 30, 2012 12:57:47 GMT -5
This is a luxury, not a need. And this isn't a case of BPA. Should not have taken Cameron if we were still in play with Williams. I agree with Enj on this point. Weird to take a commit from Cameron when they did. Yeah there is some validity to this, but in my mind you can never have enough shooters. But even if JW3 does commit I think we are in good shape with their schollies more or less being accounted for (early departure and illness/injury departure).
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Post by daymondmyles on Sept 30, 2012 13:26:23 GMT -5
You can't fault the staff for recruting and signing Cameron while we are in good shape with j3. How many times have we been in a recruit's top 2 or 3 and not landed him even when it was rumored we were leading? Many times. So you have to keep recruting no matter what. And if you put Cameron on hold and then lose out on J3, you risk having nothing.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Sept 30, 2012 13:30:43 GMT -5
Very valid points. Only time will tell if we've been making the right moves.
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 30, 2012 13:38:30 GMT -5
This is a luxury, not a need. And this isn't a case of BPA. Should not have taken Cameron if we were still in play with Williams. I agree with Enj on this point. Weird to take a commit from Cameron when they did. home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_100_Summer_2013.htmCameron's RSCI rank is #83. He says he is 6'8, 220 Lbs. and everyone says he's a great shooter. And JT3 loves him. We all want the team to get longer. Need shooters and spacing to run our Offense. Reggie said to have great Hoops IQ. Next year, we could easily lose Porter AND Whittington. Finally, "a bird in hand". I can't find any reason to criticize JT3 for taking a Top 100 kid who fits our system, adds size, and has been described as "perfect for the system the Hoyas run".
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Post by Highsmith on Sept 30, 2012 14:46:56 GMT -5
I agree with Enj on this point. Weird to take a commit from Cameron when they did. home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_100_Summer_2013.htmCameron's RSCI rank is #83. He says he is 6'8, 220 Lbs. and everyone says he's a great shooter. And JT3 loves him. We all want the team to get longer. Need shooters and spacing to run our Offense. Reggie said to have great Hoops IQ. Next year, we could easily lose Porter AND Whittington. Finally, "a bird in hand". I can't find any reason to criticize JT3 for taking a Top 100 kid who fits our system, adds size, and has been described as "perfect for the system the Hoyas run". Exactly--Cameron isn't someone anyone here seemed to be drooling over, but he looks like a great fit.....
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Post by IDenj on Sept 30, 2012 14:51:20 GMT -5
You can't fault the staff for recruting and signing Cameron while we are in good shape with j3. How many times have we been in a recruit's top 2 or 3 and not landed him even when it was rumored we were leading? Many times. So you have to keep recruting no matter what. And if you put Cameron on hold and then lose out on J3, you risk having nothing. Ok. But now you have limited ships and other areas that need to be addressed. This is where you need to change focus. Williams sounds like a nice player, not elite nor is he a stud, so put your effort into a pg or a legit big.
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Post by jsk793 on Sept 30, 2012 15:07:02 GMT -5
Again, you say put your effort into a Pg or a legit big, but Ill say it again, we arent kentucky or UNC. They recruit the top 3 pgs and are bound to get 1. Not us, pg's are weary to come here because of the offense. Who do you want us to recruit instead of JWIII? We are on peters, we are on meeks, and we are on ndiaye. Who do you want us to recruit? the harrisons, julias randle? We cant recruit the big guys and win. That is why you always have to recruit all players. We reruit the big guys, but stay on the lesser known recruits in case we cant get the big recruit, (which is what usually happens).
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 30, 2012 15:11:10 GMT -5
I agree with Enj on this point. Weird to take a commit from Cameron when they did. home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_100_Summer_2013.htmCameron's RSCI rank is #83. He says he is 6'8, 220 Lbs. and everyone says he's a great shooter. And JT3 loves him. We all want the team to get longer. Need shooters and spacing to run our Offense. Reggie said to have great Hoops IQ. Next year, we could easily lose Porter AND Whittington. Finally, "a bird in hand". I can't find any reason to criticize JT3 for taking a Top 100 kid who fits our system, adds size, and has been described as "perfect for the system the Hoyas run". This! I think too much is also being made about having top guards. You can have Wright and Freeman....but even that was no guarantee. I'd take guys like Otto and Whitt all day long....and that's the approach III is going with. If we have a bunch of guys who can rebound, defend, shoot and have good bball IQ's that are all between 6'6" and 6'9", plus some bigs and combo guards....we will win.
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Post by idhoya on Sept 30, 2012 16:05:17 GMT -5
look, until III shows me otherwise; it's gonna be combo guards from here on out. All the '14 and '15 guards GU is recruiting are combos. Peters is a combo. Score, create his own shot, get others involved...combo guard.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Sept 30, 2012 16:08:14 GMT -5
Don't worry Markel, DSR, Domingo and Mikael will make Enjj a believer.
We don't HAVE to recruit as urgently as you suggest when we have a core of good players at other positions. For one year our frontcourt will be by committee with Mikael stepping up a bit. And hopefully by next year a center should make the leap (Hayes, Moses). And I think you'll really like what Markel brings this year. He is talented and focused. A strong year could put him on the NBA radar a bit. Especially if the team does well.
We missed on Agau, Meeks wants unc, were on N'Diaye....there's not much more we can do. We put all of our recruiting eggs in Noel's basket and we sortve got burned on some solid bigs last year.
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