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Post by bigelephant on Apr 25, 2012 9:55:35 GMT -5
It is just ridiculous what they make GU go thru to get approval of anything. Yes, some control is OK, I guess, but this has ended up to be strictly harressment,
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Post by 1227 on Apr 25, 2012 9:56:59 GMT -5
I was frustrated just reading that article and I have nothing to do with this process. The esteemed panel members provided some great insight, such as noting that the design was "weird."
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 25, 2012 10:02:01 GMT -5
Regulation run amuck.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 25, 2012 10:37:47 GMT -5
"Great big gym" is courtesy of Edwin Schlossberg, aka Mr. Caroline Kennedy, who apparently has a PhD in architecture/design from Columbia. Has anyone at these meetings bothered to try scrounging a couple million off of him?
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Post by PhillyHoya on Apr 25, 2012 10:59:39 GMT -5
So someone who primarily lives in NYC has bearing on a gym in DC that he will never even gaze upon.
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Post by McBricks on Apr 25, 2012 11:19:07 GMT -5
Jeff Green is now scheduled for the event Friday. They are certainly trying to make this event a big deal. Why not use this forum to make a big announcement? Seems like the perfect place to ask people to open their checkbooks no? As a marketer, I don't "get" GU not using this event for all it could be worth.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 25, 2012 16:47:36 GMT -5
Jeff Green is now scheduled for the event Friday. They are certainly trying to make this event a big deal. Why not use this forum to make a big announcement? Seems like the perfect place to ask people to open their checkbooks no? As a marketer, I don't "get" GU not using this event for all it could be worth. Well, it hasn't happened yet so why not wait until they blow it before complaining.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 25, 2012 22:14:09 GMT -5
Tangentially - threads like this, where we're all clearly grasping for information, is why I've long believed that the University needs to greatly step up its public communications effort with regard to these sorts of projects. I posted a proposal along these lines on the new roundtables.georgetown.edu "Hoya Roundtables" suggestion site: There are many construction projects going on around campus at any one time, but very little publicly available information about any of them. It would be useful for members of the campus community, University stakeholders like alumni, and other interested parties to have a way of accessing information about projects and their purpose, design, permitting, cost, progress, impacts, estimated time to completion, etc.
The District Department of Transportation (DDOT) has set up something along those lines with their Dashboard ( dashboard.ddot.dc.gov/ddotdashboard ), although it is clunky and uses Microsoft Silverlight for some reason. Examples of such portals at other universities, some good and some bad, include Columbia ( facilities.columbia.edu/current-construction-projects ), UPenn ( www.facilities.upenn.edu/news_construction.php ), UChicago - very good one! ( facilities.uchicago.edu/construction ), and Emory ( construction.emory.edu ).
For the bigger and more prominent projects that draw a great deal of interest, like Regents Hall or the Intercollegiate Athletic Center, a standalone webpage with regular updates would be a valuable communication tool. The University tried something like this in the past with buildtheboathouse.org but that one hasn't been updated in ages. Examples can be found at Johns Hopkins Med ( www.hopkinsmedicine.org/directions/construction.html ) and Duke Med ( construction.dukemedicine.org ), as well as DDOT project pages like the one for O & P Street construction near campus ( fixingoandpstreets.com ) or the renovation of some of the bridges over the C&O Canal ( www.3bridges.info ).Incomprehensibly (to me, anyway), this proposal actually got more negative votes from the students who participate on that site than positive ones. No clue why. I'd have thought that everyone would appreciate more information.
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 25, 2012 22:15:06 GMT -5
might be waiting perhaps for the approval after thurs meeting to start soliciting funds just a thought go hoyas 1951 lets get it DONE.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 26, 2012 9:26:02 GMT -5
How much of a delay does the Fine Arts Commission decision mean? None. CFA gave us exactly what we wanted. All of their comments were somewhat premature but also a good a heads up for what we need to do for the next go round. Out of curiosity, what was the nature of complaints about the project's massing? Do they want a different height-to-area ratio or do they feel 125,000 sqf is too much or what?
