tarkman
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Post by tarkman on Apr 3, 2012 16:41:36 GMT -5
How are they going to transport the USS Midway to Onondaga Lake? Don't the promoters know SU doesn't take road trips until mid-January?
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 3, 2012 17:04:33 GMT -5
The deck of an aircraft carrier is called a Flat Top, hmmm.
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gujake
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Post by gujake on Apr 3, 2012 17:36:18 GMT -5
Ugghhhh, can't let marketing opportunities like this get away.
I'm very interested to hear about this conflict. Somehow it's hard to trust that the AD did everything possible here. BE/SEC challenge is possible, but seems too early for that, no? Those games have always been in December. The Legends Classic doesn't seem to fit given the dates. If it's just a crappy home game that we couldn't get rescheduled...
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Apr 3, 2012 17:47:39 GMT -5
I'm sure we'll wait to see opening weekend versus Towson. Hey hey hey, let's not act like that's small potatoes. It would be the return of Jerrelle Benimon, ready to wreak havoc on his old squad.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 3, 2012 18:06:19 GMT -5
Syracuse, which can hardly be bothered to play a non-conference game as far away as MSG, took this game?
Wow you know it's a mistake to pass up this kind of opportunity for national exposure/buzz.
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Post by westendhoya on Apr 3, 2012 18:13:11 GMT -5
One has to start questioning the leadership in the AD given the last few days...
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 3, 2012 18:30:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it has to do with us playing in the legends classic weren't the dates around the same time as the carrier classic game? Plus the two games included as part of the legends classic. We don't owe Alabama a game it was part of the SEC challenge but we might have to play a game as a part of that too. Early rounds of Brooklyn are 11/11-14 I believe. This is correct. Does that mean we host two different teams at home during the 11/11-11/15 period? It would be a shame if we lacked the flexibility to shift our game(s) to the backside of that window. Or, as often suspected, GU just can't negotiate its way out of a paper bag.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 3, 2012 18:33:58 GMT -5
It had to be a negotiating thing that they will play off as a conflict. The whole point of the aircraft game is that it will open the season. There is no way we will be playing a game on November 9. This line of reasoning is making no sense.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 3, 2012 18:45:04 GMT -5
Is it maybe, just possible, that with the NBA and NHL seasons in full swing by then, we had to commit to dates for the Brooklyn Classic, and therefore have no flexibility? Of course that would take the fun out of taking potshots at the admin without knowing the facts.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 3, 2012 18:48:27 GMT -5
Hasn't it already been decided that that Brooklyn classic opening round games are the 11-15? the midway game is november 9.
If the reason we aren't playing in this game is because two days later we have to play UNCG in the opening round of the Brooklyn classic, that is hella lame.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Apr 3, 2012 19:12:54 GMT -5
Hasn't it already been decided that that Brooklyn classic opening round games are the 11-15? the midway game is november 9. If the reason we aren't playing in this game is because two days later we have to play UNCG in the opening round of the Brooklyn classic, that is hella lame. Have you considered two cross country flights during midterms?
