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Post by EasyEd on Mar 6, 2012 11:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Mar 6, 2012 12:01:21 GMT -5
Does anyone know where she's from originally?
I ask only because I am wondering who she will be running against when she announces her campaign for Congress this spring.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 6, 2012 12:04:04 GMT -5
"As many have already uncovered Sandra Fluke she is, in reality, a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control" I don't think anyone in their right minds would spend $210,000 (plus the opportunity cost of 3 years of income) and three years of her life just to change a school's policy on birth control. Please. Instead, she is an advocate who spent many years pushing for women's rights, and enrolled at Georgetown Law to add law to her skill set when she continues her work to push for women's rights after graduation. She saw the policy as something real that she could fight against when enrolled. BASED on her legal study, and her work experience, she has written an article where she believes that "it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance." She is entitled to her opinion. You don't have to agree with it. However, she is no different than any other law student coming to school with a specific goal in mind. Many students enroll after spending years in a profession because they know to truly advance in that profession that have to have a legal degree. It doesn't matter if its women's rights, corporate law, employment law, elder law, international law, etc etc. That is exactly what she did.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 6, 2012 12:12:09 GMT -5
"As many have already uncovered Sandra Fluke she is, in reality, a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control" I don't think anyone in their right minds would spend $210,000 (plus the opportunity cost of 3 years of income) and three years of her life just to change a school's policy on birth control. Please. Instead, she is an advocate who spent many years pushing for women's rights, and enrolled at Georgetown Law to add law to her skill set when she continues her work to push for women's rights after graduation. She saw the policy as something real that she could fight against when enrolled. BASED on her legal study, and her work experience, she has written an article where she believes that "it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance." She is entitled to her opinion. You don't have to agree with it. However, she is no different than any other law student coming to school with a specific goal in mind. Many students enroll after spending years in a profession because they know to truly advance in that profession that have to have a legal degree. It doesn't matter if its women's rights, corporate law, employment law, elder law, international law, etc etc. That is exactly what she did. Except most people don't enroll at a school for the stated purpose of changing the policies at that school.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 6, 2012 12:17:15 GMT -5
You didn't read what I posted. It wasn't the only reason she enrolled at Georgetown.
Even if it was, who cares. Its glad this hypocrisy finally has a voice.
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Post by Boz on Mar 6, 2012 12:52:27 GMT -5
For the record, I am doing my utmost to avoid making any Life of Brian references throughout this discussion.
I think I deserve some credit for resisting as long as I have.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 6, 2012 12:52:53 GMT -5
Someone where just cited something posted on a site called "Jammie Wearing Fools." Look, I'm just saying.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 6, 2012 13:09:48 GMT -5
WSJ OpEd today, written by another GU Law Grad: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203370604577263281305035966.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTopShe claims that: Yes, birth-control pills can be prescribed to address medical problems, though that's relatively rare and the Catholic Church has no quarrel with their use in this circumstance. And the university's insurance covers prescriptions in these cases.That sound true? To me that seems like an important bit of information.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 6, 2012 13:14:56 GMT -5
What is the original source for the blog claim that she "enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control?"
I do not doubt that she enrolled at GULC to study First Amendment law for the perfectly legitimate career of public interest advocate for various liberal causes. It seems ridiculous to infer that her primary criterion for choosing a law school was to challenge the school's insurance plan.
Besides, it is Rush Limbaugh who has made her a famous liberal activist with a national following. Before Rush, she was just a law student activist that Congressional Republicans were afraid to allow to participate in a hearing no one would have watched.
