TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 17, 2012 8:15:10 GMT -5
Efficiency-wise, NC State basically has our offense and Rutgers' defense. We should be able to score on them, and if we continue to play defense we can take care of them
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Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Mar 17, 2012 8:19:50 GMT -5
What do people think of Gottfried as a coach (not personality)? For the most part we have beaten every team with a mediocre coach or worse. He wasn't there last year when we killed them.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 17, 2012 9:08:36 GMT -5
Really nervous about this game. Doesn't really have anything to do with NC st. It's the date that has me worried. The last 3 years our season has ended on this date march 18th. We cannot lose on march 18th again. Please please please do not lose on march 18th. I just cannot take it if we lose on march 18th again.
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 17, 2012 9:54:57 GMT -5
What do people think of Gottfried as a coach (not personality)? For the most part we have beaten every team with a mediocre coach or worse. He wasn't there last year when we killed them. I always thought of him as a "just roll the ball out there" coach. Mostly a recruiter. I remember his second-seeded Alabama team playing stupid and getting destroyed in the second round by Kent State. Haven't seen much of the 'Pack this year, but another poster already described them as a team that isn't that smart.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 17, 2012 10:59:41 GMT -5
Really nervous about this game. Doesn't really have anything to do with NC st. It's the date that has me worried. The last 3 years our season has ended on this date march 18th. We cannot lose on march 18th again. Please please please do not lose on march 18th. I just cannot take it if we lose on march 18th again. Happy early birthday HSB!
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 17, 2012 11:06:17 GMT -5
Different year. Different round. Different team.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 17, 2012 11:23:13 GMT -5
What do people think of Gottfried as a coach (not personality)? For the most part we have beaten every team with a mediocre coach or worse. He wasn't there last year when we killed them. He went to the same middle/high school I did. Comes from a well-connected sports family - his father Joe was a basketball coach and was the longtime AD at South Alabama and his uncle y'all know from ESPN. This helped a lot with recruiting but there's a feeling that he relied on this too much and got too lazy and comfortable by the end of his tenure at Alabama. Generally gets favorable media coverage, in no small part thanks to said family connections. What GvlSCHoya said is the standard take on him - not a big X's-and-O's guy, doesn't try to come up with a lot of set plays or make a ton of adjustments. Scheme-wise, I wonder if going back to our game against Alabama in Birmingham back in '07 would be revealing in terms of how he'll try to counter what we run. That Hoya team did some things quite differently from what we do now, though. Gottfried's seen as a players' coach and generally gets a lot of effort out of his team. He doesn't make it about himself, so he's not going to try to outwit you (which can backfire on coaches horribly). At the same time, I don't think he's particularly wedded to any one style and adjusts to the talent he has. WYSIWYG. I think we match up against NC State just fine, as long as we match their level of effort and intensity. This is not the kind of team against which you can be passive.
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Post by jgalt on Mar 17, 2012 11:36:28 GMT -5
Scheme-wise, I wonder if going back to our game against Alabama in Birmingham back in '07 would be revealing in terms of how he'll try to counter what we run. That Hoya team did some things quite differently from what we do now, though. Ahh, yes the Free Throw defense game.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Mar 17, 2012 11:47:39 GMT -5
Hope the team has the mindset that we haven't accomplished anything yet. We beat Belmont....big deal, means nothing. Considering the season we had, if we lose to State, we underachieve again. Be mean and stay hungry Hoyas!! www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/031612aag.htmlThis. These Hoyas are HUNGRY. NC State's a quality club playing good ball right now. But something about they way GU beat Pitt in the BET and the way they beat Belmont yesterday makes me optimistic. Defense. Tenacity. Hands on the ball off misses. Henry's emergence as a big who can finish. Jason's all-around game. Otto being Otto. Markel, Jabil, and Nate hustling. Greg being Greg. Mikael's quality mins. Bowen and Caprio cheering from the bench. Hollis, even in an off game, contributing in intangible ways like on D. A team that plays as one. Confidence. This team forced a shot clock violation against a team that had the 4th highest scoring average in the county and almost 9 threes per game. I like our chances tomorrow.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 17, 2012 12:00:19 GMT -5
Scheme-wise, I wonder if going back to our game against Alabama in Birmingham back in '07 would be revealing in terms of how he'll try to counter what we run. That Hoya team did some things quite differently from what we do now, though. Ahh, yes the Free Throw defense game. Not a bad strategy, it turned out - we only made 60% of our shots from the line. It was kind of a weird, disjointed game - until the last 4 minutes, they gummed up our offense well enough to keep pace. Eventually they just wore down though, especially the numerous freshmen they played who weren't used to expending that much energy. Considering the talent disparity - that Alabama team had lost to Belmont earlier that season - they did well to keep it as close as they did for as long as they did.
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Post by TheHoyaSports on Mar 17, 2012 12:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Mar 17, 2012 13:33:29 GMT -5
NC State has had some dramatic losses this year - playing well in losing to good teams. But they were 0-8 against teams from the RPI top 50 before beating SD State. On first blush, the only reason they made the NCAAs is they threaded the RPI needle of avoiding playing too many really bad teams out of conference that would have sunk it a bit, and winning alot of (very close) games against teams with RPIs 50-100.
