SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 7, 2012 21:04:31 GMT -5
Speaking of the KNICKS, is anyone here old enough to remember Harthorne Wingo? He was on the 1973 NY Knicks NBA championship team. Some of his teammates might be a bit more memorable. They included: Willis Reed -- HOF Dave Debusscherre -- HOF Bill Bradley -- HOF Walt "Clyde" Frazier -- HOF Earl "the Pearl" Monroe -- HOF Dick Barnett Phil Jackson -- HOF Jerry Lucas -- HOF Henry Bibby Dean Memminger Coached - Red Holzman -- HOF Great list there. Dick Barnett is in the HOF too, a 15 point a game player for 15 seasons. Imagine a team today with eight Hall of Famers on the active roster. Even the Bulls teams of the 1990's won't match that. Great call DFW. Barnett WAS on BOTH the 1970 and 1973 Knick Championship teams. Has a PhD in Education from Fordham Was one of MY personal favorites. And.. he IS in the College Basketball HOF!
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 7, 2012 23:25:13 GMT -5
Speaking of the KNICKS, is anyone here old enough to remember Harthorne Wingo? He was on the 1973 NY Knicks NBA championship team. Some of his teammates might be a bit more memorable. They included: Willis Reed -- HOF Dave Debusscherre -- HOF Bill Bradley -- HOF Walt "Clyde" Frazier -- HOF Earl "the Pearl" Monroe -- HOF Dick Barnett Phil Jackson -- HOF Jerry Lucas -- HOF Henry Bibby Dean Memminger Coached - Red Holzman -- HOF Great list there. Dick Barnett is in the HOF too, a 15 point a game player for 15 seasons. Imagine a team today with eight Hall of Famers on the active roster. Even the Bulls teams of the 1990's won't match that. Luc Longley for HOF!!
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Feb 8, 2012 0:52:46 GMT -5
It was WE WANT WINGO! Speaking of the KNICKS, is anyone here old enough to remember Harthorne Wingo? He was on the 1973 NY Knicks NBA championship team. Some of his teammates might be a bit more memorable. They included: Willis Reed -- HOF Dave Debusscherre -- HOF Bill Bradley -- HOF Walt "Clyde" Frazier -- HOF Earl "the Pearl" Monroe -- HOF Dick Barnett Phil Jackson -- HOF Jerry Lucas -- HOF Henry Bibby Dean Memminger Coached - Red Holzman -- HOF Also on that team? Harthorne Wingo (aka Hawthorne Wingo) The Knicks won a LOT of games that year. At the end of every home game, when the Knicks had a comfortable lead, the entire Garden would start the chant "WINGO WINGO" Wingo was a very popular Knick, a rookie who was the last man on the bench. When WINGO came in, everyone knew that game was over. Red Auerbach had his cigar, Red Holzman had Wingo. Everyone, including Wingo, loved when he entered the game. Upon retiring from basketball, he opened a successful sporting goods store named, of course, Wingo'sAs Casey used to say, "you could look it up!" Actually, given what Hoyainspirit said about the 3 pages this thread has taken up already, I'd say right about now is the time we should all start chanting: WINGO WINGO WINGO WINGO
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Post by Elvado on Feb 8, 2012 8:34:57 GMT -5
Henry Bibby also was the answer to one of the great trivia questions of all time.
Who was only player to win a title in his first year playing in NCAA, NBA and CBA?
good for several beers.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 8, 2012 8:56:30 GMT -5
Loved Barnett's lefty, kick-his-feet-back jumper. Tried copying that for a hot minute on the blacktops. Sadly, that didn't work for me. After the Celtics, the Knicks were my favorite team back then. What an amazing roster. Dean "the dream" Memminger... Thanx for stirring those memories, SirSaxa!
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Post by aristides on Feb 14, 2012 18:59:51 GMT -5
I was surprised to hear JT Jr. essentially echo sentiment #1 of Bando today at the the start of this thread. To recap, at the close of his show on Espn980, JT brought up how there are two student-athletes that sit at the end of the bench for Georgetown and who never get into games. One is black, and one is white. He added that it was always the white guy that the entire student section cheers for to get into the game, but never the black kid. JT said that he has asked himself whether he should be offended by this. He then concluded that it wasn't racism, but just a natural desire to cheer for people that look like you.
I'll admit that when Bando initially posted this thread, I dismissed his remarks as absurd. One player is a walk-on, one player is on a scholarship. That's it, end of story. But now that JT Jr. has said the same thing, it is clear that his post is representative of the feelings of more people than I had realized. What I do not understand is how JT Jr. and others could fail to miss that one player is a scholarship player and one isn't? How could he broadly paint the entire student section as cheering for Caprio because he looks like them? I would think it more likely that 99 out of 100 students are cheering for Caprio because he is a walk-on, than because of race. And if there is a 100th student, shame on him. Bowen, as a scholarship-athlete, will very likely be receiving significant minutes by his 3rd or 4th season, meanwhile Caprio, as a walk-on, never will. I would think and I would hope that that about sums up why Caprio's name is chanted and not Bowen's.
Since I can't argue with JT Jr., I will argue it on the board. I have never cheered for John Caprio, nor do I plan to, but I will defend my right to cheer for any Hoya I so desire to cheer for. That said, other peoples misperceptions/oversensitivity does make it awkward. Oh well.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Feb 14, 2012 19:46:40 GMT -5
I have never cheered for John Caprio, nor do I plan to, but I will defend my right to cheer for any Hoya I so desire to cheer for. Just out of curiosity, is there a reason you refuse to cheer for Caprio? Seems just as unreasonable as only cheering for Caprio.
