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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2012 11:00:10 GMT -5
Take with a grain of salt but Vols fans/insiders seem to think it’s GTown out in front with Mizzou and Tenn behind but in pursuit. FWIW
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2012 12:17:30 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up at Georgetown. If you want to compare to someone--think Delvon Roe after the injury--which is likely why Izzo is so interested--Roe was one of his favorite people. Everyone associated with Williams has said he's an outstanding person too.
Say "after the injury" because prior to Roe getting injured in HS--he was considered an elite/top 5 in class type of recruit. Injuries ruined his career but he was a good role player/team leader after his initial injury.
The Lamar Odom comparisons are insane. He's nowhere near that level of player.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Sept 28, 2012 13:33:26 GMT -5
It blows my mind when people jump on camparisons....he's not projecting him to be like Lamar Odom, he is just saying that that is the closest player that his style of play/game compares to. Nobody said he's a Lamar Odom level player. Sure, his handle doesn't compare. But who would you compare him to then?
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2012 13:46:48 GMT -5
It blows my mind when people jump on camparisons....he's not projecting him to be like Lamar Odom, he is just saying that that is the closest player that his style of play/game compares to. Nobody said he's a Lamar Odom level player. Sure, his handle doesn't compare. But who would you compare him to then? Do you know who Delvon Roe is? Think of Roe at Michigan State, only not as physical or strong. He doesn't shoot it well and his handle is decent--not great. Misses a lot of close shots (Roe mastered that at Michigan State) and didn't have post game despite not having a face up jumper. This is also what I was referring to about Odom stuff: The 6-10 Williams has visited Georgetown, Missouri and Tennessee — which features former Southwind star Jarnell Stokes — and heads to Michigan State Friday. “Johnathan is about 6-10, 215 pounds,” Edwards said. “He’s a multi-dimensional player, a skilled player. He plays the one, two, three and four. “He reminds you of a young Lamar Odom.” It remains unclear when Williams will choose a school. “This determines my future, so it’s a hard decision,” Williams III told the Commercial Appeal. “I’m just gonna keep praying about it. It’s no telling when God will answer, but I know for sure he will. It might be November or it might be late spring. We’ll just see.” Unless he grew over Summer (possible)-he's closer to 6'7 then 6'10 or they use same people that measured Othella Harrington. He can't play the 1, 2 or 3--he doesn't shoot it well enough or handle it well enough (Odom btw did in HS) and he's a skinny/short PF who needs to work on jumper and post game. Now those comments need to be taken with a grain of salt because that was quoted in an Adam Zagoria update--and that guy is about as sketchy as it gets but if said--that's inaccurate and even moreso if you are talking about a "young Lamar Odom" who was arguably the #1 prospect in country.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 28, 2012 14:25:06 GMT -5
If Williams is 6'10, Iverson is 6'3.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 28, 2012 14:44:48 GMT -5
On the positive side, the scouts are not drawing any comparisons to Sam Jefferson.
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Post by idhoya on Sept 28, 2012 14:55:56 GMT -5
as long as he's not Sam or Grady Mateen we're good. Is 6'8, 215 pretty accurate? It's usually somewhere in the middle.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 28, 2012 15:05:25 GMT -5
as long as he's not Sam or Grady Mateen we're good. Is 6'8, 215 pretty accurate? It's usually somewhere in the middle. I'd buy that.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Sept 28, 2012 16:29:02 GMT -5
I think our squad could be lethal next year. If only Otto would stay one more year.
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 28, 2012 17:31:12 GMT -5
It blows my mind when people jump on camparisons....he's not projecting him to be like Lamar Odom, he is just saying that that is the closest player that his style of play/game compares to. Nobody said he's a Lamar Odom level player. Sure, his handle doesn't compare. But who would you compare him to then? Do you know who Delvon Roe is? Think of Roe at Michigan State, only not as physical or strong. He doesn't shoot it well and his handle is decent--not great. Misses a lot of close shots (Roe mastered that at Michigan State) and didn't have post game despite not having a face up jumper. This is also what I was referring to about Odom stuff: The 6-10 Williams has visited Georgetown, Missouri and Tennessee — which features former Southwind star Jarnell Stokes — and heads to Michigan State Friday. “Johnathan is about 6-10, 215 pounds,” Edwards said. “He’s a multi-dimensional player, a skilled player. He plays the one, two, three and four. “He reminds you of a young Lamar Odom.” It remains unclear when Williams will choose a school. “This determines my future, so it’s a hard decision,” Williams III told the Commercial Appeal. “I’m just gonna keep praying about it. It’s no telling when God will answer, but I know for sure he will. It might be November or it might be late spring. We’ll just see.” Unless he grew over Summer (possible)-he's closer to 6'7 then 6'10 or they use same people that measured Othella Harrington. He can't play the 1, 2 or 3--he doesn't shoot it well enough or handle it well enough (Odom btw did in HS) and he's a skinny/short PF who needs to work on jumper and post game. Now those comments need to be taken with a grain of salt because that was quoted in an Adam Zagoria update--and that guy is about as sketchy as it gets but if said--that's inaccurate and even moreso if you are talking about a "young Lamar Odom" who was arguably the #1 prospect in country. RDF, your opinion is one of the few that I take seriously about the skill level of a recruit. If you are telling me that his skill level is the same as Roe then I don't get the fuss. If your analysis is dead-on then we already have a Roe type recruit in Bolden. Maybe I don't know how good he was pre injury but after the injury he wasn't a factor at all on the offensive end. Block shots and rebounds. I saw his HS game on ESPN and he seemed like the typical Izzo player. More gritty than talented. If that is all JW3 is then put me in the group that wants Brandon Austin..............
