hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Feb 13, 2012 16:20:40 GMT -5
www.patriotleague.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/021312aac.htmlStarting with the class entering school in the fall of 2013, each school will be permitted to award no more than the equivalent of 15 athletic financial aid awards each year to incoming football student-athletes, including transfer student-athletes. The total amount of all countable financial aid awarded to all football student-athletes may not exceed 60 equivalencies in any year. Think we can get back into the MAAC (which, on edit, doesn't appear to exist anymore)? Might as well join the Big East before we stay in the Patriot League.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 13, 2012 16:53:57 GMT -5
Lots of coverage on the football page tomorrow, including a good place for a new home.
(The MAAC folded in 2007.)
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Post by hoya8185 on Feb 13, 2012 16:54:19 GMT -5
May move to becoming an independent with as close as possible to an all IVY schedule. (plus some traditional rivals)
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 13, 2012 17:59:47 GMT -5
So is the general consensus that there's no way Georgetown goes for this?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 13, 2012 18:52:43 GMT -5
So is the general consensus that there's no way Georgetown goes for this? Six presidents in the chorus, but the one on the outside was loud and clear: "Georgetown will continue its membership in the Patriot League in the sport of football and explore all of its options, including our ability to compete as a need-based aid program. We remain committed to our goal of providing our student athletes with an unparalleled academic experience and an athletically competitive football program." grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/patr/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/PLpresidentCommentsFootballFA.pdf
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Feb 13, 2012 19:05:01 GMT -5
So is the general consensus that there's no way Georgetown goes for this? Six presidents in the chorus, but the one on the outside was loud and clear: "Georgetown will continue its membership in the Patriot League in the sport of football and explore all of its options, including our ability to compete as a need-based aid program. We remain committed to our goal of providing our student athletes with an unparalleled academic experience and an athletically competitive football program." grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/patr/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/PLpresidentCommentsFootballFA.pdfI cannot quite figure out what this means except that it is a pretty emphatic rejection of the idea that we'll leave the conference.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 13, 2012 20:18:03 GMT -5
Georgetown is not leaving in 2012. But "exploring options" is president-speak for considering other conference alignments, usually sooner rather than later. Examples:
"Texas A&M University President R. Bowen Loftin notified the Big 12 Conference today that A&M is exploring options regarding conference affiliation."--August 2011
"We’re going to be exploring options generally and will be making no comments about specific areas where we have begun to look at."--University of Missouri, Oct. 2011
"Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson said Wednesday... the conference is exploring options of merging with Conference USA or adding several schools."--Feb. 9, 2011
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 13, 2012 21:22:10 GMT -5
I say pony up and play real football or jut scrap the program. No point in moving to the pioneer league.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Feb 13, 2012 21:24:03 GMT -5
I say pony up and play real football or jut scrap the program. No point in moving to the pioneer league. I think I totally agree, but doesn't matter because neither is happening.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 13, 2012 21:43:20 GMT -5
I say pony up and play real football or jut scrap the program. No point in moving to the pioneer league. That's always been the thing holding us back. Fish or cut bait. And while cutting the program is likelier than playing BCS football, simply because of financial and space constraints, neither are "likely" at all. This is the frustration that is Georgetown football.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Feb 14, 2012 0:02:01 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, the Patriot League crowd is taking this opportunity to have some fun at our expense: Quote Originally Posted by Bogus Megapardus EASTON, PA - Daniel Weiss, president of Lafayette College, today announced that Lehigh University and Colgate University, both members of the Patriot League, will begin awarding athletic aid in football in 2013 . . .
....and that American University will be fielding a football team beginning in 2015. American has agreed to finish the Multi-Sport Field at Georgetown University and will play home games on an alternating basis there. Georgetown has agreed to allow American football to share Georgetown's football television facilities... : ) I think that would be a perfectly fair arrangement. After all, our field hockey team already plays its home games on American's campus...
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 14, 2012 2:51:22 GMT -5
I say pony up and play real football or jut scrap the program. No point in moving to the pioneer league. 1000% agree. If we're not in the Patriot League (or another league with an automatic bid to the NCAA Playoffs), then what's the point?
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Post by fsohoya on Feb 14, 2012 7:43:48 GMT -5
It's true that we can't seem to truly commit to football, but it's hard after our last, very successful season, not to think we are heading in the right direction. It also seems like we should always have had a big advantage in the nonscholarship Patriot League, being the only really national brand in the conference. We should have been able to draw good but academically oriented players from all over the nation, not just regionally. And maybe we were starting to.
