nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 17, 2012 12:21:45 GMT -5
I think the hope is less that Henry is going to turn into Dwight Howard with a physically dominating low post game and more that he can guard NBA centers, or at least some of them. With his height and length, it's a reasonable thought. He weighs 250 now and he has the frame to carry some more muscle, IMO. On offense, he's better suited to the high post.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 17, 2012 13:20:14 GMT -5
The NBA really doesn't care all that much about how he played within JTIII's system with the exception of his passing ability. They know he's fairly comfortable on the perimeter with the ball in his hands, and he can take a 17 footer and make it, although not consistently. The Lakers have Troy Murphy on their roster as a 4/5 and he's 6'11, 245. Pau Gasol plays the 4 when Bynum is in the game and he's 7'0, 250. Before that, Odom was at the 4 and he's 6'10, 230. I'm not comparing Hank to them in anything other than size. His size doesn't make him automatically anything in the NBA. Henry does nothing remotely similar on the basketball court to what Troy Murphy and Lamar Odom do. Bad comparisons based on their individual strengths/weaknesses. Somebody in this thread compared Sims to Kevin Durant, which is another horrendous comparison - if anybody thinks Sims has a chance of guarding Kevin Durant, then we're obviously watching a different sport. Sims has the size of an NBA center. Look at his measurables compared to others at the Portsmouth camp and compared to other recent centers drafted into the NBA. Sims can defensively put a body on other NBA 5s and that makes him attractive as a second round pick. He does not possess one skill set offensively that would make him comparable to NBA 4s and defensively he has no chance whatsoever of guarding NBA 4s. If Henry is drafted (and I think he will be), it will be as a 5. This whole argument is kind of interesting because I think it's related to bad advice Henry got somewhere along the line. Not sure if it was while he was recruited or during his first three years at Georgetown, but it's pretty clear that he thought he could be a Jeff Green-like 4. While Henry's an excellent passer, his size, athleticism and the rest of his skill set are not those of an NBA 4. What Henry needs to do is embrace who he is, which is a good passing 5 man with NBA size.
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 17, 2012 13:44:15 GMT -5
The NBA really doesn't care all that much about how he played within JTIII's system with the exception of his passing ability. They know he's fairly comfortable on the perimeter with the ball in his hands, and he can take a 17 footer and make it, although not consistently. The Lakers have Troy Murphy on their roster as a 4/5 and he's 6'11, 245. Pau Gasol plays the 4 when Bynum is in the game and he's 7'0, 250. Before that, Odom was at the 4 and he's 6'10, 230. I'm not comparing Hank to them in anything other than size. His size doesn't make him automatically anything in the NBA. Henry does nothing remotely similar on the basketball court to what Troy Murphy and Lamar Odom do. Bad comparisons based on their individual strengths/weaknesses. Somebody in this thread compared Sims to Kevin Durant, which is another horrendous comparison - if anybody thinks Sims has a chance of guarding Kevin Durant, then we're obviously watching a different sport. Sims has the size of an NBA center. Look at his measurables compared to others at the Portsmouth camp and compared to other recent centers drafted into the NBA. Sims can defensively put a body on other NBA 5s and that makes him attractive as a second round pick. He does not possess one skill set offensively that would make him comparable to NBA 4s and defensively he has no chance whatsoever of guarding NBA 4s. If Henry is drafted (and I think he will be), it will be as a 5. This whole argument is kind of interesting because I think it's related to bad advice Henry got somewhere along the line. Not sure if it was while he was recruited or during his first three years at Georgetown, but it's pretty clear that he thought he could be a Jeff Green-like 4. While Henry's an excellent passer, his size, athleticism and the rest of his skill set are not those of an NBA 4. What Henry needs to do is embrace who he is, which is a good passing 5 man with NBA size. I swear you guys just don't read sometimes. I did not compare skill set, strengths, weaknesses, nothing, all I compared was size. All I said was that Troy Murphy, Pau Gasol, and Lamar Odom are all Henry's size or bigger and all play the 4. To say that because Henry is 6'11, 250, he HAS to be a 5, is short sighted. If a GM drafts Henry to play the 4 or looks at Henry as a 4 who are you or anyone else to say anything about it. By all accounts Jeff Green isn't really a true 4 in the NBA, he's a tweener. If anything, Henry is going to have to expand his game in the NBA in order to stick around, why can't he do it as a stretch 4 and model his game after the European post players. I'm not saying Henry is for sure an NBA 4, just that the idea isn't as preposterous as some of you posters would like others to believe.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Apr 17, 2012 13:48:46 GMT -5
I think the point mfk is making, which is a sound point, is that at 6'10" the guy could play the 2,3,4 or 5. KD at the same HEIGHT plays the 2 and 3. There are other 3's the same height. There are centers and PFs Henry's height. of course Henry wont be a 2 or 3, but he could slide in either the 4 or 5 and backup a starter. All he needs to do is be able to spell a starter FOR NOW, until he develops his skillset to meet the rigors/style of the NBA and can maybe be a starter down the line, or maybe he will always be a guy off the bench, in the rotation or not. Point is, he is very well positioned to get an NBA paycheck come October.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 17, 2012 14:46:48 GMT -5
I can't believe someone would compare Sims to Troy Murphy, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom or Kevin Durant. Jeez.
