the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 20, 2012 16:06:33 GMT -5
I think III is a great coach who needs help in the recruiting department and building a roster. I think hiring Kirby was an attempt to address this problem.
Really, we need to recruit better guards in the program, especially guards that are deft at ballhandling.
We needs some muscle inside too. III's teams aren't the most physcial, and when we play physical teams inside, we get exposed.
But I think theses areas are being and will be addressed in the coming years.
I think the future is bright.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Mar 20, 2012 16:25:22 GMT -5
I think III is a great coach who needs help in the recruiting department and building a roster. I think hiring Kirby was an attempt to address this problem. Really, we need to recruit better guards in the program, especially guards that are deft at ballhandling. We needs some muscle inside too. III's teams aren't the most physcial, and when we play physical teams inside, we get exposed. But I think theses areas are being and will be addressed in the coming years. I think the future is bright. I think the future could be bright too. But folks have been saying that for five years. Hell 15 years ago on this board people were saying the future looks bright. I want the present to be bright. Brighter. Brighterest.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 20, 2012 17:04:52 GMT -5
recruiting can be like shooting craps
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Mar 20, 2012 17:13:04 GMT -5
15 years ago was Victor Page and no one else. They were bright?
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Mar 20, 2012 17:18:58 GMT -5
Well I they couldn't have gotten any darker...
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 20, 2012 20:50:01 GMT -5
Look, we have 2 guys (Otto & Whitt) who any team in the country would love to have. We have a guard in Trawick who will be a force next year. If either of our bigs get healthy and/or we get a big recruit we'll be nationally ranked. And if Hollis returns or Lubick learns to shoot we'll be awesome. Seriously I am much more excited about us than I was last year at this time.
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Post by harlemhoya on Mar 20, 2012 21:59:14 GMT -5
I don't see Trawick becoming a force next year. He will be a nice 4 year rotation player. This is another kid with a suspect handle. We seem to have a lot of those lately.
This board loves him because he brings "toughness". I don't see it.
More post ups for Otto is all I want.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 21, 2012 8:51:55 GMT -5
Love all these fake coaches here they know who I'm talking about...The Hoyas OVERCHIEVED this season!!! Period!
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Post by drquigley on Mar 21, 2012 9:26:14 GMT -5
I disagree about Trawick but I think we'll find out pretty early next year if he's the real deal. JT3 won't start DSR so Jabril will be expected to step into the starting lineup from day one. If, when the season starts, he's not starting then it tells me JT3 has doubts about him too.
Regarding Henry. Look he improved tremendously but let's be honest. Every time he made a move to the hoop didn't you sorta hold your breath and cringe a little? I once saw a video of me dancing. Same look. It wasn't pretty to watch even though occasionally it worked. Yes Henry was a great passer but we need more out of guys who are 6'10".
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 21, 2012 9:28:57 GMT -5
Jabril is the real deal he can be himself now...he's a very smart player for those who do not know...we don't know who will start who but you can run DSR on the wing he's an attack guy big time...he and Bril are attackmen lol...
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 21, 2012 9:31:48 GMT -5
I think that's why a lot of people liked his "toughness". Really just another way of saying he really liked attacking the hoop and we liked watching him do it.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 21, 2012 9:59:00 GMT -5
I disagree about Trawick but I think we'll find out pretty early next year if he's the real deal. JT3 won't start DSR so Jabril will be expected to step into the starting lineup from day one. If, when the season starts, he's not starting then it tells me JT3 has doubts about him too. I would assume that the starting competitions for next year look like this: PG: Markel v. Trawick SG: Hollis (?) v. Trawick v. Whittington (Outside shot of Bowen or DSR starting)) SF: Hollis (?) v. Whittington v. Otto (Otto is starting, the only question is where) PF: Lubick v. Otto v. Hopkins C: Noel (Please!) v. Hopkins v. Adams v. Moses What's nice is that there are at least two people who could legitimately start at every position. Obviously, some starters are more likely than others, but if any one slacks off this off season, they aren't going to start next year. Edit: Hopkins at the 4? Why not.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 21, 2012 10:30:03 GMT -5
Can Hop play the 4?
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dense
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Post by dense on Mar 21, 2012 10:42:50 GMT -5
In my opinion, Hopkins should be the starter at the 4 next year. He can shoot a bit from the perimeter, and has a decent enough handle.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 21, 2012 10:50:54 GMT -5
Hopkins showed more and more as the season progressed. I would say that at this point he is leaps and bounds ahead of where Henry was at the same point in his career. Don't know if Hopkins can play the 4, but would clearly prefer him to assume that role over Otto. Otto needs to be given more latitude in the offense to develop his outside shot, while still being a contributor on the boards. I would prefer Otto at the 3 and Greg at the 2 for next year, with Jabril/Markel splitting time at pg and DSR contributing off the bench. Still hoping for a bigger contribution from Bowen, and looking forward to seeing what Moses and Tyler have to offer.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Mar 21, 2012 13:49:00 GMT -5
Love all these fake coaches here they know who I'm talking about...The Hoyas OVERCHIEVED this season!!! Period! They certainly had a better season than most thought they would have.