They appear to be the classic BCS conference team that should have been left out of the field in favor of a mid-major; they had tons of chances to beat good teams in their conference and literally beat none of them. But they kept a good computer rating because their opponents were good.
All that said, that doesn't mean Georgetown won't lose to them. Alot stranger things have happened in the NCAAs - VCU's run last year, for example, came completely out of nowhere if you looked at their regular season results - but still, worth noting.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 17, 2012 14:22:16 GMT -5
The Hoyas will beat NCSt tomorrow. State's main players are young and make a lot of bonehead plays. The only chance of State winning is if Hank gets into foul trouble. The reason is our perimeter length. State has not faced a team with our length on the perimeter. Brown, Howell and Wood will not be able to get the looks that they normally are able to get. Remember how UF ran through the tourney in '06? It took one of the luckiest shot I've ever seen (Ray Allen in '96 gets consideration) to beat a GTown team that was good not great. The closest is UNC with Marshall and Bullock. I harp on this point because you just can't minimize the difficulty it causes shooting over 6'5"-6'8" for an entire game. It changes everything about your normal shot.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 17, 2012 14:35:27 GMT -5
NC State is one of those teams I have to ask, why don't they win more?
They don't seemed flawed in any specific way but boy do they find ways to lose and usually badly.
In the end, I think this game is like this year's Hoyas playing last year's Hoyas. NC State is fine offensively, a little too reliant on their threes falling, and can't string together consecutive stops to save their lives.
This year's Hoyas should win.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 17, 2012 16:01:03 GMT -5
Scouting the Opponent - GeorgetownEXCERPT:The Hoyas took the ball into the post against Belmont, outscoring the Bruins 44-20 in points in the paint. Georgetown came out in a 'big' lineup, started one guard (6'2") to go along with three forwards (all 6'8"), and a center (6'10").
The Pack has won the points in the paint battle the last eight games, and in 14 of the 19 games against ACC foes this season. NC State outscored the Aztecs in the paint, 38-18, as Richard Howell (22), C.J. Leslie (15), and DeShawn Painter (9) combined for 46 of the Pack's 79 points...
Georgetown also got it done on the defensive end against Belmont, a team averaging 81.5 points scored just 59 in the loss. The Hoyas rank second in the Big East and, No. 16 nationally, in scoring defense on the season (59.2).
In five of last seven games, NC State has shot 50.0 percent or better. In those seven games, the Pack is shooting 49.9 percent (194-389) from the field. The Pack shot well in the win over San Diego State, hitting 58.5 percent (31-53)...
NC State will be looking for a bit of revenge against the Hoyas, as Georgetown downed the Pack last season in the Charleston Classic.
"I know the one thing I can remember, it was very frustrating playing them because they're the type of team that doesn't want to score 80 to 90 points," said Richard Howell. "They don't want to get up and down the floor. They just want to play a very slow paced game."
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 17, 2012 16:09:28 GMT -5
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 17, 2012 16:13:04 GMT -5
Scouting the Opponent - GeorgetownEXCERPT:"I know the one thing I can remember, it was very frustrating playing them because they're the type of team that doesn't want to score 80 to 90 points," said Richard Howell. "They don't want to get up and down the floor. They just want to play a very slow paced game."
Selective memory. The final score was 82-67. No Mr. Powell, we don't want YOU to score 80-90pts...............
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Post by chep3 on Mar 17, 2012 16:55:33 GMT -5
The Hoyas will beat NCSt tomorrow. State's main players are young and make a lot of bonehead plays. The only chance of State winning is if Hank gets into foul trouble. The reason is our perimeter length. State has not faced a team with our length on the perimeter. Brown, Howell and Wood will not be able to get the looks that they normally are able to get. Remember how UF ran through the tourney in '06? It took one of the luckiest shot I've ever seen (Ray Allen in '96 gets consideration) to beat a GTown team that was good not great. The closest is UNC with Marshall and Bullock. I harp on this point because you just can't minimize the difficulty it causes shooting over 6'5"-6'8" for an entire game. It changes everything about your normal shot. That's probably not true because of FSU. But I think FSU won pretty handily against NC State, and hopefully a similar situation will occur tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 17:08:07 GMT -5
Passing C gets Wolfpack's attention by Doug Bean, CBSSports.com
In playing against Georgetown’s Henry Sims on Sunday in the NCAA Round of 32, NC State has the unique challenge of facing a center who leads his team in assists at 3.5 per game. “So we feel like [if] we can get up and pressure him and disrupt his passing, the game will go in our favor,” F Richard Howell said.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Mar 17, 2012 17:36:35 GMT -5
Passing C gets Wolfpack's attention by Doug Bean, CBSSports.com In playing against Georgetown’s Henry Sims on Sunday in the NCAA Round of 32, NC State has the unique challenge of facing a center who leads his team in assists at 3.5 per game. “So we feel like [if] we can get up and pressure him and disrupt his passing, the game will go in our favor,” F Richard Howell said. Perhaps true, but playing him too close also opens up a lot of other things, like the drive and backdoor cuts. As long as Henry can stay on the floor and out of foul trouble, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do tomorrow.
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