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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2012 21:12:54 GMT -5
Enough with the Clark bashing. He had a poor game today. But he has been a warrior during this unexpected season. An MOP trophy a week from today is not out of the question. Hope he shakes it off and delivers in his last BET.
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Post by detmut on Mar 3, 2012 21:23:00 GMT -5
I'm not as in love with Jabril as everyone else. but you are in love with yourself
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 3, 2012 21:27:13 GMT -5
Where was this game lost? One could argue the defeat was sealed with the last six minutes of the first half when GU had a difficulty scoring largely in part to the Hoyas’ inability to make free throws. This allowed Marquette to take a ten point halftime lead and I found it hard to believe that Marquette would allow itself to squander a second double digit lead to the Hoyas this season again.
However I am going to choose another timeframe in which a loss for the Hoyas became all but official. Try from 6:52 to 5:35 mark of the second half. The Hoyas were down 62 to 53 and off a miss Greg had snared a rebound with the Hoyas looking to go the other way and cut the deficit down even further. But Whit “falls” to the floor and has to let go of the ball to avoid a travelling call. Unfortunately the ball falls into Crowder’s hand who goes up and scores and is fouled. Nine point lead grows to twelve for Marquette (65 to 53). Momentum killer.
To make it worse moments later Jason bounces a lazy and careless pass near the three point line to Nate who isn’t properly sealing off his defender. Chowder steals the ball and goes all the way to the other end for a layup. 67 to 53. Then Hollis gets to the free throw lines and misses both attempts. On the next time down the court during a fastbreak he goes up for a slam but misses. That’s four points lost. Instead of cutting the difference to ten it remains fourteen.
There was another sequence with just under four minutes to go in which Crowder would “somehow” get another missed shot to fall in his hands and is fouled as he scores and falls down. But the real killer was that stretch from 6:52 to 5;35. Even with all the missed free throws and bad calls, even with all the turnovers and bad shooting, that bad run was the nail in the coffin.
Nonetheless I actually come away with this game somewhat encouraged. Look at everything the Hoyas had to deal with: a top ten team with arguably two of the top five players in the BE conference this season; a top ten team playing at home on Senior Day trying to put an end to the four year streak of losing Senior Day games, a top ten team playing at home with a crowd giving it a true home advantage, a top ten team coming off a loss that is not only trying to secure its seeding but avenge an earlier loss to Gtown which its players MUST feel they gave away. Want more? The Hoyas’ two seniors had relatively bad games (or at least subpar) which included Henry fouling out with loads of time still remaining in the second half. And to make it worse the Hoyas missed far too many shots and had the misfortune of having one of the worst free throw shooting performances of the season during the same game in which Marquette has one of its greatest free throw shooting showings. And to add salt to the wounds it seemed as if Marquette got the benefit of a large share of questionable calls. The Georgetown team that showed up for the Seton Hall loss or even the ones that showed up in home wins against Rutgers and Providence would have been destroyed in this game. But the Hoyas that showed up today were far more aggressive. That’s not to say they played well, but they did play hard and looked motivated albeit not enough to overcome the disadvantages and their own errors.
My point is if the Hoyas want to do true damage in the post season they are going to need to be aggressive like this on offense because the defense won’t hold every team to 40 total points and 30% shooting. When the Hoyas broke the press and attacked the basket that was a sight for my sore eyes. When Hollis looked to force the action rather than decide to be invisible for 75% of the game that was encouraging.
Props to Marquette. I read many disparaging comments made by Hoya fans towards those guys but we Hoya fans would love it if our guys had that take-no-prisoner attitude. Marquette’s players didn’t play dirty, they played hard and tough and smart. The worst things they can be accused of was pounding their chest s too much. I loved how when they got a defensive rebound they made a beeline to the Hoyas basket as much as possible. After seeing it lead to layups and fouls time and time again, I begin to think of two things: 1)why are the Hoyas allowing them to repeatedly do that and 2)why don’t the Hoyas do much more of that themselves?
How fast can Gtown learn from this game and grow up over the next week? Because if they were lucky to face Marquette again in the BET I do think this the outcome could be different. Today was a good learning experience for them IMO. Their offense needs to be sharper from this point forward so that the defense doesn’t have to carry the day each game.