I really like DFW's Ivy+1 idea, though I'd be surprised if the Ivies would be willing to do something that could give even the faintest appearance of adding another member. If they did, though, I think it would be terrific for GU, giving us a very attractive schedule every year and bringing us a little closer to what are more our peers than the Patriot schools.
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Post by thebin on Feb 14, 2012 8:50:41 GMT -5
I find DFW's Ivy+1 to be the only attractive path at this point beyond a season or two of staying in the PL non-schollie. How long are the Ivies locked into playing the other PL schools? For Gtown to o commit to such an uncertain future as IAA indy football, is there any way the Iviescan even semi-officially promise us at least 5-6 games a year in 2014 or 2015? ? If we don't get those 5 or 6 games a year consistently, I have no interest in getting crushed by full schollie Bucknell and Lafayette and the occasional Sacred Heart win just to play 2-3 ivies a year with a bye or two in November when everyone else is playing their important conference rivalries.
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Post by tigerhoya3 on Feb 14, 2012 10:51:19 GMT -5
I find DFW's Ivy+1 to be the only attractive path at this point beyond a season or two of staying in the PL non-schollie. How long are the Ivies locked into playing the other PL schools? For Gtown to o commit to such an uncertain future as IAA indy football, is there any way the Iviescan even semi-officially promise us at least 5-6 games a year in 2014 or 2015? ? If we don't get those 5 or 6 games a year consistently, I have no interest in getting crushed by full schollie Bucknell and Lafayette and the occasional Sacred Heart win just to play 2-3 ivies a year with a bye or two in November when everyone else is playing their important conference rivalries. Can't speak for the other Ivys but Princeton football has set its schedule through 2017. They are scheduled to play at least 1 Patriot League team in each of those years: 2012: Lehigh, Georgetown, Lafayette 2013: Lehigh, Georgetown, Lafayette 2014: San Diego, Davidson, Colgate 2015: Lafayette, Lehigh, Colgate 2016: Lafayette, Lehigh, Georgetown 2017: San Diego, Lafayette, Georgetown Except for 2006 and 2010, Princeton has played one game against a team outside the Ivy League or Patriot League since 2004 (2004-2005 vs San Diego; 2007 and 2011 vs Hampton; 2008-2009 vs The Citadel). Each year, Princeton has made a point to use these games to reach alumni living in these areas.
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Post by thebin on Feb 14, 2012 11:10:19 GMT -5
All of the Ivies have large DC alumni presence. Just another reason we are a perfect fit for them.
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Post by 98hoya on Feb 14, 2012 11:30:12 GMT -5
All of the Ivies have large DC alumni presence. Just another reason we are a perfect fit for them. For many reasons, it'd be a great thing if G'town became an associate member of the Ivy League. My sense is that they're not taking applications...
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Post by Lurking Dog on Feb 14, 2012 13:59:01 GMT -5
I say pony up and play real football or jut scrap the program. No point in moving to the pioneer league. 1000% agree. If we're not in the Patriot League (or another league with an automatic bid to the NCAA Playoffs), then what's the point? There might be plenty of reasons why Georgetown shouldn't go to the PFL... --the PFL will already be "full," with 12 members/2 divisions in 2013 --Georgetown isn't willing to scrap aid packages to comply with PFL rules --Unlike Marist, Campbell, et al., Georgetown can't afford air travel (although complying with PFL aid rules would save $ that could be used for travel) ...but lack of a playoff autobid isn't one of them. The PFL is likely to get an automatic bid as part of playoff expansion (probably in 2013). Link Georgetown won't make any moves until this time next year, at the earliest. By that time, the landscape will look different. P.S-- The PFL is "the MAAC with lots of frequent flyer miles"? Really? When was the quality of football in the PFL ever that bad?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 14, 2012 14:16:12 GMT -5
P.S-- The PFL is "the MAAC with lots of frequent flyer miles"? Really? When was the quality of football in the PFL ever that bad? This is a reference to the MAAC's financial aid structure, which mirrors the Pioneer.
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Post by thebin on Feb 14, 2012 15:04:19 GMT -5
All of the Ivies have large DC alumni presence. Just another reason we are a perfect fit for them. For many reasons, it'd be a great thing if G'town became an associate member of the Ivy League. My sense is that they're not taking applications... They are not, we know that. DFW's proposal is that we would be a de-facto associate member. At first glance it seems like a long shot...but then you look at it more closely and why wouldn't they toss us a bunch of games? Good name, perfect location for alumni outreach, respectable IAA but also not scholarship. Presumably the PL schools will go from about .500 vs Ivies to about .900 in a few years. If they don't- proves how silly this move by the PL was. Fordham gives one pause.
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