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Post by hoyatables on Apr 26, 2012 11:13:03 GMT -5
None. CFA gave us exactly what we wanted. All of their comments were somewhat premature but also a good a heads up for what we need to do for the next go round. Out of curiosity, what was the nature of complaints about the project's massing? Do they want a different height-to-area ratio or do they feel 125,000 sqf is too much or what? They didn't really object to the massing. One of the members was prickly and insisted that CFA couldn't approve the "massing" without approving the facade design. Realistically, however, they were fine with the location, mix of uses, size, and orientation of the building (as Tom Luebke told the HOYA last week) and that's all we were there for.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 26, 2012 11:30:44 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what was the nature of complaints about the project's massing? Do they want a different height-to-area ratio or do they feel 125,000 sqf is too much or what? They didn't really object to the massing. One of the members was prickly and insisted that CFA couldn't approve the "massing" without approving the facade design. Realistically, however, they were fine with the location, mix of uses, size, and orientation of the building (as Tom Luebke told the HOYA last week) and that's all we were there for. Alrighty. I was just going off of the quote in the Dish article: "I don’t like the massing,” said commission member Witold Rybczynski, a noted architect.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 26, 2012 11:38:51 GMT -5
They didn't really object to the massing. One of the members was prickly and insisted that CFA couldn't approve the "massing" without approving the facade design. Realistically, however, they were fine with the location, mix of uses, size, and orientation of the building (as Tom Luebke told the HOYA last week) and that's all we were there for. Alrighty. I was just going off of the quote in the Dish article: "I don’t like the massing,” said commission member Witold Rybczynski, a noted architect.Anyone else get the feeling that if Witold Rybczynski, noted architect, submitted a design to the commission, Witold Rybczynski, commission member, would criticize it?
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Post by jgalt on Apr 26, 2012 12:23:34 GMT -5
Alrighty. I was just going off of the quote in the Dish article: "I don’t like the massing,” said commission member Witold Rybczynski, a noted architect.Anyone else get the feeling that if Witold Rybczynski, noted architect, submitted a design to the commission, Witold Rybczynski, commission member, would criticize it? Well he just taught his last class at UPenn (he retired), so maybe he'll have more time to design one. Also, I cant seem to find one building he as actually designed (that has been built and then documented on the internet); he is an architectural critic first and foremost so pleasing him may not be possible.
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Post by hoyatables on Apr 26, 2012 13:25:29 GMT -5
They didn't really object to the massing. One of the members was prickly and insisted that CFA couldn't approve the "massing" without approving the facade design. Realistically, however, they were fine with the location, mix of uses, size, and orientation of the building (as Tom Luebke told the HOYA last week) and that's all we were there for. Alrighty. I was just going off of the quote in the Dish article: "I don’t like the massing,” said commission member Witold Rybczynski, a noted architect.Yeah. The quotes in that article were somewhat cherry-picked. Unsurprising.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 26, 2012 13:44:30 GMT -5
Yeah. The quotes in that article were somewhat cherry-picked. Unsurprising. I'm sure that's only true of this one particular article. For every other noteworthy occurrence the media have ever covered, i.e., those where you weren't a first-hand witness to the event, I'm sure the article was a perfectly fair representation of the facts as they actually happened.
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Post by hoyatables on Apr 26, 2012 14:25:03 GMT -5
Yeah. The quotes in that article were somewhat cherry-picked. Unsurprising. I'm sure that's only true of this one particular article. For every other noteworthy occurrence the media have ever covered, i.e., those where you weren't a first-hand witness to the event, I'm sure the article was a perfectly fair representation of the facts as they actually happened. I can't quite tell whether you're being belligerently sarcastic towards me or towards the media in general. Either way, wow.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 26, 2012 17:02:30 GMT -5
They didn't really object to the massing. One of the members was prickly and insisted that CFA couldn't approve the "massing" without approving the facade design. Realistically, however, they were fine with the location, mix of uses, size, and orientation of the building (as Tom Luebke told the HOYA last week) and that's all we were there for. Alrighty. I was just going off of the quote in the Dish article: "I don’t like the massing,” said commission member Witold Rybczynski, a noted architect.I believe he was misquoted. He actually said he doesn't care for Debra Messing.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 26, 2012 17:14:57 GMT -5
Alrighty. I was just going off of the quote in the Dish article: "I don’t like the massing,” said commission member Witold Rybczynski, a noted architect.I believe he was misquoted. He actually said he doesn't care for Debra Messing. I thought he was talking about the Senior Sports Communications Director.
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Post by hoyatables on Apr 26, 2012 19:16:14 GMT -5
Unanimous approval from the Zoning Commission. Bench decision.
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