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gujake
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Post by gujake on Apr 3, 2012 19:33:32 GMT -5
Hasn't it already been decided that that Brooklyn classic opening round games are the 11-15? the midway game is november 9. Yeah, it says 11th-15th right on the web site. www.gazellegroup.com/events/legends/index_main.htm. I don't see how that could be it unless one of the reported dates (either Midway or Brooklyn) is wrong. I would be stunned if midterms/flights have anything to do with it. There's no set midterm schedule and lots of classes don't even have midterms. Plus, it's the weekend. I'm with GUJook97 on that... if it's because of the Legends Classic a couple days later, that's really lame and a wasted opportunity for big-time national exposure. November 9th is a Friday. If Georgetown already has a game scheduled for that day, I would think it would be more likely to be an away game or a tournament rather than a Verizon game, but I guess we will see.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Apr 3, 2012 19:37:39 GMT -5
Hasn't it already been decided that that Brooklyn classic opening round games are the 11-15? the midway game is november 9. If the reason we aren't playing in this game is because two days later we have to play UNCG in the opening round of the Brooklyn classic, that is hella lame. Have you considered two cross country flights during midterms? Yeah you cant really expect the staff to want that kind of schedule for the first two games of the season. Loosing to UNCG would be a disaster even if Gtown won in SD. How many times recently can you remember Gtown playing games (even two home games) in three days out of conference? Just not going to happen.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 3, 2012 19:39:07 GMT -5
Yes, the game is def. on Veteran's Day weekend. I think that's kind of the whole point. Still, this sucks giant moose. Not just that we don't get to play it, but that Satan does. We are all San Diego State now. ARRRRGGGHHH! Not only does it suck giant moose, it also &@#$!&*$#@$*&+$%&@#@s. Fill that in any way you like.
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gujake
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Post by gujake on Apr 3, 2012 19:45:02 GMT -5
Yeah you cant really expect the staff to want that kind of schedule for the first two games of the season. Loosing to UNCG would be a disaster even if Gtown won in SD. How many times recently can you remember Gtown playing games (even two home games) in three days out of conference? Just not going to happen. We played 3 games in 3 days in Hawaii this year. Granted, there was no travel between the games, but I don't think III is dead set against playing games close together out of conference.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Apr 3, 2012 19:52:51 GMT -5
Yeah you cant really expect the staff to want that kind of schedule for the first two games of the season. Loosing to UNCG would be a disaster even if Gtown won in SD. How many times recently can you remember Gtown playing games (even two home games) in three days out of conference? Just not going to happen. We played 3 games in 3 days in Hawaii this year. Granted, there was no travel between the games, but I don't think III is dead set against playing games close together out of conference. Yeah that is true, forgot about that. Of course the flights/travel change it up.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 3, 2012 20:06:45 GMT -5
If you have a chance to open the season this way, you should make it happen. I really can't see us having more than one game for the Brooklyn Classic during the week of the 11-15. It would be odd for each of the 4 teams to host two opening round games and then play in Brooklyn. But, I guess we'll see what comes out.
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Post by FLHoya on Apr 3, 2012 20:29:14 GMT -5
Awwww screw it, let's belabor the point. Here's the basic timeline: March 7: The four marquee Legends Classic teams are announced, along with the dates (Nov 19-20 in Brooklyn, Nov 11-15 on campus): hoyatalk2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=25507&page=1Keep in mind: this is the official public announcement. It's likely that GU signed up some time before this, though we don't know how much earlier. These tournaments do tend to lock teams up early. March 15: The SD Union Tribune reports that GU has been invited to play in the Midway game: www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/mar/15/aztecs-hoyas-could-meet-sunday-and-again-uss-midwa/We don't know when GU was approached. It could have been a recent thing (the article's tone kinda suggests it), or a while ago and only came out b/c of the hook of GU and SDSU being in the same bracket. Here's the money passage: Georgetown Athletic Director Lee Reed, in Columbus with the Hoyas basketball team, confirmed his school has been contacted but stressed it is far from finalizing anything.