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Post by miamihoya on Feb 14, 2012 20:22:07 GMT -5
What I do not understand is how JT Jr. and others could fail to miss that one player is a scholarship player and one isn't? How could he broadly paint the entire student section as cheering for Caprio because he looks like them? I would think it more likely that 99 out of 100 students are cheering for Caprio because he is a walk-on, than because of race. And if there is a 100th student, shame on him. Bowen, as a scholarship-athlete, will very likely be receiving significant minutes by his 3rd or 4th season, meanwhile Caprio, as a walk-on, never will. I would think and I would hope that that about sums up why Caprio's name is chanted and not Bowen's. If you think 99 out of 100 students are even aware of the scholarship status of the two players, then you really don't understand what is going on.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Feb 14, 2012 20:24:06 GMT -5
Floyd Mayweather says Hoya fans would cheer more for Caprio if he were Asian...
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 14, 2012 20:47:42 GMT -5
Pops reads Hoyatalk. Cool!
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Post by gahoya on Feb 14, 2012 21:59:57 GMT -5
Aside from him being white (still don't get this one) and a walk-on, people cheer for him because he's having fun out there. When he's playing, he's got the biggest damn smile on his face the entire time, and he (as well as Bowen) tends to put on a show. It's hard not to root for a guy like that. All of his teammates defer to him and let him shoot, and he usually makes something happen.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 14, 2012 23:02:36 GMT -5
What I do not understand is how JT Jr. and others could fail to miss that one player is a scholarship player and one isn't? How could he broadly paint the entire student section as cheering for Caprio because he looks like them? I would think it more likely that 99 out of 100 students are cheering for Caprio because he is a walk-on, than because of race. And if there is a 100th student, shame on him. Bowen, as a scholarship-athlete, will very likely be receiving significant minutes by his 3rd or 4th season, meanwhile Caprio, as a walk-on, never will. I would think and I would hope that that about sums up why Caprio's name is chanted and not Bowen's. If you think 99 out of 100 students are even aware of the scholarship status of the two players, then you really don't understand what is going on. Considering the student attendance rates we've had this year, I think there's actually a pretty good chance most of the people cheering for him know he's a walk-on.
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Post by 1789 on Feb 14, 2012 23:20:42 GMT -5
Taiwan newspapers are going nuts over a New York Knickerbocker who can score because he looks like a Taiwanese citizen. No other reason. If Lin were Indian the subcontinent would be just as ecstatic. JT has a Point worth studying.
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2012 0:01:32 GMT -5
I was surprised to hear JT Jr. essentially echo sentiment #1 of Bando today at the the start of this thread. To recap, at the close of his show on Espn980, JT brought up how there are two student-athletes that sit at the end of the bench for Georgetown and who never get into games. One is black, and one is white. He added that it was always the white guy that the entire student section cheers for to get into the game, but never the black kid. JT said that he has asked himself whether he should be offended by this. He then concluded that it wasn't racism, but just a natural desire to cheer for people that look like you. It's not like this is the first time you've had this dynamic of a white and a black athlete at the end of the bench. I'd have to think it has been pretty common. I remember when the guy on the end of the bench was Lamont Morgan and Danny Kelly and both would get cheers. People did cheer "We want Lamont". The cheers for Danny Kelly were louder, but mostly female. I also remember when the end of the bench was Dean Berry and Brendan Gaughan. Neither were scholarship players at that point. People sincerely cheered for Dean Berry - he was a non-scholarship athlete but the fan base is sophisticated enough to appreciate that he had the skills to deserve to be in there. The cheers for Brendan Gaughan were ironic - when people would rather cheer you as "Rudy" rather than cheer your actual name, they really aren't taking you seriously. How much of the cheering for Caprio is female? Danny Kelly had a large, large female fan base, whereas I don't think female fans gave a rats ass about when Brendan Gaughan came in the game and probably cared more for Dean Berry.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 15, 2012 12:23:37 GMT -5
I disagree. Aaron Bowen has earned non-garbage PT this season, however rare. Sending him into the game with 4+ minutes to spare doesn't signify anything, whereas putting Caprio out there at the end of the game means we just beat you, and beat you so bad we can put in the last guy on the bench. Who happens to be white and somewhat short and Jersey-looking.
Which brings up another equally meritorious concern, the white guy who's in the starting line-up. Is the Luuuuuuuuuuuube chant racist? We bust it out for actions that wouldn't merit an "Otto-matic" chant had they been carried out routinely by Porter. Why the differing reactions by the crowd? Is this the soft bigotry of low basketball expectations?
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Post by kchoya on Feb 15, 2012 12:45:18 GMT -5
I disagree. Aaron Bowen has earned non-garbage PT this season, however rare. Sending him into the game with 4+ minutes to spare doesn't signify anything, whereas putting Caprio out there at the end of the game means we just beat you, and beat you so bad we can put in the last guy on the bench. Who happens to be white and somewhat short and Jersey-looking. Which brings up another equally meritorious concern, the white guy who's in the starting line-up. Is the Luuuuuuuuuuuube chant racist? We bust it out for actions that wouldn't merit an "Otto-matic" chant had they been carried out routinely by Porter. Why the differing reactions by the crowd? Is this the soft bigotry of low basketball expectations? Did you hurt yourself when you made such a big stretch? Lubick has a last name that lends itself to such a chant -- like many other players in all other sports.
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