Now some thoughts on the players.
Yes, Markel did not have a good game. No, he probably doesn’t deserve all the bale he is getting. Granted we needed him to have a game in which he was making shots and putting up 14 or so points. Instead he was too passive at times and unwilling to attack the defense more. He also had two horrible floaters (Otto bailed him out once) when he should have settled for pullup jumpers instead. But did he cost the Hoyas this game? No. He didn’t help all that much but he surely wasn’t the cause for the defeat.
Hollis was on the verge of having a B+ game until that stretch in which he missed two free throws and then blew that jam. But I liked how he was looking for the rock and mixing it up inside at times. Plus he created for others with some beautiful passes today. That is the Hollis the Hoyas will need from this point forward.
Bad game for Jason but I’ll just mark it off as him having “one of those days.” He competed though and that does count.
Henry competed too but he was too indecisive on offense. A couple of open looks he had but he decided to pass the rock up to teammates further out on the perimeter. Most distressing was that he refused to shoot when he had posted up much smaller players in the post. Since Marquette was keying on stopping him from racking up assists, he needed to make them pay by scoring over his defenders. He didn’t which meant he was basically a non-factor on offense. But he was a beast on the boards at least.
On the other hand Mikael was fantastic in his limited time playing. Early on in the game I was hoping III would put him out on the floor and when he did. Mikael rewarded him. His lone basket was in a stark contrast to Henry. He got the ball about eight or so feet from the basket with a smaller defender on his hip. Did he look to pass? No. He made a quick move and took a dribble and scored picking up a foul in the process. Nice and aggressive. Oh, and he schooled all the other Hoyas on how to knock down free throws , going three for three. He is going to be really, really good. But would he ever be the type of big man that III prefers. He, Tyler and Moses don’t seem to be the types that face the basket from fifteen feet away as they look for cutters. They seem to be more traditional types who get the ball inside and look to score. I don’t have a problem with that, but will III?
Nate needs some of that aggression. I swear if he has the ball and was unguarded five feet from the hoop he would throw the ball to a teammate in double coverage fifteen feet away. He needs to look for his points; he needs to use his strong, wide frame to post some guys up. I will give him credit by the way for that steal he made and I will concede he went up kinda strong for the basket. Yet my complaint would be that he needs to still finish that.. He should have expected the contact and therefore should have gone up quicker and with even more force. Find a way to get that hoop down. Also, it would help himself and his teammates if he works on his FTS from now until the end of time.
What can I say about Otto today? Not enough. I can’t recall any young player, not even guards, who as freshman are so reliable to hit midrange stand-still jumpshots. It is a lost art but this guy already has this weapon in his arsenal.
Whitt didn’t have a good outing, especially in that head fake by Johnson-Odom that he bit on. He didn’t score like we have gotten used to and Gtown could have sure used his scoring today. But he was still battling on the boards, blocking shots, playing defense. Again not a great day for him but I’m sure the next time an opposing team tries to rough him up like that he will be better able to handle it.
Jabril had early moments in which he looked like he was weary of that press and he shot one bad airball. But he settled down next time he returned to the floor and played solid. Kid can drive against anyone and one day I expect him to be a taller, superior version of Odom-Johnson.