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Post by NTAMM on Apr 17, 2012 15:12:37 GMT -5
In the NBA, Henry Sims will play both the 4 and the 5. The style and quality of NBA power forward plays varies from team to team, as does the style and quality of centers. Presently, Sims does not possess the skillset of a LaMarcus Aldridge or a Chris Bosh or the superior athleticism of a Josh Smith. However, his size and skillset match up well with power forwards who are effort players like Anderson Varejao or skilled, but underachievers like Hakim Warrick, and Jared Jeffries.
Given the dearth of quality centers in the NBA, Sims will likely also see time at center. These are some of the players who have started at center in the NBA in the 2011-2012 season: Elton Brand and Tristan Thompson -- both undersized -- and Drew Gooden, Jason Smith, and Byron Mullens. Skillset wise, Sims compares favorably with many of the centers presently in the NBA. If there is significant difference between Sims and some those playing center listed above, it is his physical immaturity. But, that is something that will be addressed as he grows older and participates in NBA workout regimens.
When Sims enters the NBA it will most likely as a backup, playing mostly with the team's second unit, against the opposing team's second unit. How Sims plays and where he plays the 4 or 5 will depend on the team's offensive and defensive systems, the coaching style, the players around him, and match ups against opposing teams. At least initially, Sims will be evaluated on how well he plays on the second unit and his overall contribution rather than how well he matches up with superstar power forwards and superstar centers.
Sims play in GU's offense and defensive sets prepared him to play power forward or center -- depending on the match ups. Sims' play this past season had little to do with him playing center. The prior season, he played both power forward and center. However, he largely struggled at both positions. His improvement came largely from much better preparation and an attitude change and the resulting confidence. Interestingly, one of the reports from the PIT stated that Sims was going after rebounds that he was not inclined to go after while playing at GU. Sounds like Sims realizes than an NBA career is in sights and recognizes what he needs to do to make the jump to the NBA.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 17, 2012 17:47:23 GMT -5
In the NBA, Henry Sims will play both the 4 and the 5. The style and quality of NBA power forward plays varies from team to team, as does the style and quality of centers. Presently, Sims does not possess the skillset of a LaMarcus Aldridge or a Chris Bosh or the superior athleticism of a Josh Smith. However, his size and skillset match up well with power forwards who are effort players like Anderson Varejao or skilled, but underachievers like Hakim Warrick, and Jared Jeffries. Given the dearth of quality centers in the NBA, Sims will likely also see time at center. These are some of the players who have started at center in the NBA in the 2011-2012 season: Elton Brand and Tristan Thompson -- both undersized -- and Drew Gooden, Jason Smith, and Byron Mullens. Skillset wise, Sims compares favorably with many of the centers presently in the NBA. If there is significant difference between Sims and some those playing center listed above, it is his physical immaturity. But, that is something that will be addressed as he grows older and participates in NBA workout regimens. When Sims enters the NBA it will most likely as a backup, playing mostly with the team's second unit, against the opposing team's second unit. How Sims plays and where he plays the 4 or 5 will depend on the team's offensive and defensive systems, the coaching style, the players around him, and match ups against opposing teams. At least initially, Sims will be evaluated on how well he plays on the second unit and his overall contribution rather than how well he matches up with superstar power forwards and superstar centers. Sims play in GU's offense and defensive sets prepared him to play power forward or center -- depending on the match ups. Sims' play this past season had little to do with him playing center. The prior season, he played both power forward and center. However, he largely struggled at both positions. His improvement came largely from much better preparation and an attitude change and the resulting confidence. Interestingly, one of the reports from the PIT stated that Sims was going after rebounds that he was not inclined to go after while playing at GU. Sounds like Sims realizes than an NBA career is in sights and recognizes what he needs to do to make the jump to the NBA. Well said. Then again, the key to a lot of prospects is being drafted to a franchise that can maximize their potential. And a cookie to KC for that last comment
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Post by jgalt on Apr 17, 2012 18:05:40 GMT -5
Henry hasnt made the NBA yet, so what he WILL do is irrelevant. A player like him (NBA body, borderline talent) will have to play what ever position his team NEEDS if he wants to make a roster. If the team needs a 4 he'll have to learn to be a 4, if they need a 5 he will need to learn how to do it.
