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Vitale
Feb 2, 2012 17:33:23 GMT -5
Post by wrestlemania on Feb 2, 2012 17:33:23 GMT -5
Your'e dead on; there's too much "E" and not enough"S" in ESPN. Everyone of their color commentators from Vitale to Burke is transformed by the network. They start out pretty good--Burke was at the beginning and so was Dickie V way back when--and then they're transformed into entertainers who just have to be colorful and promote upcoming ESPN progams on the air. The career arc of Jay Bilas, who was once superb and is now just above average, is the best example of this. Part of the problem is exposure -- as good as they may be, Bilas and others like him only have so many rabbits in the hat before they start to wear a little thin. But he and Raftery are still the standard.
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Feb 2, 2012 20:52:36 GMT -5
Post by seaweed on Feb 2, 2012 20:52:36 GMT -5
you guys are still win-drunk, being all nice to Vitale when all he did was make three legit comments in between talking about the superbowl and how the big east is definitely having a down year and that Jim Boeheim is coach of the year unless they want to give it to Brey. not good again dickie
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Feb 2, 2012 22:03:31 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 2, 2012 22:03:31 GMT -5
My favorite is how he'd give it to Boeheim because of how he's coached through the "distractions."
As if he had no role in employing a child molester for thirty years and ignoring any signs something was wrong or helping his players stay academically eligible.
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Feb 2, 2012 22:26:37 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Feb 2, 2012 22:26:37 GMT -5
I didnt hear the game on espn as i was at the game discussing the reffing with the ref but most told me he didnt DUKIE US the whole game and was giving good props to our guys especially he may have said otto could be one the the five best diaper dandys anyone else hear that ?? and about the announcers being prepared. hows about calhouns pregame remarks about our hoyas and theire SIX SENIORS AND JUNIORS BEING TOUGH TO BEAT SUCH EXPERIENCE hmmmm no wonder hes lost it coaching this bunch .. ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED AND UNDERPERORMING TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY yup did the announcers mention THAT at all. just curious
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Feb 3, 2012 0:13:48 GMT -5
Post by prhoya on Feb 3, 2012 0:13:48 GMT -5
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Feb 3, 2012 8:05:06 GMT -5
Post by seaweed on Feb 3, 2012 8:05:06 GMT -5
I didnt hear the game on espn as i was at the game discussing the reffing with the ref but most told me he didnt DUKIE US the whole game and was giving good props to our guys especially he may have said otto could be one the the five best diaper dandys anyone else hear that ?? and about the announcers being prepared. hows about calhouns pregame remarks about our hoyas and theire SIX SENIORS AND JUNIORS BEING TOUGH TO BEAT SUCH EXPERIENCE hmmmm no wonder hes lost it coaching this bunch .. ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED AND UNDERPERORMING TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY yup did the announcers mention THAT at all. just curious Almost on Otto, but he is really just one of the best diaper dandies that nobody has heard of, giving himself a tacit pass for not having hyper him before. And pr is right, boeheim gets COY because its hard to keep all that talent on track with all the distraction. The guy is no friend of ours.
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Feb 3, 2012 9:15:07 GMT -5
Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 3, 2012 9:15:07 GMT -5
I imagine we'll draw him again for the Syracuse game, which is also on a Wednesday.
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Feb 3, 2012 11:51:03 GMT -5
Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 3, 2012 11:51:03 GMT -5
I imagine we'll draw him again for the Syracuse game, which is also on a Wednesday. I'd take that bet. Dickie V will not call our game next Wednesday. Zero chance ;D My guess is Raf and some combination of Bilas, Davis, and McDonough.
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Feb 3, 2012 13:27:26 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Feb 3, 2012 13:27:26 GMT -5
We get the exciting combo of Beth Mowins & Tim Welsh for tomorrow's 11am tip.
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Feb 3, 2012 13:41:57 GMT -5
Post by Filo on Feb 3, 2012 13:41:57 GMT -5
Welsh does a good job -- at least he pays attentions and does somoe analysis.
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Feb 3, 2012 15:20:35 GMT -5
Post by idhoya on Feb 3, 2012 15:20:35 GMT -5
we got the best 10 a.m. has to offer.
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Feb 3, 2012 15:39:55 GMT -5
Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 3, 2012 15:39:55 GMT -5
Welsh does a good job -- at least he pays attentions and does somoe analysis. For an announcer whom I've heard almost always, if not entirely, on ESPNU, I have enjoyed many of his calls.
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Feb 3, 2012 15:52:22 GMT -5
Post by KHoyaNYC on Feb 3, 2012 15:52:22 GMT -5
Welsh is way underrated and underused
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Feb 3, 2012 15:55:02 GMT -5
Post by lancasterhoyafan on Feb 3, 2012 15:55:02 GMT -5
We get the exciting combo of Beth Mowins & Tim Welsh for tomorrow's 11am tip. If I'm not mistaken...The Georgetown/Cuse game is followed by Duke/UNC...No chance of Dukie V.