Don’t know why people are so down after the loss. Marquette has been the better team this season and they have the Big East version of the LeBron-Wade one-two punch. I think the Hoyas went up against a great squad and gave them a battle that they can walk away from with their heads up. Not that they should be proud or satisfied with the result. But they shouldn’t be down on themselves because they competed and kept battling. This wasn’t the same as that shameful showing against Seton Hall. Hopefully the Hoyas will grow from this.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 3, 2012 21:28:38 GMT -5
Maybe it's because the whistle parade killed the momentum, but there's no way this crowd was as loud or intimidating as the ones in 2006 and 2008 (when we won). They just had a better game plan and executed it with a little help from the guys in the stripes.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 3, 2012 21:29:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure how many people are in love with Trawick, it's simply that what he brings to the table versus what Starks brings to the table is totally out of line with the relative minutes that they get. Starks has a better handle, shot, and can penetrate, but he does all of those infrequently. On the defensive end, he grabs and gambles and gets blown by regularly. Trawick doesn't bring much on offense, but is a far better defender and is probably the best guy on the team at getting to the rack and drawing fouls. Furthermore, he never looks like he's going to Edited his pants, which is more than we can say for Starks against pressure today. Honestly, Starks is not very good at dribble penetration. He lacks the athleticism, speed, explosiveness and handles to dribble penetrate and either finish or kick out. Straks and Jabril have about the same handles although vs the press Jabril is better. I do think that Jabril makes alot of freshman mistakes on offense though and at least this season doesn't have an effective out side shot. I think it's too late in the season to make that kind of change. Also Starks has seniority and for team morale I think that counts for something. To completely bench starks (limit him to 7 minutes a game) would send the wrong message.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2012 21:39:08 GMT -5
Enough with the Clark bashing. He had a poor game today. But he has been a warrior during this unexpected season. An MOP trophy a week from today is not out of the question. Hope he shakes it off and delivers in his last BET. People on here are bashing Clark??? Lol The last person on this team I’m worried about is Jason…
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 3, 2012 21:43:34 GMT -5
Just finished watching the game. Damn, I've never seen so many fouls called when guys arms were straight up.
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Post by unclebeets on Mar 3, 2012 21:46:33 GMT -5
OK -- 12-6 in the conference, 20-win season, NCAA at large bid with a 7 or 8 seed worst case. Really, isn't this about what everyone expected, if not better?
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 3, 2012 21:55:11 GMT -5
OK -- 12-6 in the conference, 20-win season, NCAA at large bid with a 7 or 8 seed worst case. Really, isn't this about what everyone expected, if not better? No. Non-GU fans didn't expect anything from these Hoyas and GU fans overall seem to expect only a little more than that. But I get your point. Also with the team's RPI, there is no way the Hoyas fall to a 7 or 8 seed. At the very least Gtown has one more game before Selection Sunday so even if the Hoyas lose the first game of the BET they can't fall to that low of a seed.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 3, 2012 21:56:01 GMT -5
OK -- 12-6 in the conference, 20-win season, NCAA at large bid with a 7 or 8 seed worst case. Really, isn't this about what everyone expected, if not better? 7 or 8 seed at worst? Is that a joke?
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Post by CaliHoya on Mar 3, 2012 21:59:06 GMT -5
Umm, first, we'd be a 4 or 5 seed in the tourney at the very worst. Probably a 3 seed.
Second, yes, the game was not fun, but we ran into a Top 10 team in front of a great crowd. They played well, while our shots didn't fall. I was frustrated by our inability to break the press, but since this is really the first game all year this was a major problem, I think we learn from it and get stronger.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 3, 2012 22:35:28 GMT -5
Despite the turnovers and the missed free throws, the foul trouble for Henry and Hollis killed our chances to keep it close and to come back.
The score was 44-43 when Henry was in the game. Hollis had 19 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists in 27 minutes. When those two were out of the game, Otto was the only player Marquette could not handle.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 3, 2012 22:35:45 GMT -5
summary us DIDNT HIT FOUL SHOTS.. except for hopkins 3-3 rest of team 50% second and last point the refs. 45-25 foul shots AND the announcers kept saying quette getting away with murder. NOW MOVE ON TO NYC ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by gujake on Mar 4, 2012 2:00:33 GMT -5
I thought the Hoyas outplayed Marquette in the half court. Three areas killed Georgetown today imo: (1) free throw shooting, (2) refs, (3) turnovers in the backcourt.
The first two things are frustrating, but mostly bad luck. I know some will argue that free throws are not luck, but at this point in the season guys are not going to magically make huge improvements at the line. The Hoyas shot under their season average by quite a bit. If we shoot our season avg, we score 4 more points. Who knows how many points the refs accounted for. But again, that's mostly bad luck.
The thing that was really disappointing was the turnovers in the backcourt against the press. Georgetown only had 3 more turnovers than Marquette today, but that doesn't come close to explaining the story since so many of Georgetown's turnovers were in the backcourt and led directly to points for Marquette. The HD box score at Hoya Prospectus shows that Marquette outscored Georgetown 19-2(!) off of steals. Against a top 10 team on the road, that is an insurmountable advantage. Clark and Starks were both dreadful with this today.
