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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 4, 2012 11:05:49 GMT -5
If anything ought to make you loathe government, it's this. Why shouldn't GU be able to build whatever it wants on its own campus as long as it doesn't have huge negative impacts on the community? And by "huge negative impacts" I don't mean someone doesn't like the brick-to-glass ratio or the school's choice of curtains. Or like the fact that they let Lau go up, and stay up, and wont let it come down.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 4, 2012 11:33:28 GMT -5
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Post by hoyatables on Apr 4, 2012 11:45:13 GMT -5
i think that there was some opposition as they oppose everything but this seems much more. science building VERY needed since 1962 and i a survey of local colleges jr colleges adn HIGH SCHOOLS science building and facilites lower htan most and even some high schools. so.. and as far as business school... i think less resistance. and it shows if YOU HAVE MONEY THINGS GET DONE QUICKLY and the business school got alot of money quickly.. so it is what it is MUST move move move and move on. There was no opposition to the ATF in 2007. Zero. Even CAG stayed silent on it.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 4, 2012 15:04:02 GMT -5
I will believe the facility will be built, when I can actually stand in it. Otherwise, I will still think that the athletic deprtment will have one star- BB and rest of department is rinky dink compared to anyone in the BE or A10 or Patriot league, No support from ther money alumns.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Apr 4, 2012 15:20:54 GMT -5
It wouldn't hurt if the Hoya Hoop Club tap in to the national Hoya fan base for the $100 donations. I have observed many side walk fans of UTenn and Alabame contribute $25-$100 annually to be associated with these programs..... I am proud to donate my HHC contribution and my grandson's Junior HHC contribution. Go Hoyas!!!
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 4, 2012 15:57:33 GMT -5
It wouldn't hurt if the Hoya Hoop Club tap in to the national Hoya fan base for the $100 donations. I have observed many side walk fans of UTenn and Alabame contribute $25-$100 annually to be associated with these programs..... I am proud to donate my HHC contribution and my grandson's Junior HHC contribution. Go Hoyas!!! The other problem is these are large state schools and if even only a THIRD of each class donate, it still would beat an entire Georgetown class. The size of Georgetown is one of the many reasons why people chose to go there (including me) so it isn't even fair to compare to larger schools. But in agreeing with your point, our facilities aren't even up to those of a Gonzaga.
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Post by FLHoya on Apr 4, 2012 16:58:56 GMT -5
It wouldn't hurt if the Hoya Hoop Club tap in to the national Hoya fan base for the $100 donations. I have observed many side walk fans of UTenn and Alabame contribute $25-$100 annually to be associated with these programs..... I am proud to donate my HHC contribution and my grandson's Junior HHC contribution. Go Hoyas!!! The Hoop Club thing is a broader issue, but of course it's desirable to reach out to your out-of-town fans. For ATF purposes, understand that the Athletic Department (I've heard Lee Reed say this multiple times) is absolutely interested in the $25-100 type donations for the ATF, and they'll go after those in due time, from as many people and places as they can get 'em. Just have to be patient--just because they aren't asking NOW or they'll eventually ask others FIRST doesn't mean they aren't interested. Keep in mind one other thing: Lee Reed also stressed to the Hoop Club late last year that we have to make sure everybody doesn't just move/designate their HHC donations over to the ATF. The basketball program still needs $$$ to run itself, after all. One of the reasons you don't hear much public asking right now, I suspect: they're working behind the scenes to manage certain bigger gifts and make sure the balance is right between ATF and MBB in the very near-term.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 4, 2012 17:29:03 GMT -5
If anything ought to make you loathe government, it's this. Why shouldn't GU be able to build whatever it wants on its own campus as long as it doesn't have huge negative impacts on the community? And by "huge negative impacts" I don't mean someone doesn't like the brick-to-glass ratio or the school's choice of curtains. Such are the wages of being located in a historic district. It would be much more palatable if their decisions made sense. Given where the ATF is to be located and what surrounds it (the facilities plant, McDonough, and the SQuad behemoth), critiques regarding massing (too tall/big??? It's right next to MKR!), windows (the plant has NONE!), and the like are ridiculous.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 4, 2012 18:43:25 GMT -5
If anything ought to make you loathe government, it's this. Why shouldn't GU be able to build whatever it wants on its own campus as long as it doesn't have huge negative impacts on the community? Ha! Pardon me but that sounds like right-wing/libertarian nonsense. Let me give you the more leftist response. Its not government pulling the strings. Its the neighborhood full of one-percenters who are getting in the way. If Georgetown was located in some rundown dump in S.E. DC and surrounded by a neighborhood of lower middle class and poor occupants, it would have gotten its way by now. But the folks that live in the homes of the Georgetown area are anywhere from very well off to stinking rich. And with that comes power to control governments, schools, citizens, legislation, etc. Gtown finally has to go after them and try to stake an alliance with the DC Government. Convince the government that the Georgetown neighborhood zealots are trying to stop progress and prevent the building of new infrastructure. Convince the government that by holding up the construction of new facilities, construction that will require labor, these neighborhood folks are getting in the way of the job creators. ;D
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 4, 2012 19:13:33 GMT -5
If anything ought to make you loathe government, it's this. Why shouldn't GU be able to build whatever it wants on its own campus as long as it doesn't have huge negative impacts on the community? Ha! Pardon me but that sounds like right-wing/libertarian nonsense. Let me give you the more leftist response. Its not government pulling the strings. Its the neighborhood full of one-percenters who are getting in the way. If Georgetown was located in some rundown dump in S.E. DC and surrounded by a neighborhood of lower middle class and poor occupants, it would have gotten its way by now. But the folks that live in the homes of the Georgetown area are anywhere from very well off to stinking rich. And with that comes power to control governments, schools, citizens, legislation, etc. Gtown finally has to go after them and try to stake an alliance with the DC Government. Convince the government that the Georgetown neighborhood zealots are trying to stop progress and prevent the building of new infrastructure. Convince the government that by holding up the construction of new facilities, construction that will require labor, these neighborhood folks are getting in the way of the job creators. ;D Not sure if you're joking, but that is exactly what georgetown has argued (well one of it's arguments). The problem is that the Georgetown residents are voters and donators while Georgetown and it's students pay less in taxes and don't donate to their campaigns so the elected officials all have backed the neighborhood.