Few players get to determine how their team will use them. Borderline guys are a dime a dozen, its the ones that work hard and know how to fill a need that get on rosters and get contracts.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 17, 2012 20:54:35 GMT -5
In the NBA, Henry Sims will play both the 4 and the 5. The style and quality of NBA power forward plays varies from team to team, as does the style and quality of centers. Presently, Sims does not possess the skillset of a LaMarcus Aldridge or a Chris Bosh or the superior athleticism of a Josh Smith. However, his size and skillset match up well with power forwards who are effort players like Anderson Varejao or skilled, but underachievers like Hakim Warrick, and Jared Jeffries. Given the dearth of quality centers in the NBA, Sims will likely also see time at center. These are some of the players who have started at center in the NBA in the 2011-2012 season: Elton Brand and Tristan Thompson -- both undersized -- and Drew Gooden, Jason Smith, and Byron Mullens. Skillset wise, Sims compares favorably with many of the centers presently in the NBA. If there is significant difference between Sims and some those playing center listed above, it is his physical immaturity. But, that is something that will be addressed as he grows older and participates in NBA workout regimens. When Sims enters the NBA it will most likely as a backup, playing mostly with the team's second unit, against the opposing team's second unit. How Sims plays and where he plays the 4 or 5 will depend on the team's offensive and defensive systems, the coaching style, the players around him, and match ups against opposing teams. At least initially, Sims will be evaluated on how well he plays on the second unit and his overall contribution rather than how well he matches up with superstar power forwards and superstar centers. Sims play in GU's offense and defensive sets prepared him to play power forward or center -- depending on the match ups. Sims' play this past season had little to do with him playing center. The prior season, he played both power forward and center. However, he largely struggled at both positions. His improvement came largely from much better preparation and an attitude change and the resulting confidence. Interestingly, one of the reports from the PIT stated that Sims was going after rebounds that he was not inclined to go after while playing at GU. Sounds like Sims realizes than an NBA career is in sights and recognizes what he needs to do to make the jump to the NBA. Finally. Someone who appears to actually know about the NBA. Great post.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 17, 2012 23:09:06 GMT -5
In the NBA, Henry Sims will play both the 4 and the 5. The style and quality of NBA power forward plays varies from team to team, as does the style and quality of centers. Presently, Sims does not possess the skillset of a LaMarcus Aldridge or a Chris Bosh or the superior athleticism of a Josh Smith. However, his size and skillset match up well with power forwards who are effort players like Anderson Varejao or skilled, but underachievers like Hakim Warrick, and Jared Jeffries. Given the dearth of quality centers in the NBA, Sims will likely also see time at center. These are some of the players who have started at center in the NBA in the 2011-2012 season: Elton Brand and Tristan Thompson -- both undersized -- and Drew Gooden, Jason Smith, and Byron Mullens. Skillset wise, Sims compares favorably with many of the centers presently in the NBA. If there is significant difference between Sims and some those playing center listed above, it is his physical immaturity. But, that is something that will be addressed as he grows older and participates in NBA workout regimens. When Sims enters the NBA it will most likely as a backup, playing mostly with the team's second unit, against the opposing team's second unit. How Sims plays and where he plays the 4 or 5 will depend on the team's offensive and defensive systems, the coaching style, the players around him, and match ups against opposing teams. At least initially, Sims will be evaluated on how well he plays on the second unit and his overall contribution rather than how well he matches up with superstar power forwards and superstar centers. Sims play in GU's offense and defensive sets prepared him to play power forward or center -- depending on the match ups. Sims' play this past season had little to do with him playing center. The prior season, he played both power forward and center. However, he largely struggled at both positions. His improvement came largely from much better preparation and an attitude change and the resulting confidence. Interestingly, one of the reports from the PIT stated that Sims was going after rebounds that he was not inclined to go after while playing at GU. Sounds like Sims realizes than an NBA career is in sights and recognizes what he needs to do to make the jump to the NBA. Finally. Someone who appears to actually know about the NBA. Great post. This guy sounds like a GM to me..... hmmm
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