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Post by whipple on Mar 21, 2012 14:30:54 GMT -5
Traditional positions are done (no such thing as SFs or 2-guards) everyone has to handle the ball and everyone has to shoot.
One thing I think is for certain is that Otto needs to be the point-forward or quaterback (or whatever role Sims was on offense). Your best player needs to touch it every time in this georegtown offense.
As we saw towards the end of this season, the offense only ran smoothly with Sims initiating at the top of the key. Without him, we could always get some thee-pointers and deep 2s, but everything opened up more (i.e., back-cuts) when there was a legitimate threat to score as the point-forward. Similarly, Lubick could almost carry point-forward duties but was not a threat to create his own shot and he was left to only set picks and hand off. We cannot have a non-scorer/defensive player/garbageman take on this point forward role--he needs to score 15+.
Looking back, we saw Jeff, Roy, and Monroe take this position and do well with it. I think Jeff fit it best, but he did have Roy on the floor to draw some D too. Also, a touch at the top never hurt a delayed anyone's high or low post-ups.
We have also seen GU players who either (a) were not asked to take on this role or (b) refused. DaJuan was not this role--after Jeff and Roy left we still only saw him on the perimeter. Hollis was not this role--maybe too valuable on the perimeter. Otto is a different breed.
Otto needs this point-forward-type role. Most versatile player on the team, can shoot from anywhere on the court, handles fine, can find open players whether outside or dump down low. We saw it best against Syracuse's 2-3 zone in the dome. Not to mention this could free up the 5 for some dumps and o-rebs. I see triple-doubles for Otto: pts, rebs, assts.
Anyway, do not waste Otto as solely a perimeter player. Don't call him a PF either and have him just run baseline. Just give him the offense and it takes a lot of pressure off his teammates.
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Post by Eurostar on Mar 21, 2012 15:34:25 GMT -5
With our current roster and assuming Hollis is gone, I'd say Otto, Markel and Hopkins are the only guaranteed starters. I say Hopkins is guaranteed because no one else knows the system and has as much experience at the 5 as he does. The other two will be between Lubick, Whittington, Trawick and DSR.
But a lot can happen between now an then, particularly with Hollis and Nerlens. Could be looking at Markel, Whit, Otto, Hollis, Noel starting with Trawick, DSR, Lubick, Hopkins, Moses/Adams off the bench. That is a sick squad.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 21, 2012 16:16:42 GMT -5
I love Hopkins for next year. He really needs to work on his defensive rebounding -- he was atrocious and while part of it is his bulk, he really should be doing better. But his offensive rebounding was a real weapon for our offense, and given that the players we are losing are three of our four best offensive players (Otto is the only returning), having O rebounding being a big part of our offense is huge.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 21, 2012 16:35:33 GMT -5
Traditional positions are done (no such thing as SFs or 2-guards) everyone has to handle the ball and everyone has to shoot. One thing I think is for certain is that Otto needs to be the point-forward or quaterback (or whatever role Sims was on offense). Your best player needs to touch it every time in this georegtown offense. As we saw towards the end of this season, the offense only ran smoothly with Sims initiating at the top of the key. Without him, we could always get some thee-pointers and deep 2s, but everything opened up more (i.e., back-cuts) when there was a legitimate threat to score as the point-forward. Similarly, Lubick could almost carry point-forward duties but was not a threat to create his own shot and he was left to only set picks and hand off. We cannot have a non-scorer/defensive player/garbageman take on this point forward role--he needs to score 15+. Looking back, we saw Jeff, Roy, and Monroe take this position and do well with it. I think Jeff fit it best, but he did have Roy on the floor to draw some D too. Also, a touch at the top never hurt a delayed anyone's high or low post-ups. We have also seen GU players who either (a) were not asked to take on this role or (b) refused. DaJuan was not this role--after Jeff and Roy left we still only saw him on the perimeter. Hollis was not this role--maybe too valuable on the perimeter. Otto is a different breed. Otto needs this point-forward-type role. Most versatile player on the team, can shoot from anywhere on the court, handles fine, can find open players whether outside or dump down low. We saw it best against Syracuse's 2-3 zone in the dome. Not to mention this could free up the 5 for some dumps and o-rebs. I see triple-doubles for Otto: pts, rebs, assts. Anyway, do not waste Otto as solely a perimeter player. Don't call him a PF either and have him just run baseline. Just give him the offense and it takes a lot of pressure off his teammates. Great post, I agree entirely. Just wanted to add that both DaJuan and Hollis were both more pure scorers then the other guys you listed. While we did see Hollis move around in the offense to get the ball to score in different positions, we did not see him initiate offense that often.
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