NC State 66 - Georgetown 63 2012 NCAA 3rd Rd

[DanMcQ]

Mar 18, 2012 13:52:44 GMT -5 Big Dog said:

Geez the things people focus on around here are insane.

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[Big Dog]

So now based on a 2 second clip of a senior yelling with emotion upon fouling out to end his collegiate career, we're having an extended discussion about Henry's disappointing attitude? This is like a parody of a message board.

[SSHoya]

So Noel has trimmed his choice to two cheating programs and Georgetown? Seems like an easy decision to me. . .

[superan]

Mar 18, 2012 13:55:44 GMT -5 Big Dog said:

So now based on a 2 second clip of a senior yelling with emotion upon fouling out to end his collegiate career, we're having an extended discussion about Henry's disappointing attitude? This is like a parody of a message board.

I'm laughing right with you Big Dog.

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 18, 2012 13:52:59 GMT -5 RDF said:

Mar 18, 2012 13:46:44 GMT -5 mfk24 said:

Do you really think that was the play he drew up? I think Otto saw the big moment, passed up the 3, and instead of making the next pass decided to be the hero. Maybe next year he will be that guy but that was a boneheaded play if I've ever seen one.

How many times has Georgetown failed to get a good shot out of a timeout? For how many seasons? When the same result continues to happen in same scenario, while the rosters turnover, where does any confidence come from seeing Hoyas in that situation? Needed timeout more at that point--down 2, plenty of time if you miss to extend the game. These timeouts when you are on offense late in a game are odd. They are too valuable to give up.

Also-based on how today's game was going--how does Hollis Thompson not take that shot? You have to read the way game is being played in moment and live/die with what your best player does. If Hollis gets it--maybe they run 2 guys at him and someone slips to hoop for easy look? If they lay off him-he gets shot and I think everyone lives with result.

Just my two cents and I'm very proud of team this year overall.

RDF how do we know the play was not designed for Hollis? There were still 15 seconds left when Otto shot, plenty of time to get Hollis open. I don't expect Coach or any of the players to throw Otto under the bus, but I have a feeling he took it upon himself to take that shot.

[Dhall]

We were not a Sweet 16 quality team this year, so I'm ok with it, but we had this game for the taking. For everything he did after we were losing to keep it close, Hollis had a ton of mistakes that cost us early too. Feel bad for Henry - at least two of those calls we're bogus, including the last one where he was yelling at the call not Otto by the way.

[RDF]

Mar 18, 2012 13:49:50 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Mar 18, 2012 13:43:07 GMT -5 RDF said:

Good try by Jason at end--gave it a great look and did nice job.

That last play out of a timeout was disgusting. Unfortunately-it's common place, along with turnovers, giving up rebounds/putbacks off opponents missed FT's and the players have changed over years but problems remain same.

Thought III's comments coming out of Half were questionable as well. Did he watch same game? They team wasn't rushing shots--they were passing good looks up and when his team fell behind and had to play faster-they once again produced. Oh well--onto offseason and just have to hope that he somehow figures out that his team is best when they play more aggressive/with urgency.

I agree with JT3 on the rushed shots in the 1st half. Jason had a few and Jabril's 2nd 3 was a horrible shot.

Agree on Jabri's shot--that was forced, but who else forced a shot? They only attempted 20 in the damn half? That's awful. His teams play better when they are aggressive (for the 1 mil time, not saying run and gun--saying aggressive) and in all honesty--this team was better today with Markel Starks in the game--due to fact he pushed the ball into the frontcourt and got them into their offense while Clark walked it up. Feel badly for Jason that he struggled today--but proud of him for getting a great look at end to give Hoyas a chance--that's all we can ask for as fans in that scenario.

Sims yelling--he might have been upset that he took the foul since it was his 5th and wanted Otto to foul instead. Who knows-don't think it matters--heat of moment and just frustration.

[DFW HOYA]

I'm not going to call any shot as "the" decider. You can look back to being tied with 11 seconds in the first half, giving up a foul, free throw, a steal, and dunk at the buzzer for the Pack to go up three.

[SFOHoya]

Mar 18, 2012 13:47:56 GMT -5 aleutianhoya said:

It's not only counterproductive, but I think it's just objectively wrong. I don't really think Henry got screwed today. There was very well scouted defense stepping on his blind spin moves. I thought we got a number of officiating breaks actually.

We lost the game rebounding. Way too many second chance points for them and virtually none for us. That was really it.

Well put. The refs sucked both ways. They must've attempted 10+ more fgs than us most of those on orebounds.

[sleepy]

Mar 18, 2012 13:52:59 GMT -5 RDF said:

Mar 18, 2012 13:46:44 GMT -5 mfk24 said:

Do you really think that was the play he drew up? I think Otto saw the big moment, passed up the 3, and instead of making the next pass decided to be the hero. Maybe next year he will be that guy but that was a boneheaded play if I've ever seen one.

How many times has Georgetown failed to get a good shot out of a timeout? For how many seasons? When the same result continues to happen in same scenario, while the rosters turnover, where does any confidence come from seeing Hoyas in that situation? Needed timeout more at that point--down 2, plenty of time if you miss to extend the game. These timeouts when you are on offense late in a game are odd. They are too valuable to give up.

Also-based on how today's game was going--how does Hollis Thompson not take that shot? You have to read the way game is being played in moment and live/die with what your best player does. If Hollis gets it--maybe they run 2 guys at him and someone slips to hoop for easy look? If they lay off him-he gets shot and I think everyone lives with result.

Just my two cents and I'm very proud of team this year overall.

