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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 6, 2012 11:16:13 GMT -5
And I can assure you, she was alone.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 6, 2012 11:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Mar 6, 2012 12:01:21 GMT -5
Does anyone know where she's from originally?
I ask only because I am wondering who she will be running against when she announces her campaign for Congress this spring.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 6, 2012 12:04:04 GMT -5
"As many have already uncovered Sandra Fluke she is, in reality, a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control" I don't think anyone in their right minds would spend $210,000 (plus the opportunity cost of 3 years of income) and three years of her life just to change a school's policy on birth control. Please. Instead, she is an advocate who spent many years pushing for women's rights, and enrolled at Georgetown Law to add law to her skill set when she continues her work to push for women's rights after graduation. She saw the policy as something real that she could fight against when enrolled. BASED on her legal study, and her work experience, she has written an article where she believes that "it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance." She is entitled to her opinion. You don't have to agree with it. However, she is no different than any other law student coming to school with a specific goal in mind. Many students enroll after spending years in a profession because they know to truly advance in that profession that have to have a legal degree. It doesn't matter if its women's rights, corporate law, employment law, elder law, international law, etc etc. That is exactly what she did. |
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Post by kchoya on Mar 6, 2012 12:12:09 GMT -5
"As many have already uncovered Sandra Fluke she is, in reality, a 30 year old long time liberal activist who enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control" I don't think anyone in their right minds would spend $210,000 (plus the opportunity cost of 3 years of income) and three years of her life just to change a school's policy on birth control. Please. Instead, she is an advocate who spent many years pushing for women's rights, and enrolled at Georgetown Law to add law to her skill set when she continues her work to push for women's rights after graduation. She saw the policy as something real that she could fight against when enrolled. BASED on her legal study, and her work experience, she has written an article where she believes that "it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance." She is entitled to her opinion. You don't have to agree with it. However, she is no different than any other law student coming to school with a specific goal in mind. Many students enroll after spending years in a profession because they know to truly advance in that profession that have to have a legal degree. It doesn't matter if its women's rights, corporate law, employment law, elder law, international law, etc etc. That is exactly what she did. Except most people don't enroll at a school for the stated purpose of changing the policies at that school. |
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 6, 2012 12:17:15 GMT -5
You didn't read what I posted. It wasn't the only reason she enrolled at Georgetown.
Even if it was, who cares. Its glad this hypocrisy finally has a voice.
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Post by Boz on Mar 6, 2012 12:52:27 GMT -5
For the record, I am doing my utmost to avoid making any Life of Brian references throughout this discussion.
I think I deserve some credit for resisting as long as I have.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 6, 2012 12:52:53 GMT -5
Someone where just cited something posted on a site called "Jammie Wearing Fools." Look, I'm just saying.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 6, 2012 13:09:48 GMT -5
WSJ OpEd today, written by another GU Law Grad: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203370604577263281305035966.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTopShe claims that: Yes, birth-control pills can be prescribed to address medical problems, though that's relatively rare and the Catholic Church has no quarrel with their use in this circumstance. And the university's insurance covers prescriptions in these cases.That sound true? To me that seems like an important bit of information. |
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Post by bmartin on Mar 6, 2012 13:14:56 GMT -5
What is the original source for the blog claim that she "enrolled at Georgetown with the express purpose of fighting for the school to pay for students' birth control?"
I do not doubt that she enrolled at GULC to study First Amendment law for the perfectly legitimate career of public interest advocate for various liberal causes. It seems ridiculous to infer that her primary criterion for choosing a law school was to challenge the school's insurance plan.
Besides, it is Rush Limbaugh who has made her a famous liberal activist with a national following. Before Rush, she was just a law student activist that Congressional Republicans were afraid to allow to participate in a hearing no one would have watched.
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Post by TC on Mar 6, 2012 13:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by bmartin on Mar 6, 2012 13:24:48 GMT -5
WSJ OpEd today, written by another GU Law Grad: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203370604577263281305035966.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTopShe claims that: Yes, birth-control pills can be prescribed to address medical problems, though that's relatively rare and the Catholic Church has no quarrel with their use in this circumstance. And the university's insurance covers prescriptions in these cases.That sound true? To me that seems like an important bit of information. Fluke addressed that in her testimony. She cited a woman who was denied coverage even though the contraceptive prescription was for ovarian cysts and the student did not need it for birth control. The student ended up needing surgery. All of that is beside the point. The Church is not paying for anything here. The university, law school, medical school, hospital, etc. are not churches. Employees pay for their health insurance as I explained above. The costs of student insurance are passed on through tuition as with other services. It isn't the Church's money. |
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 6, 2012 13:40:15 GMT -5
WSJ OpEd today, written by another GU Law Grad: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203370604577263281305035966.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTopShe claims that: Yes, birth-control pills can be prescribed to address medical problems, though that's relatively rare and the Catholic Church has no quarrel with their use in this circumstance. And the university's insurance covers prescriptions in these cases.That sound true? To me that seems like an important bit of information. Thats the policy as stated. As implemented at Georgetown, "medical problems" is a very narrow category and Georgetown questions the doctors reasons for prescribing it. Many doctors prescribe it for general medical reasons, such as hormonal imbalances, and this is not rare at all. However, even when one does have a very legitimate medical reason (ovarian cysts, for instance), that medical reason gets caught up in insurance red tape. |
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 6, 2012 13:46:01 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Mar 6, 2012 14:29:24 GMT -5
Am I to understand that Ms. Fluke was not just a random GU Law Student expressing her opinion, but rather had some sort of agenda? I am shocked by this revelation.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 6, 2012 14:36:48 GMT -5
Am I to understand that Ms. Fluke was not just a random GU Law Student expressing her opinion, but rather had some sort of agenda? I am shocked by this revelation. More shocked by that or by the fact Cuse player do drugs and don't get punished? ;D |
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Post by afirthionado on Mar 6, 2012 14:42:52 GMT -5
WSJ OpEd today, written by another GU Law Grad: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203370604577263281305035966.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTopShe claims that: Yes, birth-control pills can be prescribed to address medical problems, though that's relatively rare and the Catholic Church has no quarrel with their use in this circumstance. And the university's insurance covers prescriptions in these cases.That sound true? To me that seems like an important bit of information. Thats the policy as stated. As implemented at Georgetown, "medical problems" is a very narrow category and Georgetown questions the doctors reasons for prescribing it. Many doctors prescribe it for general medical reasons, such as hormonal imbalances, and this is not rare at all. However, even when one does have a very legitimate medical reason (ovarian cysts, for instance), that medical reason gets caught up in insurance red tape. Yes. Not to restate what I posted earlier, but this is the excerpt from the NYT article: "One recent Georgetown law graduate, who asked not to be identified for reasons of medical privacy, said she had polycystic ovary syndrome, a condition for which her doctor prescribed birth control pills. She is gay and had no other reason to take the pills. Georgetown does not cover birth control for students, so she made sure her doctor noted the diagnosis on her prescription. Even so, coverage was denied several times. She finally gave up and paid out of pocket, more than $100 a month. After a few months she could no longer afford the pills. Within months she developed a large ovarian cyst that had to be removed surgically — along with her ovary." If Georgetown has a policy which is meant to grant exceptions to students for medical reasons, it's not working. |
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Post by kchoya on Mar 6, 2012 15:16:06 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 6, 2012 15:22:11 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Mar 6, 2012 16:57:23 GMT -5
A. If you believe Schultz's suspension was Schultz's idea, I've got some more bridges to sell you.
B. As long as we're reporting both instances, it should be noted that Ingraham accepted Schultz's apology.
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