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2012 18:53:45 GMT -5
Zeke, can only go by what I saw at EYBL and the people I spoke with are credible and to a man complimented the character/type of kid that Williams is, but also thought he was being a bit overhyped compared to what he actually does on court.
Actually he reminds me of that Anthony Allen, Sam Jefferson crew--that cast of bigs that Hoyas had upfront--where they all were role players/glue guys and nobody was a star. That group was part of some great teams in '87 and '89, a good team in '90, and a mediocre team in '88. Just depends on what you get with him--but I didn't see star caliber player and certainly not a Lamar Odom--style about him. I walked away thinking best prospects on the Bluff City team in order were Jajuan Johnson, Keelon Lawson, Nick King, and then Williams.
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 29, 2012 14:16:34 GMT -5
Think he and Jabari Parker are at Mich. State this weekend. All of a sudden I am an Ohio St. fan today.
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Post by IDenj on Sept 30, 2012 10:39:30 GMT -5
There are more pressing needs on this squad going forward. If this is the player we are targeting then we are in trouble.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Sept 30, 2012 11:06:32 GMT -5
There are more pressing needs on this squad going forward. If this is the player we are targeting then we are in trouble. what do you think are more pressing needs?
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Post by IDenj on Sept 30, 2012 11:40:00 GMT -5
There are more pressing needs on this squad going forward. If this is the player we are targeting then we are in trouble. what do you think are more pressing needs? A big man who can control the paint/boards. A highly ranked pg that is skilled. More top 25 talent. Less under the radar types. And if the need is a 4 get one who is better than an 80th ranked player and who RDF says was at best the 4th best player on his team. I know rankings don't mean jack. I keep hearing this all the time. But that is what people tell themselves when they can't get top end talent.
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Post by jsk793 on Sept 30, 2012 11:49:36 GMT -5
Look, we aren't kentucky, we can't get every recruit we want. We aren't going to get top 25 talent every year. We would be lucky to get a top 25 talent once every three years. Highly ranked pg's don't want to come here because they don't want to be limited in the princeton offense. Big Men aren't easy to get either, even with our history of getting them into the league. We might have a chance at kennedy meeks, but I wouldn't count on it. JWIII is a very skilled player who would have an immediate impact on this team. I agree we could use a pg and a big man, but the reality is that is easier said than done. The last highly ranked PG we got was markel, and he wasn't even in the top 50. If we want to get higher level recruits, we need to update the facilities (everyone knows that), and we need to have more success. Bottom line is JT3 knows what he is doing. You cant expect him to get every high level recruit he recruits. You just have to take what is there
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 30, 2012 11:51:28 GMT -5
I respect RDF but he's not the only person in the world who scouts high school players. Williams is a consensus top 50 guy. What are you complaining about? You want to recruit a dominant back to the basket big guy? Great. There's like 3 of those per year in the high school ranks and we are a finalist for one of them.
Greg Whittington and Otto Porter were both under the radar. Just recruit good players!
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Post by IDenj on Sept 30, 2012 12:00:59 GMT -5
Porter was a top 30 recruit who chose not to play AAU ball. Whitt was under the radar nationally, but a known product locally.
Look you get a SF commit in Domingo. Then you take a SF commit in Cameron. Now you are lined up to get an undersized PF? All in the same class?
Something seems broken over the last few years. I see the staff trying to fix it. But passing on our needs for a player who most definitely is a luxury doesn't make sense.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Sept 30, 2012 12:03:17 GMT -5
what do you think are more pressing needs? A big man who can control the paint/boards. A highly ranked pg that is skilled. More top 25 talent. Less under the radar types. And if the need is a 4 get one who is better than an 80th ranked player and who RDF says was at best the 4th best player on his team. I know rankings don't mean jack. I keep hearing this all the time. But that is what people tell themselves when they can't get top end talent. Word, cool wish list. While you're busy trying to find a top center and pg to have on the team every year, I'll rock with the stable of great wings we have and the top flight skilled PGs that come in every couple of years. Oh yeah and I forgot about our ability to develop bigs, I'll rock with those guys too. Because every year we seem to have a big that steps up. Go find another team to root for if you want consistent top 25 players on the roster. In case you haven't noticed, our under the radar guys have proven to be top 25 talents pretty consistently enough for success (Green, Hibbert, Porter, Whittington) and that not all top 25 ranked players work out immediately (Macklin, Henry to an extent since he wasn't top 25). Since when is JW3 the 80th ranked player in his class? According to ESPN he is the 35th best player in his class, and according to Rivals he is the 47th. So specifically, who do you think deserves our recruiting energy more than JW3 right now? Bigs that can control the paint in 2013: BJ Anya is not coming to GU, Kennedy Meeks may not be able to control the paint and he will only come to GU if Roy Williams doesn't want him. 7'5" N'Diaye? were on him. Top flight PGs? We've missed out on all the good ones. Markel still has two whole year left, and even if we only land one for the year after he leaves we still have DSR to help integrate a frosh PG. Roddy Peters is being recruited hard, what more could you want? Bottom line, JW3 is a pretty solid player and I don't think we are some kind of recruiting powerhouse that has the luxury of turning down his services. He has a high IQ, is a high character guy, and he possesses good tools. All of your needs just sound impatient. We're not UNC, we're not UK, we're not just going to have a stable of top players to reload every year. Every couple of years is more than enough. Your post comes off as impatient and greedy.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Sept 30, 2012 12:05:13 GMT -5
Porter was a top 30 recruit who chose not to play AAU ball. You cannot seriously be trying to argue the fact that Otto wasn't an under the radar recruit??? sounds like some serious trolling to me.
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