“We’re flattered by that,” Reed said. “It has the potential to be a phenomenal annual event for college basketball and for the local community. But it’s still way too early. There’s no commitment on our end. We are aware of the game. We have a lot of respect for Al Kidd and the San Diego Sports Commission and its board. They do a great job.”Observation here: we probably all overreacted and assumed the game was close to a done deal. I know this afternoon was the first time I seriously read the above quote, which is basically Lee Reed telling everyone don't get your pants on fire. So we know that by March 7, Georgetown definitely was aware they're on the hook for two home games between Nov 11 - 15. It's unclear when SDSU approached GU about the Midway, but I personally think it's a reasonable assumption it was after GU committed to the Legends Classic. This is really the crux of the issue. There are two possibilities depending on the timing of when we knew of each offer: 1. GU was already locked into the Legends Classic when SDSU calledGU knows they have to play two home games between Sunday Nov 11th and Wednesday Nov 15th, the opening rounds of Legends Classic. The Midway game is Nov 9th in San Diego. GU considers the offer--how seriously, it's unclear--but decides they can't make it work, because per DFW's ref to the Syracuse Post-Standard article, we have a commitment that weekend: From the Syracuse Post-Standard:"A different Big East school, Georgetown, was initially invited to play SDSU, but the Hoyas could not get out of a previous engagement over the same weekend. Instead, they got an even bigger name, and one that almost never plays on the West Coast." Two possible reasons: a). Limited scheduling flexibility at Verizon forced us to hold the first Legends game on November 11th, and we couldn't change it. b). We're playing Legends games later in the window (maybe 11/13 and 11/15) but had a game scheduled on 11/9 or 11/10 that we couldn't cancel...perhaps a road game, or a guarantee game we'd have to pay to cancel. (I personally think A is more likely, FWIW.) In either case, it wasn't worth playing three games between 11/9 and 11/15 to open the season, especially if that also included trans-continental flight. 2. GU wasn't locked into the Legend's Classic yet when SDSU came callingThen it's basically a choice between two options: --Aircraft carrier game Pros: High visibility due to novelty, likely ESPN game, likely Top 25 opponent in SDSU, reaches Hoya fans who don't often get local games, aircraft carriers are awesome. Cons: Cross-country flight, may not match JTIII's idea of a good opening game, defending champ UK is opening the Barclay's Center that night. --Legends Classic Pros: Medium to High visibility due to possible quality of Brooklyn field, probable ESPN game, IU is a likely Top 5 even possible #1 team if/when we play, huge GU alumni base in NYC area, one of first games at Barclay's Cons: Mid-week game limits out of towners, on the hook for two lesser games at Verizon, what if we get UGA and UCLA instead, not a lead pipe lock for ESPN. Me personally: you try and get the aircraft carrier game because...again...aircraft carriers are awesome. But, if GU had already committed to Legends and couldn't get out of scheduling constraints, not much you can do. Lee Reed certainly didn't make it sound like San Diego was even close to happening, so maybe it was always gonna be an uphill climb. I wish we were playing in SD...but the Legends Classic if it falls right could produce a pretty darn good matchup with Indiana, even UCLA depending on their final recruiting class. You could even say if it were a choice between Midway and Legends, wouldn't be a terrible choice to take the latter. Just my theory after thinking it out. I do find it interesting that in situations like this, the default reaction of so many is to assume the AD/McD is incompetent and/or blew it. That is what it is; I've long said McD has a huge image problem that to some degree they deserve, at the very least for doing such a bad job communicating with fans over the years. To be fair to them, sometimes (who knows if this is one), there really is a logical explanation. Would be curious for someone to ask Lee Reed or Coach what the stumbling block was, just for the heck of it.
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gujake
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Post by gujake on Apr 3, 2012 20:58:19 GMT -5
Nice breakdown, FL. I had not seen that quote from Reed until today, either. In either case, it wasn't worth playing three games between 11/9 and 11/15 to open the season, especially if that also included trans-continental flight. Personally, I think the downside of having a rough early schedule is easily offset by the long-term marketing and recruiting benefits you get from playing on a freaking aircraft carrier.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 3, 2012 21:09:43 GMT -5
If each of the teams in the Brooklyn Classic are required to play two host games the week of 11/11-11/15 before going to Brooklyn, then yeah, I think that is a different story. Are we sure that is the case? I guess I think that seems odd. Who is responsible for getting those teams?
ON EDIT: I see that the format of the Legends this year was to have each of the 4 teams play two host games. There is also a consolation game over the weekend. Playing a four game tournament that week is pretty significant. Thanks for the info, FL. I would still rather play the carrier game, but you are right that we were committed to this first.
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