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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 17, 2012 13:31:12 GMT -5
Gotcha! Ok I think everyone was under the impression that the massing and siting were not under contention merely aesthetic changes were being debated. Thanks for clearing that up. I fully realize the inability to start plans given this fact. Makes perfect sense this being the case.
Just glad progress is being made. THanks again for all the updates Tables
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Post by CaliHoya on Apr 17, 2012 13:57:44 GMT -5
I, for one, cannot WAIT for the main plans to be approved so I can donate and get all my friends too as well!
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Post by kchoya on Apr 17, 2012 14:49:30 GMT -5
How big are the exterior changes? If it's a matter of more glass here, less brick there, etc., I don't see why that changes the internal design in a material way. Are we adding/subtracting floors? Changing the footprint of the building? The entire footprint and massing changed from last fall to this spring. Its now a more compact footprint that is pulled up alongside McDonough, rather than the wider footprint that sat in front of McDonough in previous schemes. New mass is four stories tall at the rear, and two stories tall at the front, with a full floor below grade. As a result, the internal layout is completely different as well. Still has all of the features that were in the previous design, just rearranged. Gotcha. Every time the OGB is brought up, this is all I can think of: voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2009/02/apple_in_georgetown.html
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Post by kchoya on Apr 17, 2012 14:51:15 GMT -5
I don't know where the old thread on this is but the outline I heard was that we'd go before the Zoning commission on April 26th. That still seems to be holding true. That it could take 3 months until we heard the result from them So say beginning of August. From that date we had a year to break ground(so assuming our difficulty fund raising) we break ground Summer of 2013. Then a year year and a half later the building opens. It all depends on how quickly we raise the money, but the building should be done 2014 or 2015 at the latest. We go to the Zoning Commission on April 26th, 6:30 PM. Keep in mind that the plans that go to the Zoning Commission (and groups like OGB) are concept plans. And that we still have to return to OGB for concept approval of the building design (all that has been approved so far is siting and massing). It takes months to actually design the interior of the building once you have locked down the exterior, and then a few additional months to prepare plans for, file for, and secure a building permit. And mind you, you also need to raise millions of dollars to actually fund the building as well. All of this is to say that 2014 is optimistic. That said, the building does look fantastic. I'm going to see if I can get GU to post the plans online somewhere so everyone can take a gander. In terms of siting and massing, would you say the ATF is more like Troy Murphy or Kevin Durant? I'm curious how it projects out at the next level.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 17, 2012 16:28:14 GMT -5
In fairness to OGB (I can't believe I just typed that), they were pretty clear from the very beginning as to what they wanted from Apple: articulated windows. It's never been explained why Apple wasted their time with the intermediate designs.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 17, 2012 17:07:47 GMT -5
In terms of siting and massing, would you say the ATF is more like Troy Murphy or Kevin Durant? I'm curious how it projects out at the next level. Every time someone mentions "siting and massing" I wonder which DC City Council member expressed concern that constructing too many large buildings on the edges of Northwest would cause the District to tip over....
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Post by McBricks on Apr 18, 2012 15:11:44 GMT -5
Something has to be announced formal Friday at John Carroll Weekend right? jcw.georgetown.edu/2012/schedule.html1 – 3 p.m. | For Generations to Come: The Campaign for Georgetown Athletics Director of Athletics Lee Reed and Men's Basketball Coach John Thompson III will discuss the future of Georgetown Athletics and the university's ambitious campaign, For Generations to Come. Join us at the United Club at famous Wrigley Field to enjoy cocktails and hors d'oeuvres and learn about Georgetown's progress toward providing new infrastructure for Georgetown's 750 student-athletes and 29 Division I varsity athletic programs.*
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 18, 2012 15:45:12 GMT -5
Something has to be announced formal Friday at John Carroll Weekend right? Unlikely. Many in the John Carroll Weekend audience are local alumni or those who simply may not know much about the project (or even the need). This is an opportunity to talk about the project, and to reconnect with development contacts attending that weekend. I don't see it as an announcement event.