I'm very glad we have no more road games this season. It's been a great year so far, and I am eager to see what this group will do in the post-season.
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 4, 2012 7:41:45 GMT -5
After thinking on the game, a couple of points: to me the difference in the game and the two teams is Jae Crowder.He made the press work, which was key. He was always there with a put back or a drive or a steal whenever we got close to making a game of it in the second half. Simplly, he would not let his team lose that game. It is astonishing to me why he gets so little national attention: he is not athletically flashy, he just gets it all done. Reminds me a bit of Jeff Green. Second: I do not underestand why we were not more prepared for their press: we have handled Louisville's and UC's with far less turnovers. JT3 has to take some blame for this. But then again, you can't really prepare for a player-Crowder- who will not be denied.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 4, 2012 7:54:19 GMT -5
Reminds me a bit of Jeff Green. ...except Jeff Green was never in the habit of making the throat slash gesture to his opponents.
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 4, 2012 8:22:40 GMT -5
We won't fall below a 4 seed in the dance. The problem is that at a 4 we might not get placed near home in the tourney. That means we won't have a good HOYA crowd at the site, we don't travel well. Would have liked to see a 3 seed in P-Burgh or Greensboro, probably won't happen. Also give the Clark bar a break, he was our best player all year, just we make him play the point, because our point guard is ineffective. That's III's fault because he played Chris so many minutes that no one got experience.
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Post by Massholya on Mar 4, 2012 8:38:08 GMT -5
Reminds me a bit of Jeff Green. ...except Jeff Green was never in the habit of making the throat slash gesture to his opponents. Or flopping around like a Wounded fish
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 4, 2012 8:59:31 GMT -5
Marquette missed one more free throw then Georgetown, but had twenty more attempts. GAME! In a season where GTown has been so steady and competent in so many facets, I now consider Free Throw shooting as our number one weak spot. Sure, if you have a monster at the point guard or center positions, Georgetown needs to stitch together a D to counter you, but it seems like the Hoyas overall length and excellent defensive rebounding (ok, Otto Porter) can mitigate some serious threats. Last night, Georgetown squandered terrific first half momentum with missed free throws, and practically gave them the game. Marquette is a top team, obviously, but I expected the Hoyas and their renewed commitment to D to come out on top. Then, the red paint chips came raining down. Georgetown simply does not have the firepower to beat elite teams while giving them multiple reprieves from the stripe. Also, note to Coach Thompson, please do a better job of protecting Henry in the post-season. Who can forget that ridiculous stretch in the National Semi-Finals when Roy was spazzing around the top of the key on D with three fouls and ten minutes left in a close game, hacking Buckeye guards and throwing bony hips seemingly without a care in the world. Coach, you got greedy, and after looking the other way for a possession or two, the refs hit Roy with number four, and down we went. I know you generally do well disregarding foul trouble, but Henry fouling out with almost ten minutes left strikes me as a bench coaching issue. Hopkins is good, but he is more 14 minute mark to six or seven minute mark good, with Henry waiting in the wings, as opposed to "damn the Henrys, full Hopkins ahead" kind of good. Thanking you in advance for Henry not fouling out with ten minutes left in any more games, unless we're up by thirty...
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Post by Eurostar on Mar 4, 2012 9:55:37 GMT -5
Nate needs some of that aggression. I swear if he has the ball and was unguarded five feet from the hoop he would throw the ball to a teammate in double coverage fifteen feet away. He needs to look for his points; he needs to use his strong, wide frame to post some guys up. I will give him credit by the way for that steal he made and I will concede he went up kinda strong for the basket. Yet my complaint would be that he needs to still finish that.. He should have expected the contact and therefore should have gone up quicker and with even more force. Find a way to get that hoop down. Also, it would help himself and his teammates if he works on his FTS from now until the end of time. The reason Nate doesnt look to score down low as much as he should, as you alluded to, is his free throw shooting. He misses more FTs than he makes and looks terrified when he's at the line. Like you said, he needs to spend at least an extra 30min-1hr per DAY from now until our last game of the season working on free throws. He shouldnt be this bad - he could be up to 60% with some confidence.
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