I can think of plenty of times Georgetown has gotten great shots out of timeouts as well as times we have gotten shots like that one. It's the same for every team in the country. Sometimes they get good shots out of timeouts, sometimes we are left with headscratchers. Sometimes I am sure its the coaches fault sometimes I am sure it's the players fault. I am almost a hundred percent certain that play was Otto's fault and definitely not how it was drawn up. But guess what? That's what happens when you are dealing with 18-22 year olds. Inconsistency and mistakes.


On another note, we never do too well in the NCAA tournament when Hollis Thompson plays well. Once he started making three's I knew it was over.

[drd13]

Mar 18, 2012 13:55:44 GMT -5 Big Dog said:

So now based on a 2 second clip of a senior yelling with emotion upon fouling out to end his collegiate career, we're having an extended discussion about Henry's disappointing attitude? This is like a parody of a message board.

Big Dog, with all due respect, I don't think you're in any place to judge how people are feeling. You spewed negativity every 2 seconds in the second half.

[jgalt]

Mar 18, 2012 13:55:44 GMT -5 Big Dog said:

So now based on a 2 second clip of a senior yelling with emotion upon fouling out to end his collegiate career, we're having an extended discussion about Henry's disappointing attitude? This is like a parody of a message board.

Exactly. If you look just at this and the last play you think Henry is a jerk and Otto makes terrible late game decisions. Those two things couldnt be further from the truth as we all know.

Coming into this season the team was expected to be borderline NCAA (thats not what the experts said, thats what this board said). Instead they spent almost the entire season in the top 15 and got a 3 seed in the tournament. Think of the big picture right now and save yourself some anxiety.

[Big Dog]

Mar 18, 2012 13:52:59 GMT -5 RDF said:

How many times has Georgetown failed to get a good shot out of a timeout? For how many seasons? When the same result continues to happen in same scenario, while the rosters turnover, where does any confidence come from seeing Hoyas in that situation? Needed timeout more at that point--down 2, plenty of time if you miss to extend the game. These timeouts when you are on offense late in a game are odd. They are too valuable to give up.

Also-based on how today's game was going--how does Hollis Thompson not take that shot? You have to read the way game is being played in moment and live/die with what your best player does. If Hollis gets it--maybe they run 2 guys at him and someone slips to hoop for easy look? If they lay off him-he gets shot and I think everyone lives with result.

I love you, RDF, but these timeouts/no timeouts who-got-the-shot how-good-was-the-look discussion are so silly, and are always motivated by the result. The defense gets to draw up a play too, and by the way they kept us from getting any easy shots the entire game. Hollis hit a difficult, contested 3 of a drawn-up play vs. Alabama--was JTIII brilliant that day? There's also the matter of execution. JTIII's gotta lose about 8-9 more of these in a row, including by allowing six guys on the other side and by failing to foul with 38 seconds left before we've got enough information to form a consensus on stuff like this. A good offensive player, Otto, had the ball within his scoring range. He hesitated with the 3, tried to take it closer, was well-guarded, then forced a tough shot that missed. Happens all the time.

[nodak89]

Had to duck out of the game to get through o'hare security. Couldn't risk the TSA strip search.

Caught the last 35 seconds. Dang. I'm gutted. Thought Otto was going take and make that three. Then felt sure Jason's was gonna fall.

Great job by Hollis nearly getting us there.

[MetsHatHoya]

Love JT3 regardless of the outcome the past several years. He brought this program back after the previous regime was doing their best to take us off the map. THe perception is back (especially after this season) that JT3 can produce top 20 teams year in/year out no matter who we lose or bring in.

Great job hoyas....work hard in the offseason! come back hungry

[GUJook97]

Otto's shot was really no biggie. I mean, Jason had just as a good a chance at the end there, and who is to say the same thing doesn't play out if we tie the game with 20 seconds anyway. I have no problem with Otto taking that. Henry was just upset because this was the end of his career and riightfully so.

[3xhoya]

This game came down to rebounding. We can harp all we want about the last TO, Otto's shot, foul trouble for Henry, however, it is all irrelevant. If we had cleaned up the glass on our defensive end we win this one fairly easily.

[Eurostar]

The play I was expecting involved posting Henry as option 1 with option 2 being Hollis coming off a screen or a stepback for 3. Instead they played inside out with Henry and Otto which is a fine second alternative.

The game wasnt won and lost on those last plays. It was lost on 4 points on putbacks from offensive rebounds off missed FTs, it was lost on 4 points off break aways from steals at the top of the key and it was lost while Henry Sims was on the bench for the majority of the game with foul trouble.

[DanMcQ]

As moderator: Keep your comments in line or we will delete the posts without warning.

As an alum and fan, I'm proud of the team for fighting back with great heart. NC State WON this game by taking the Hoyas out of their offense and by absolutely dominating the offensive glass. As much as I can't stand Ted Valentine, who cannot make a call unless he gets to windmill and never misses an opportunity to call a ridiculous technical, the Hoyas never were able to adapt to the way the game was called. This especially affected Henry Sims, who lost all his aggressiveness when it seemed any time he got near an opposing player the foul would be called on him.

Classy postgame comments by JTIII on CBS right now. All you JTIII haters can take it elsewhere.

If anyone had said preseason that this team would end the year 24-9, ranked 15 in both polls, tied for 4th in the Big East, and a last second shot away from overtime in the 3rd round of the NCAA tournament they would have been laughed right out of here. Bravo to the coaching staff and players.

[Big Dog]

Mar 18, 2012 13:58:22 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

I'm not going to call any shot as "the" decider. You can look back to being tied with 11 seconds in the first half, giving up a foul, free throw, a steal, and dunk at the buzzer for the Pack to go up three.

Don't forget the half-dozen-plus offensive possessions in the final 8 minutes when any bucket would have been huge and we came up empty. Or any NC State second-chance bucket. The list goes on and on.