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Post by DoctorHoya on Apr 24, 2012 18:10:03 GMT -5
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 24, 2012 18:28:40 GMT -5
Something has to be announced formal Friday at John Carroll Weekend right? jcw.georgetown.edu/2012/schedule.html1 – 3 p.m. | For Generations to Come: The Campaign for Georgetown Athletics Director of Athletics Lee Reed and Men's Basketball Coach John Thompson III will discuss the future of Georgetown Athletics and the university's ambitious campaign, For Generations to Come. Join us at the United Club at famous Wrigley Field to enjoy cocktails and hors d'oeuvres and learn about Georgetown's progress toward providing new infrastructure for Georgetown's 750 student-athletes and 29 Division I varsity athletic programs.* I'll be at the event and I'll report on how it goes.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 24, 2012 21:22:18 GMT -5
Per The Hoya, initial approval was given by the CFA for some things, but more refined plans will still need to be submitted and approved again: Basic ATF Plans Approved by U.S. Commission of Fine Arts By Mariah Byrne Hoya Staff Writer Published: Friday, April 20, 2012 The U.S. Commission of Fine Arts approved preliminary plans for the university’s Athletic Training Facility during its monthly meeting Thursday. According to the commission’s secretary, Thomas Luebke, the board approved the building’s location, overall shape and intended use as well as its architectural relationship to surrounding buildings. The two-story, 125,000-square-foot building is slated to be built adjacent to McDonough Arena. Its ground floor will house practice space, office suites and locker rooms for the men’s and women’s basketball teams, while the lower level will provide a weight room, training room, equipment room, team meeting space and additional locker rooms for other student athletes. The commission also provided comments regarding further development of the design and discussed, but did not vote on, plans for the exterior of the facility. “What was not on the table today was an approval of the outside … architecture of the building,” Luebke said. The university must now incorporate the commission’s suggestions into current plans. Revisions must be submitted to the Old Georgetown Board, an advisory commission that reviews projects on behalf of the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts. Plans for the ATF were approved by the OGB when they were put before the board last week for the third time. Initial designs for the building were approved by the D.C. Zoning Commission during the 2000 Campus Plan process and by the OGB in 2006, but the project had to be resubmitted after being put on hiatus during the 2008 financial crisis.
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Post by deacon on Apr 25, 2012 0:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by bigelephant on Apr 25, 2012 4:15:00 GMT -5
How much of a delay does the Fine Arts Commission decision mean?
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Post by hoyatables on Apr 25, 2012 6:50:46 GMT -5
How much of a delay does the Fine Arts Commission decision mean? None. CFA gave us exactly what we wanted. All of their comments were somewhat premature but also a good a heads up for what we need to do for the next go round.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 25, 2012 7:01:13 GMT -5
In a rational world, the President of Georgetown or his designee would chair the "Old Georgetown Board" and determine what could and could not be built in the surrounding upstart neighborhoods so as not to further detract from the University's aesthetic appeal over the past three centuries.
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Post by nathanhm on Apr 25, 2012 7:03:37 GMT -5
Do we anticipate any issues from the Zoning Commission tomorrow? Is it a formality or could there be some major pushback on the changes?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 25, 2012 7:44:18 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 25, 2012 9:09:42 GMT -5
I FEEL ITS COMING i just sent in my small donation 1951 LETS GET IT DONE NOW.. GO HOYAS GO IAC
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Post by kchoya on Apr 25, 2012 9:12:22 GMT -5
As with everything else in this process (and the 10-year-plan process and the boathouse), Gerogetown is stuck dealing with morons. Um, maybe that's because it's not a a "great big gym" (is that an architectural term?). I'm sure if GU is forced to make more changes and go back before the CFA, a commission member will complain that it looks too much like a "great big gym."
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Post by PhillyHoya on Apr 25, 2012 9:24:29 GMT -5
My favorite part is how one design got criticized for "too much glass" after a previous one was criticized for "not enough windows".
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