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Feb 4, 2012 13:19:01 GMT -5
Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 4, 2012 13:19:01 GMT -5
I imagine we'll draw him again for the Syracuse game, which is also on a Wednesday. I'd take that bet. Dickie V will not call our game next Wednesday. Zero chance ;D My guess is Raf and some combination of Bilas, Davis, and McDonough. I had not seen what else was on the schedule. Very happy about this.
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Feb 4, 2012 14:09:32 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Feb 4, 2012 14:09:32 GMT -5
Echo what is said about Tim Welsh--and thought he did a nice job today. He needs to be "released" from having to work with Beth Mowins and be promoted.
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Feb 4, 2012 22:22:59 GMT -5
Post by McBricks on Feb 4, 2012 22:22:59 GMT -5
Is it me or are Doris and Beth the exact same person/voice?
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Feb 6, 2012 10:06:17 GMT -5
Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 6, 2012 10:06:17 GMT -5
The anti-Vitale: Bill RafteryQUOTE:Vitale has retreated utterly, vanishing loudly into grandfatherly digression and howling baroque; Knight is as professional as is possible for someone who so transparently doesn't give a , but is not so much disinterested as he is uninterested. The sour and departed don of college basketball commentators, Billy Packer was, by the end of his long career, an ugly wound bandaged glumly into a suit—his grumpy disconnection from the kids playing the game, the fact that they simply could not or would not see what he saw or do what he wanted them to do, made him unbearable: an intensely knowledgeable but densely disagreeable black hole from which only peevish disdain could escape. This hasn't happened to Raftery.
Improbably and remarkably, Raftery instead reveals himself multiple times a week as somehow unblemished in his enthusiasm for the game and undiminished in his patience with both the mistakes that slow and soften college basketball, and the kids who have made those mistakes in front of him, week after week, for nearly 30 years. More than that, Raftery's decades in college basketball seem somehow both to preserve and restore him—he seems, bafflingly but blessedly, happier to be there with each meaningless game he researches and explains. This is the patience that approaches grace—facing down all that rude and unceasing and inevitable imperfection and still seeing something perfectible, or at least intermittently and haltingly great; something human and messy and still worth admiring, and worth thinking about, and worth talking about until last call, and for maybe one more drink after that.
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Feb 6, 2012 10:51:44 GMT -5
Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 6, 2012 10:51:44 GMT -5
Great article, and I'll link to it this evening. When you watch enough basketball games, you quickly get a sense of analysts that a) do their homework, and b) still care about the game. Vitale cares tremendously about the game but is guilty of winging it where he doesn't know as much about the teams, and that ratchets up the sub-references to Krzyzewski, Jim Valvano, or the use of the word "special", e.g., "He's a special player." (OK, why?) Bob Knight forgot more about basketball than we'll ever know, but if he can lose interest quickly in some games, and is kind like listening to Ted Williams talk baseball after he retired--eminently knowledgeable, but not impressed with what he sees. Len Elmore has insight but he sounds beaten down by the ESPN establishment. Bill Raftery is someone who really enjoys what he does, and knows it's a great opportunity. He's paired with the best pure analyst of his generation, Jay Bilas, who's not afraid to call BS on things and who is one of the more entertaining figures on social media for those who see his Twitter postings. And like Raftery, Bilas moonlights at ESPN amidst a regular job (Bilas is as an attorney in Charlotte) which perhaps gives him a different perspective (and appreciation) that being "Dickie V" for 365 days a year does not allow. Bilas also avoids the tag of being an ACC homer (which always followed Billy Packer around and to some degree has applied to Vitale). In some ways, Sean McDonough plays the role Dick Enberg did when he was alongside McGuire and Packer in the 1970's, with Raftery and Bilas in their respective roles, but Raftery isn't Al McGuire and knows that's OK. There's a great quote on Raftery in Sports Illustrated, where Tom Pecora asks: "I tell guys in the business all the time, 'Would you rather be Rupp or Raft? You can win almost 900 games and be a jerk or you can be the best human being and walk away a winner." sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/the_bonus/03/10/raftery/index.html#ixzz1lcKoh4CO
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Feb 6, 2012 11:00:37 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Feb 6, 2012 11:00:37 GMT -5
Not sure who we're getting yet. Here's what ESPN lists (from 2/3/12):
7:00pm - ESPN or ESPN2 No. 14 Georgetown at No. 2 Syracuse or No. 8 Kansas at No. 6 Baylor Announcers TBD
7:00 ESPNU Cincinnati at St. John’s Adam Amin & LaPhonso Ellis
9:00 - ESPN No. 5 Duke at No. 6 North Carolina Dan Shulman, Jay Bilas & Erin Andrews
9:00 - ESPN2 Seton Hall at Rutgers Bob Wischusen & Dereck Whittenburg
9:00 - ESPNU Notre Dame at West Virginia Dave Pasch & Bill Raftery
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