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Post by JB5 on Apr 5, 2012 7:41:06 GMT -5
Can someone who is more current witht he situation on campus comment on the need/demand for more on-campus housing? It seems to me that this came up several years ago, and it was concluded that demand for undergrad housing was fully met with the construction of the SW quad. There are reasons that a percentage of students choose to live off campus, and those aren't likely to be affected by the construction of dorm rooms on top of a gym.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 5, 2012 7:53:42 GMT -5
THe community groups around GU desire a world where all students live on campus and never venture into or cause any noise in thier neighborhoods
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 5, 2012 8:09:14 GMT -5
Can someone who is more current witht he situation on campus comment on the need/demand for more on-campus housing? It seems to me that this came up several years ago, and it was concluded that demand for undergrad housing was fully met with the construction of the SW quad. There are reasons that a percentage of students choose to live off campus, and those aren't likely to be affected by the construction of dorm rooms on top of a gym. There is no need for student housing in the sense that there are people who want to live on campus who cannot because we do not have enough beds on campus. In fact every year there are empty beds. The Neighbors at a minimum want no one living in the neighborhood and for students to never leave the gates of campus. At worst they want the entire campus relocated to Virginia.
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Post by bigelephant on Apr 5, 2012 9:45:56 GMT -5
Which should have been done years ago - at least the athletic facilities - when land was cheap just across the river in Rosslyn or at least close in Arlington. Foresight is something Georgetown never had, doesn't have now and never will have (based on their track record).
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Post by rpn6 on Apr 5, 2012 9:58:50 GMT -5
Which should have been done years ago - at least the athletic facilities - when land was cheap just across the river in Rosslyn or at least close in Arlington. Foresight is something Georgetown never had, doesn't have now and never will have (based on their track record). Maybe so, but the lack of ability to reason is much much worse
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 5, 2012 10:06:33 GMT -5
Georgetown only recently as in the last 20-30 years has had any level of athletic program worthy of an investment in athletic facilities. It's main draw is as an Academic Institution located in the Nation's capital. Hence the fancy new business school building and the science building going up. As far as Georgetown is concerned competitive sports is a bonus.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 5, 2012 10:14:11 GMT -5
THe community groups around GU desire a world where all students live on campus and never venture into or cause any noise in thier neighborhoods It's even worse than that - one of the chiefs of the pitchfork brigade admitted that it doesn't even have anything to do with noise: The campus plan, which spells out the university's 10-year development and enrollment plans, has faced strong opposition from neighbors who say it doesn't address the existing problems stemming from students in the neighborhood. In an interview when the new programs were first announced last fall, Lenore Rubino of the Burleith Citizens Association called them a "Band-Aid fix."
"Even if they somehow managed to remove all noise and pick up every piece of trash, it doesn't change the fact that the neighborhood is turning into a student rental enclave and losing its character as a residential neighborhood," Rubino said at the time.( Source: "GU, neighbors seek delay to allow campus-plan talks," The Georgetown Current; April 4, 2012. The PDF of the issue is available at www.currentnewspapers.com/archiveweek.php?n=1&year=2012 ) It really is largely about visceral dislike of those who do not fit into their notion of what a 'proper resident' of a prestigious neighborhood like Georgetown or Burleith should look like. Of course, in Ms. Rubino's case, it's really largely about the fact that she and her employer (Washington Fine Properties) make a big chunk of their profit on buying and selling homes in these neighborhoods, which they can't do if they're being put on the rental market by landlords instead. This is why they pushed for a provision to prohibit the University from purchasing any property in 20007 - they don't want any units being removed from their potential portfolio.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 5, 2012 10:20:18 GMT -5
Which should have been done years ago - at least the athletic facilities - when land was cheap just across the river in Rosslyn or at least close in Arlington. Foresight is something Georgetown never had, doesn't have now and never will have (based on their track record). Or just up Foxhall...
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 5, 2012 10:26:16 GMT -5
Which should have been done years ago - at least the athletic facilities - when land was cheap just across the river in Rosslyn or at least close in Arlington. Foresight is something Georgetown never had, doesn't have now and never will have (based on their track record). Or just up Foxhall... Every time I drive by this, I get angry: www.gwsports.com/facilities/gewa-vernon-facility.html
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 5, 2012 10:31:40 GMT -5
FROM THE BEGINNING he got it wright just get rid of the students. yup all on campus. then rentals will go DOWN since alot of the community fighting this also rents at absorbedent rates to students. go hoyas 1951 LETS GET IT DONE..
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