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Post by TC on Mar 6, 2012 13:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by bmartin on Mar 6, 2012 13:24:48 GMT -5
WSJ OpEd today, written by another GU Law Grad: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203370604577263281305035966.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTopShe claims that: Yes, birth-control pills can be prescribed to address medical problems, though that's relatively rare and the Catholic Church has no quarrel with their use in this circumstance. And the university's insurance covers prescriptions in these cases.That sound true? To me that seems like an important bit of information. Fluke addressed that in her testimony. She cited a woman who was denied coverage even though the contraceptive prescription was for ovarian cysts and the student did not need it for birth control. The student ended up needing surgery. All of that is beside the point. The Church is not paying for anything here. The university, law school, medical school, hospital, etc. are not churches. Employees pay for their health insurance as I explained above. The costs of student insurance are passed on through tuition as with other services. It isn't the Church's money.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 6, 2012 13:40:15 GMT -5
WSJ OpEd today, written by another GU Law Grad: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203370604577263281305035966.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTopShe claims that: Yes, birth-control pills can be prescribed to address medical problems, though that's relatively rare and the Catholic Church has no quarrel with their use in this circumstance. And the university's insurance covers prescriptions in these cases.That sound true? To me that seems like an important bit of information. Thats the policy as stated. As implemented at Georgetown, "medical problems" is a very narrow category and Georgetown questions the doctors reasons for prescribing it. Many doctors prescribe it for general medical reasons, such as hormonal imbalances, and this is not rare at all. However, even when one does have a very legitimate medical reason (ovarian cysts, for instance), that medical reason gets caught up in insurance red tape.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 6, 2012 13:46:01 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Mar 6, 2012 14:29:24 GMT -5
Am I to understand that Ms. Fluke was not just a random GU Law Student expressing her opinion, but rather had some sort of agenda? I am shocked by this revelation.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 6, 2012 14:36:48 GMT -5
Am I to understand that Ms. Fluke was not just a random GU Law Student expressing her opinion, but rather had some sort of agenda? I am shocked by this revelation. More shocked by that or by the fact Cuse player do drugs and don't get punished? ;D
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Post by kchoya on Mar 6, 2012 15:16:06 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 6, 2012 15:22:11 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Mar 6, 2012 16:57:23 GMT -5
A. If you believe Schultz's suspension was Schultz's idea, I've got some more bridges to sell you.
B. As long as we're reporting both instances, it should be noted that Ingraham accepted Schultz's apology.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 6, 2012 17:26:09 GMT -5
Not really, given that it was pretty much the emphasis of her testimony. Eh, like the vast majority of people following this story nationally I suspect, I didn't actually watch her testimony. I really only took an interest when it started putting the Georgetown name in or near the headlines in some major media outlets. The WSJ quote didn't seem to mesh with what I had heard from Fluke supporters, which was that even if you had a serious medical condition that required these drugs that you couldn't be covered (and could lose an ovary or whatnot), but thanks to those who provided clarification. Seems to me that if somebody could mitigate the issues with insurance company red tape and denial of coverage when these drugs are prescribed for an actual medical reason, that would solve a lot of problems. Of course, that's not what people want to talk about in this thread, so I shall step back and let all of you legal types figure out constitutionality and all that good stuff.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 6, 2012 19:18:53 GMT -5
A. If you believe Schultz's suspension was Schultz's idea, I've got some more bridges to sell you. B. As long as we're reporting both instances, it should be noted that Ingraham accepted Schultz's apology. According to the article, Schultz was indeed the one who suggested a week-long suspension and then decided to make it indefinite. I have no idea whether or not that's true, but I see no reason to dismiss the facts as reported out of hand. A low opinion of Schultz doesn't really speak to the accuracy of Mediaite's reporting one way or the other. As for the issue of apology acceptance, I think the difference has something to do with the fact that Schultz's apology was "remarkably fulsome and sincere" while Limbaugh's was a half-hearted half-apology which basically said "I'm sorry I called her those two bad words" while leaving unmentioned the content of the rest of his tirade (that she was a sex addict, asking who bought condoms for her in junior high, etc.), as well as his insulting of all Georgetown women and all women who receive birth control coverage through public money (like soldiers). Rush's apology was positively Boeheimesque.
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