tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 30, 2015 14:34:44 GMT -5
Jabril leaving absolutely no doubt as to why he'll be so missed. Well done, sir. Well done.
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Post by dense on Mar 30, 2015 23:45:20 GMT -5
I agree but to say only take 3s from the line is silly. A lot of our guys are comfortable shooting from far beyond that. I am not saying hey let's jack up a bunch of 25 footers but if their shot is in range take it. DSR hit a bunch of nba range 3s when the defense had their hands down often in critical stretches. The 3 versus Indiana in OT was one of them. "A lot of our guys"? Who? Other than DSR and Trawick, everyone was average or worse from 3. Trawick's range was precisely from the arc and no more (he missed the few shots he took from farther out). I bet that was a consequence of his hard work in practice and using the line as a visual help on his shot. Kudos to him for getting so much better! No one else was consistent from the 3-pt arc, nevermind from farther out. I don't know who is saying just shoot it from the line, but I'll say shoot the easier shot until the player becomes as good as DSR. The orginal poster did. "The easier shot" I'm saying shoot the good open shot. If it happen to be a 25fter so be it.... And no shooting has nothing to do with visualization from the line. It has to do with muscle memory of repeating a delivery and what you see whether it be from 15 feet or 30feet. Like I said I'm not advocating shooting 20 25footers a game. The orginal posters premise and explanation is absurd.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 31, 2015 3:39:44 GMT -5
I don't know what the original poster said; I responded to your post. The kind of shooter you're talking about is the elite shooter, not the current Hoyas. The elite shooters are good from 20, 22, 25 ft... We do not have elite shooters. Again, "a lot of our guys" are average to above average 3-point shooters. Only DSR has approached the elite level. Do you believe in range? If you don't have the 25 ft range and you happen to be open, it is always a bad shot if you take it. Our best 3-pt% shooter, Trawick, was the only one at 40%. For Jabril, it was all about having his feet set right at the arc (visualization of the shot he practiced). He rarely shot from farther back than that because he didn't have the good range. Like you say, it's about repetition and muscle memory, but also good practice, strength, etc... I'm guessing Jabril practiced from the same spot (mostly left of top of the key at the arc) or you would have seen him shoot it from farther back all the times he was open. Who was guarding Jabril at 25 ft? No one. That shot was always available. He understood his limitations and it worked out for him. Getting range has to do with becoming stronger physically, while not losing that accurate shooting form you had from closer to the basket, and accuracy comes from repetition and good practice. For Jabril, "the easier shot" -the 40% shot- was from right at the line.
What I'm saying is in an offense whose purpose is finding the best shot, an open 25 footer from average/above average shooters is not the best shot.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 31, 2015 7:34:21 GMT -5
Jabril leaving absolutely no doubt as to why he'll be so missed. Well done, sir. Well done. Awesome. I remember even before he started at GU, he was on social media trying to recruit other guys in his HS class to come to the Hilltop. Say what you will about his play on the court (and I think he was quite good, even if the stats aren't eye-popping), you can never for a second doubt that this young man was all-in from day 1.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 31, 2015 10:27:03 GMT -5
Can't wait to see those next chapters in Jabril's life. I know we will hear great things from him in whatever paths he takes.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 31, 2015 10:57:39 GMT -5
Can't wait to see those next chapters in Jabril's life. I know we will hear great things from him in whatever paths he takes. Obviously he will be assisting J.Wall's run to office then taking his turn next...Brill Clinton!!
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dense
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Post by dense on Mar 31, 2015 18:17:06 GMT -5
I don't know what the original poster said; I responded to your post. The kind of shooter you're talking about is the elite shooter, not the current Hoyas. The elite shooters are good from 20, 22, 25 ft... We do not have elite shooters. Again, "a lot of our guys" are average to above average 3-point shooters. Only DSR has approached the elite level. Do you believe in range? If you don't have the 25 ft range and you happen to be open, it is always a bad shot if you take it. Our best 3-pt% shooter, Trawick, was the only one at 40%. For Jabril, it was all about having his feet set right at the arc (visualization of the shot he practiced). He rarely shot from farther back than that because he didn't have the good range. Like you say, it's about repetition and muscle memory, but also good practice, strength, etc... I'm guessing Jabril practiced from the same spot (mostly left of top of the key at the arc) or you would have seen him shoot it from farther back all the times he was open. Who was guarding Jabril at 25 ft? No one. That shot was always available. He understood his limitations and it worked out for him. Getting range has to do with becoming stronger physically, while not losing that accurate shooting form you had from closer to the basket, and accuracy comes from repetition and good practice. For Jabril, "the easier shot" -the 40% shot- was from right at the line. What I'm saying is in an offense whose purpose is finding the best shot, an open 25 footer from average/above average shooters is not the best shot. My post was a response to the orginal poster. I believe in range but I am saying that the posters comment is absurd. I am not saying that yes we should be taking all long jumpers but take for instance the 3 that Tre hit against Marquette he wasn't right at the line. It was a good shot because of how the play developed. He isn't a great % shooter on the year but I can see that he is comfortable taking that shot from seeing him play for the past 3 years.
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Post by dense on Mar 31, 2015 18:30:55 GMT -5
Also I don't know if people really teach visualization from a certain spot if so no wonder why we can't improve. Shooting is muscle memory and repetition of form. Preparing to get into an athletic shooting stance before the ball even arrives. If you are just picking a spot and saying I'm going get good from this spot or this length only. That's a bad way to improve.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Apr 6, 2015 16:27:43 GMT -5
I think all of our players have great fundamentals. This is why achieve We are not an overly talented team. Our scheme and commitment to scheme is when we have success. When our players vere off and try to do more is where we have our issue. Is this a coaching problem or player problem, I say both. Henry 2 personal cam from him forcing and spinning on the offensive end. This is not his game and as a player he should know that. Should JTIII sit more players when they are out of control. I say yes. Should he be a little more forceful when players are not following the system I say Yes. But other than that JTII has put his team in a situation to win and be successful every year. We were not 9 deep this year. I say 7. Nate didn't progress like he needed to and Jabril and Hopkins had mental lapses thru out the game. The only fundamentals I think I don't see each player progressing over the years is the post and the mid range game. We don't take advantage of some mismatch like wee need to. We needed to post Austin and Hollis more over this year. As well as their mid range game has grown over the years. Hollis at 6-8 should kill at the 15-17 ft range. Austin when he was here too should have been a lot better player in that area. Greg and Hollis should Learn from Otto. That's why I was surprise and him looking to shoot more 3 pointers today. I think we have one of the better programs in the nation. I think JTIII grew this year in allowing the freshman to play more than he did in previous years and hopefully he will make tweaks in his coaching style to get keep Gtwon play at a high level Mike, what happened to your sunny nature? EtomicB, Why you do me like this :-) LOL. 5 early round losses bitters a brother.
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