CaliHoya
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Post by CaliHoya on Mar 8, 2012 17:12:41 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, missing the front end of a 1-1 should count as a turnover. Starks did that twice, so those were 2 CRUCIAL turnovers in regulation.
We gave this game away, unfortunately. Without choking at the FT line, we win despite our offensive drought.
Still, a very good regular season and Big East tournament. It will be nice to step outside of conference finally, where we had plenty of success with opponents who don't know us as well.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 8, 2012 17:12:57 GMT -5
I was sure in OT Jason Clark would show up. I don't know what is the matter with him. He has completely lost confidence in his jump shot. Which doesn't make sense because he hit a couple in this game? |
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 8, 2012 17:13:00 GMT -5
We outplayed Cincinnati for the majority of 2 games this year (especially today)..this was all self inflicted in regulation. OT..they beat us...but in regulation? That should have been a comfortable 5-10 pt win.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 8, 2012 17:13:24 GMT -5
He has completely lost confidence in his jump shot. So has Hollis. |
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Post by perrymcruled on Mar 8, 2012 17:13:31 GMT -5
A great as it was to see them come back and force OT, that stretch of bad turnover basketball was as disappointed a I've been with the team all season. Can't believe they fell apart in that stretch.
Go Hoyaa.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 8, 2012 17:13:36 GMT -5
I cant believe people could possibly care that we drop from a 3 seed to 4. Yikes. I think we have to concern ourselves with several other things first. Moreover, a 3 or 4 seed is pretty damn awesome. We lost to a good team. It happens.
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Post by bringbackpage on Mar 8, 2012 17:13:47 GMT -5
Most frustrated I've been after a game in a long time. Completely gave it away. The missed free throws are inexcusable, the starks front end of a 1and1 was just horrible. Def should have won in regulation. What is it about Cincy that they own us?
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 8, 2012 17:13:53 GMT -5
Eh well, about what I expected when I found out Cincy was our fourth seed. There is a reason we lost to them the first game. Anybody who talks down about Cincy is nuts. They're better than we are until further notice. 4 straight wins. Eh, better is a relative term. I'd say South Florida and Notre Dame are better than Cincy, but we are better than South Florida and Notre Dame. We would lose 7 out of 10 games against Cincy in the Big East. In a non-Big East game against this team, I think we would win 6 out of 10 though. |
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Mar 8, 2012 17:13:56 GMT -5
Jason Clark and Hollis Thompson. If we're to do any damage in Tourney they have to pull it together. Jason's entry pass to Sims in double OT was a terrible play and then compounded it by going for steal, allowing an easy Cinci breakout. Jason getting beat off the dribble on Cinci's last possession. Jason not pushing the ball hard with 7 seconds and settling to set up a poor look from 3 for Sims. Hollis dribbling off his foot baseline. Short arming 2 point jumper from top of key in OT. Airballing wing 3 in 2nd OT. Slow to give help defensively on Gates' low post move late in 2nd OT.
I am usually a ray of optimism, but when Starks has a more positive impact on game then either Clark or Hollis, there is an issue.
I hope the two young fellas find their confidence in the next week.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 8, 2012 17:14:19 GMT -5
just a terrible loss. another example of the team being clueless coming out of a timeout. henry shooting a 3? really? same issues as back in january. careless turnovers, allowing too many 2nd shots, missing ft's and our guards not being able to handle much more athletic players. henry taking a 3....really? i blame III just as much as clark or hollis (who both stunk). your entire offense the last 6 minutes of regulation is handing the ball off outside the 3 pt line. terrible loss. Really you blame Henry! Take away Henry and this game was a blowout loss. Don't believe that JT III told Henry to take the shot. Once again the lack of a true point guard to handle pressure haunts this team. Blame alot of people today but get serious about blaming Henry. |
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Post by CaliHoya on Mar 8, 2012 17:14:41 GMT -5
You could also see the effects of fatigue in the OTs. We were much worse on rebounding and could not keep them out of the lane.
Cronin is a good coach. They consistently went to their best offensive options in the OTs. Also, much less of a clown than Jamie Dixon.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 8, 2012 17:14:41 GMT -5
I cant believe people could possibly care that we drop from a 3 seed to 4. Yikes. I think we have to concern ourselves with several other things first. Moreover, a 3 or 4 seed is pretty damn awesome. We lost to a good team. It happens. I think it's more frustrating that we gave the game away, like literally wrapped it up and handed it to them. |
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Mar 8, 2012 17:15:37 GMT -5
The most frustrating thing to me is that I will be watching the NBA All Star game two years from now and see Henry and Roy , God willing Jeff and maybe Otto and there won't be another national championship banner in McDonough. Good God do we ever underperform -FTs, turnovers. I am one heartbroken Hoya. This was very winnable.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 8, 2012 17:15:38 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, missing the front end of a 1-1 should count as a turnover. Starks did that twice, so those were 2 CRUCIAL turnovers in regulation. We gave this game away, unfortunately. Without choking at the FT line, we win despite our offensive drought. Still, a very good regular season and Big East tournament. It will be nice to step outside of conference finally, where we had plenty of success with opponents who don't know us as well. Yea, we've done great in the NCAA tournament recently. It should be a good time.  |
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Post by Dhall on Mar 8, 2012 17:16:06 GMT -5
And we saw that this is the exact same team that lost to Cincinnati on January 9th. With a lucky draw in the NCAAs, we can win three games. More likely, we are done by the end of the first weekend.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 8, 2012 17:16:16 GMT -5
I am usually a ray of optimism, but when Starks has a more positive impact on game then either Clark or Hollis, there is an issue. . Starks didn't have a positive impact on the game. I'd say he was worse than Clark, especially missing 2 1 and 1s. |
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Post by CaliHoya on Mar 8, 2012 17:16:29 GMT -5
Let's lock up this thread. Mindless venting and vitriol.
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Post by Cam on Mar 8, 2012 17:16:42 GMT -5
Markel? Huge two missed free throws that really, really cost us, especially the one-and-one miss when we were up 52-49...make those, and we likely win this in regulation. Still, he hit a big shot in the second overtime... The big shot in the second OT would never have happened if he had hit the front end of either of the 2 one-and-ones late. No credit for that as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by drd13 on Mar 8, 2012 17:16:57 GMT -5
This is an opportunity going into the tournament. Now everyone thinks that Henry Sims is our best player. This may be the truth (in my opinion it is and its extremely tough to argue). However, we have proven that we can win without him having a superstar caliber game. Defenses will key in on Henry, so the problem becomes whether or not Jason and Hollis can hit shots. Unfortunately, I'm not too optimistic, particularly on Hollis who can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn if there's a defender within a 5 foot radius of him.
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Post by mapei on Mar 8, 2012 17:17:43 GMT -5
I haven't seen the game and may not bother to watch my DVR later, but Jason's line - 12 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists and a steal against one turnover - doesn't seem to warrant the comment that he "stunk."
Otto had slightly more points, and more boards, which we expect, but also 4 turnovers.
Hollis's performance (judging by the numbers) does seem problematic. He has really slumped lately.
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